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Baby stolen from slain mom believed found

BBond

Diamond Member
What is wrong with these people??? Evil incarnate.

Baby stolen from slain mom believed found

The Associated Press
Updated: 8:48 p.m. ET Dec. 17, 2004

SKIDMORE, Mo. - A 36-year-old Melvern, Kan., woman was charged Friday in the death of a pregnant northwest Missouri woman Thursday whose baby was removed from her womb.

U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said Lisa M. Montgomery, 36, was charged with the federal crime of kidnapping resulting in death. Graves said Montgomery could face life in prison or the death penalty if convicted.

Twenty-three-year-old Bobbi Stinnett of Skidmore was eight months pregnant when her body was found Thursday in her home, her fetus surgically removed. Paramedics tried to revive her, but she was pronounced dead at a hospital.

The baby was found in good health Friday, bringing relief to authorities who had spent the last day frantically searching for the baby girl. A tip resulting from an Amber Alert led officials to a home in Kansas where a baby was found. She was taken to a hospital in Topeka, Kan., authorities said.

Graves said Montgomery met Stinnett ? who bred rat terrier dogs ? through an Internet message board. He said that message board led officials to Montgomery's home about 30 miles southwest of Topeka.

Earlier, Sheriff Ben Espey said he believed Stinnett was strangled and resisted the attack, and authorities hoped that strands of hair found in her hands would help identify the killer. They were awaiting DNA testing to confirm the newborn is Stinnett?s child, a factory worker.

?The autopsy is going to show us there was some blond hair probably found in her hands,? the sheriff said. ?That would also help us with the DNA.?

Authorities had been questioning a man and a woman who were in the same place as where the baby was found in eastern Kansas. A red Honda hatchback matching a description offered earlier by police was in the driveway of the home. It was unclear whether the man would be charged.

Doctors said the baby could have suffered a variety of traumas during the assault, including a lack of oxygen, but could likely survive if treated.

?Ninety-five percent are going to do pretty well given a modest amount of medical attention,? said Dr. Perry Clark, medical director of the neonatal intensive care unit at The University of Kansas Hospital.

Espey said there was no indication of forced entry into Stinnett?s small white home in this community of about 500 in the northwest corner of Missouri.

A neighbor, Bill Dragoo, said Stinnett and her husband raised dogs and ?didn?t bother anybody. It blows my mind that this happened. She was such a shy person. They didn?t deserve this.?

Delay in Amber Alert

Espey was frustrated that it took hours for a statewide Amber Alert to be issued. The mother was found around 3:30 p.m., and the Amber Alert didn?t appear until nine hours later.

?We had a live baby, and I thought that should qualify as an Amber Alert,? he said. ?The information I was getting was that we didn?t have enough information such as hair color, eye color, skin complexion, size and weight.?

Stinnett, married for little more than a year and expecting her first child, worked at an engine factory in nearby Maryville. Her husband was at work at the time she was killed, authorities said.

Several pregnant women have been killed in recent years by attackers who then removed their fetuses, in some cases to pass the children off as their own.

In the most recent case, a 21-year-old woman was shot to death in Oklahoma in December 2003, allegedly by another woman who pretended the 6-month-old fetus was her child. The fetus died and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

 
The Baby is alive.

What a horror this is.

This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

You must learn to be happy with things like this, suck it up this is what America wants and is getting.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The Baby is alive.

What a horror this is.

This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

You must learn to be happy with things like this, suck it up this is what America wants and is getting.

WTF is this troll talking about?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The Baby is alive.

What a horror this is.

This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

You must learn to be happy with things like this, suck it up this is what America wants and is getting.
Well that was unexpected.

Uh...McOwen, you okay? The baby is dead, and this has nothing to do with politics. People are still people, and if nothing else humanity has become kinder as the decades roll on - not the reverse. I've told you that you've been irrational in the past, but this is a new plateau. Take care of yourself.
 
I would like an explanation from someone telling me why this is any different from any other murder. After all, the 'fetus' wasn't a person until the woman extracted it, right? So it shouldn't even be a consideration in this case except for possibly as motive. Basically, what makes this 'evil incarnate' and someone killing any other woman less evil?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I would like an explanation from someone telling me why this is any different from any other murder. After all, the 'fetus' wasn't a person until the woman extracted it, right? So it shouldn't even be a consideration in this case except for possibly as motive. Basically, what makes this 'evil incarnate' and someone killing any other woman less evil?


If you cant figure this out on your own.....
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I would like an explanation from someone telling me why this is any different from any other murder. After all, the 'fetus' wasn't a person until the woman extracted it, right? So it shouldn't even be a consideration in this case except for possibly as motive. Basically, what makes this 'evil incarnate' and someone killing any other woman less evil?


If you cant figure this out on your own.....
I'm looking for some sort of legal reasoning, since those people crying foul the most are typically the most vocal in opposition to awarding any sort of status to a fetus.
 
cyclo, the murder act itself is no more or less evil than any other
the motive however is clearly fsuked up and in our justice system the motive is a big determinant in punishing crime
stop reaching for your political baits, whether you're prolife or prochoice this event was horrible
 
Originally posted by: illustri
cyclo, the murder act itself is no more or less evil than any other
the motive however is clearly fsuked up and in our justice system the motive is a big determinant in punishing crime
stop reaching for your political baits, whether you're prolife or prochoice this event was horrible
I'm not reaching for anything except a rational explanation from someone as to why this event was more horrible than any other murder. I'm simply trying to determine that if you truly consider the fetus to have absolutely no legal or moral standing, why does this crime hold any special significance? Would it receive the same press as if a woman had been killed and her kidneys stolen? You'll here nothing from me saying this event isn't horrible - it certainly is that. I'm just asking for someone to think for a change, which may be a bit much apparently. Please prove me wrong.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: illustri
cyclo, the murder act itself is no more or less evil than any other
the motive however is clearly fsuked up and in our justice system the motive is a big determinant in punishing crime
stop reaching for your political baits, whether you're prolife or prochoice this event was horrible
I'm not reaching for anything except a rational explanation from someone as to why this event was more horrible than any other murder. I'm simply trying to determine that if you truly consider the fetus to have absolutely no legal or moral standing, why does this crime hold any special significance? Would it receive the same press as if a woman had been killed and her kidneys stolen? You'll here nothing from me saying this event isn't horrible - it certainly is that. I'm just asking for someone to think for a change, which may be a bit much apparently. Please prove me wrong.


Murdering someone to steal a baby. That is far more horrific than just plain murder.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Murdering someone to steal a baby. That is far more horrific than just plain murder.
I agree 100%. I'm trying to get justification from one of the pro-choicers as to why this is different than murdering to steal a kidney. After all, the primary justification for denying fetal rights is that the fetus is just a part of the mother's body, no different from a kidney.

 
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Um, you okay? The baby is dead, and this has nothing to do with politics. People are still people, and if nothing else humanity has become kinder as the decades roll on - not the reverse. I've told you that you've been irrational in the past, but this is a new plateau. Take care of yourself.

No, the Baby IS alive.
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
No, the Baby IS alive.
:Q

My mistake. I don't know why I wrote that when I've read and discussed this article a half-dozen times today.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The Baby is alive.

What a horror this is.

This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

You must learn to be happy with things like this, suck it up this is what America wants and is getting.
Well that was unexpected.

Uh...McOwen, you okay? <false>The baby is dead</false>, and this has nothing to do with politics. People are still people, and if nothing else humanity has become kinder as the decades roll on - not the reverse. I've told you that you've been irrational in the past, but this is a new plateau. Take care of yourself.

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
The Baby is alive.

What a horror this is.

This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

You must learn to be happy with things like this, suck it up this is what America wants and is getting.

leave it to someone as nuts as mcowen to turn a thread about this into a political one. :roll:
 
Ridiculous political crap aside, this is the part of this story that gets me:

According to court documents, Montgomery traveled to Topeka, about 30 miles north of Melvern, on Thursday to go shopping. She called her husband from there, saying she had gone into labor and given birth.

Kevin Montgomery and the couple's two children met Lisa and the newborn in the parking lot of a fast-food restaurant in Topeka and drove home, according to an affidavit.

What??? And the husband knew nothing? He thought this was all totally normal? How in the hell does this conversation go?

Wife: "Hi honey. Oh yea, I drove to Topeka, and wouldn't you know it, I went into labor!"

Husband: "Are you OK? Well, that's great, I'll be there as soon as I can."

Wife: "Nah, you don't worry about it. Let me finish up here, and you just grab the kids and meet me in front of the Burger King on Route 19."

 
Murder is 'only' murder. But this was motivated by something else that is almost MORE sinister.

Then again, I support hate crime legislation, too.
 
cyclo you really need an explanation why the press covers a sensational story? do you really think if someone did murder her for a kidney it wouldn't recieve the same attention? NEITHER such thing takes place regularly in the states

its very low that you would use this crap to bait your prolife views, and quite insulting when you say "think" you only mean "think my way"
 
Originally posted by: illustri
cyclo you really need an explanation why the press covers a sensational story? do you really think if someone did murder her for a kidney it wouldn't recieve the same attention? NEITHER such thing takes place regularly in the states

its very low that you would use this crap to bait your prolife views, and quite insulting when you say "think" you only mean "think my way"
I'm not interested in what the press thinks or has to say. I'm interested in what YOU think. I don't mean anything other than 'think' when I say think. If you're that worried that there's a discontinuity in your position that you can't even attempt to defend it, then maybe you should reevaluate that position. If you can defend it, please do so.
 
Again...

Like I said in the Peterson thread, the woman was killed while she was carrying a fetus. Therefore, its only logical to assume that she wanted the fetus to come to term. Unless you can wake the dead and ask them yourself.

Anyway, giving legal status in this case and in the Peterson case is perfectly logical and legal. No hypocrisy. Its simply upholding the CHOICE of the mother to be.
 
This is more fallout fom the RRR FLL era. Things like this will only continue to get worse.

WTF does this thread have to do with politics and your obsession with Bush administration ?
Wow. Just wow.


:frown:
 
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