Bad call by officials.

[eits]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
To clarify that the horse collar rule has nothing to do with this.

"The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades."

From wikipedia. The rule (and nothing I've read anywhere) mentions anything about hair.

but that rule does not require the grabbing of an opponents shoulder pads anymore, if you grab his jersey, by that area, its illegal as well.

as happened in the NOLA game to reggie bush.

i think you're wrong.

i think i watched the NOLA game today where the announcers SPECIFICALLY talked about the jersey grabbing.

wtf is nola? just say saints or something... it's either no or saints.

anyways, the rule is that you can't grab the jersey or horsecollar and immediately pull the player down. i'm pretty sure (as it was explained on the fox nfl postgame show) that if you grab the jersey and THEN grab the horsecollar it's legal because you're not pulling down immediately.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
To clarify that the horse collar rule has nothing to do with this.

"The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades."

From wikipedia. The rule (and nothing I've read anywhere) mentions anything about hair.

but that rule does not require the grabbing of an opponents shoulder pads anymore, if you grab his jersey, by that area, its illegal as well.

as happened in the NOLA game to reggie bush.

Wrong. When the horse-collar rule was enacted, you had to drag them down by the INSIDES of the shoulder pads. Now that rule applies to the INSIDES of the jersey as well. You can still pull on the oustide of the jersey to pull them backwards...or in any other way as well.

i never said he pulled the outside, i was referring to the AREA where the jersey is OPEN.

and horsecollar tackles refer to the DOWNWARD motion, thus the tackle was DOWNWARD on the hair, not backwards, and thus illegal.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
To clarify that the horse collar rule has nothing to do with this.

"The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades."

From wikipedia. The rule (and nothing I've read anywhere) mentions anything about hair.

but that rule does not require the grabbing of an opponents shoulder pads anymore, if you grab his jersey, by that area, its illegal as well.

as happened in the NOLA game to reggie bush.

Wrong. When the horse-collar rule was enacted, you had to drag them down by the INSIDES of the shoulder pads. Now that rule applies to the INSIDES of the jersey as well. You can still pull on the oustide of the jersey to pull them backwards...or in any other way as well.

i never said he pulled the outside, i was referring to the AREA where the jersey is OPEN.

and horsecollar tackles refer to the DOWNWARD motion, thus the tackle was DOWNWARD on the hair, not backwards, and thus illegal.

It has nothing to do with downward...you can grab somebody's shoulders and yank them downward and backwards and it's legal. You CANNOT however grab the INSIDE of the shoulder-pads or (since this year) get your hand INSIDE of the jersey to pull them down either. It has nothing to do with downward motion.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
To clarify that the horse collar rule has nothing to do with this.

"The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades."

From wikipedia. The rule (and nothing I've read anywhere) mentions anything about hair.

but that rule does not require the grabbing of an opponents shoulder pads anymore, if you grab his jersey, by that area, its illegal as well.

as happened in the NOLA game to reggie bush.

Wrong. When the horse-collar rule was enacted, you had to drag them down by the INSIDES of the shoulder pads. Now that rule applies to the INSIDES of the jersey as well. You can still pull on the oustide of the jersey to pull them backwards...or in any other way as well.

i never said he pulled the outside, i was referring to the AREA where the jersey is OPEN.

and horsecollar tackles refer to the DOWNWARD motion, thus the tackle was DOWNWARD on the hair, not backwards, and thus illegal.

It has nothing to do with downward...you can grab somebody's shoulders and yank them downward and backwards and it's legal. You CANNOT however grab the INSIDE of the shoulder-pads or (since this year) get your hand INSIDE of the jersey to pull them down either. It has nothing to do with downward motion.

it was illegal, thats all, to bad he didnt get hurt, then i woulda been happy.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
it was illegal, thats all, to bad he didnt get hurt, then i woulda been happy.

But it wasn't illegal. Notice they didn't call a horse-collar...but an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
To clarify that the horse collar rule has nothing to do with this.

"The horse-collar tackle is an American football tackle in which a defender grabs the back inside of an opponent's shoulder pads and yanks the ball-carrier downwards, a technique which has been used for decades."

From wikipedia. The rule (and nothing I've read anywhere) mentions anything about hair.

but that rule does not require the grabbing of an opponents shoulder pads anymore, if you grab his jersey, by that area, its illegal as well.

as happened in the NOLA game to reggie bush.

i think you're wrong.

i think i watched the NOLA game today where the announcers SPECIFICALLY talked about the jersey grabbing.

wtf is nola? just say saints or something... it's either no or saints.

anyways, the rule is that you can't grab the jersey or horsecollar and immediately pull the player down. i'm pretty sure (as it was explained on the fox nfl postgame show) that if you grab the jersey and THEN grab the horsecollar it's legal because you're not pulling down immediately.

You don't know what NOLA is? Ban.

 

[nycxandy]

It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

And that's what I'm sort of wondering...sportscenter said it was a penalty for grabbing his hair, but I didn't see a flag thrown until later and was wondering if he was still pulling on it AFTER he went out of bounds...which should be a penalty.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

i did, and no where did anyone tell me it was NOT called for horsecollar, i did not know the unsportsmanlike/unneccessary differing.

 

[KLin]

Damnit why couldn't have polamalu scored?!?!? He's on my FF team!

/offtopic post

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

i did, and no where did anyone tell me it was NOT called for horsecollar, i did not know the unsportsmanlike/unneccessary differing.

Really?

The announcers in-game originally said for the hair pull, but a play later said the penatly was for taunting (unsportsmanlike) and that the hair pull was not a penalty.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

i did, and no where did anyone tell me it was NOT called for horsecollar, i did not know the unsportsmanlike/unneccessary differing.

Really?

The announcers in-game originally said for the hair pull, but a play later said the penatly was for taunting (unsportsmanlike) and that the hair pull was not a penalty.

Owned. :laugh:

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=261015023

He ran down Troy Polamalu on a 49-yard interception return in the third quarter by grabbing the All-Pro safety by his long hair. Johnson whipped Polamalu to the ground out of bounds along the Chiefs' sideline, drawing a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and touching off a brief skirmish.

"The dude had hair, what was I going to do?" said Johnson, whose neck was injured last week by Arizona defensive back Antrel Rolle's horsecollar tackle. "That was the only thing I could get my hands on."

The NFL declared that the hair is part of the jersey and is legal to grab on and make a tackle. Why was this a penalty? Not sure if it was because he was out of bounds, but from what I've read and seen on ESPN it drew a flag because he tackled him by the hair.

He got the penalty for pulling him up by the hair, which you cannot do.

Yes you can.

What I meant was he got the penalty for pulling him up by the hair AFTER the play was over.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=261015023

He ran down Troy Polamalu on a 49-yard interception return in the third quarter by grabbing the All-Pro safety by his long hair. Johnson whipped Polamalu to the ground out of bounds along the Chiefs' sideline, drawing a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and touching off a brief skirmish.

"The dude had hair, what was I going to do?" said Johnson, whose neck was injured last week by Arizona defensive back Antrel Rolle's horsecollar tackle. "That was the only thing I could get my hands on."

The NFL declared that the hair is part of the jersey and is legal to grab on and make a tackle. Why was this a penalty? Not sure if it was because he was out of bounds, but from what I've read and seen on ESPN it drew a flag because he tackled him by the hair.

He got the penalty for pulling him up by the hair, which you cannot do.

Yes you can.

What I meant was he got the penalty for pulling him up by the hair AFTER the play was over.

If that was the call, then it was a bad call.

And, I don't understand the whole horse collar rule. It got enacted because one person got hurt during such a tackle even though people have been doing it for decades.

So, if you're running behind a ball carrier you must either be close enough to grab their waist or lunge at their feet hoping to catch a foot and bring them down. What a pussifacation of the NFL.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

i did, and no where did anyone tell me it was NOT called for horsecollar, i did not know the unsportsmanlike/unneccessary differing.

Really?

The announcers in-game originally said for the hair pull, but a play later said the penatly was for taunting (unsportsmanlike) and that the hair pull was not a penalty.

:laugh: Not to mention the OP which has been quoted 50232 times in this thread..

He ran down Troy Polamalu on a 49-yard interception return in the third quarter by grabbing the All-Pro safety by his long hair. Johnson whipped Polamalu to the ground out of bounds along the Chiefs' sideline, drawing a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and touching off a brief skirmish.

Blanconino > MIKEMIKE

/thread

Actually it should've been over at the 3rd reply with Chuckywang's post..

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: nycxandy
It wasn't called for horsecollar'ing. If it was, it would've been an unnecessary roughness penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct.

well then, someone shoulda told me that to begin with.

Maybe you should've read the thread?

i did, and no where did anyone tell me it was NOT called for horsecollar, i did not know the unsportsmanlike/unneccessary differing.

Really?

The announcers in-game originally said for the hair pull, but a play later said the penatly was for taunting (unsportsmanlike) and that the hair pull was not a penalty.

Owned. :laugh:

okay, skipped over that part.