Babe threads.

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: yllus
It's probably about time the administration of this forum realize that the demographic for this forum is what it is - that's not going to change. Neither is their behaviour on the Internet. Instead of trying to enforce rules that just aren't going to take root, go with the flow and try building the population of these forums instead of handing out bans and threats. It's incredibly pointless and damaging to the overall goal - growth.

Edit: This pretty much nails it:

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
The problem is that the rules on this forum don't reflect the members, they reflect the whims of Derek and his cronies and the imaginary users they want to attract.

Stop trying to moderate the forum you wish you had and get to work on moderating the forum you've actually got. Everyone will be much happier for it.

My big questing is if Derek is paid to run the forums and this is his call, why isn't he chiming in?

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: yllus
It's probably about time the administration of this forum realize that the demographic for this forum is what it is - that's not going to change. Neither is their behaviour on the Internet. Instead of trying to enforce rules that just aren't going to take root, go with the flow and try building the population of these forums instead of handing out bans and threats. It's incredibly pointless and damaging to the overall goal - growth.

Edit: This pretty much nails it:

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
The problem is that the rules on this forum don't reflect the members, they reflect the whims of Derek and his cronies and the imaginary users they want to attract.

Stop trying to moderate the forum you wish you had and get to work on moderating the forum you've actually got. Everyone will be much happier for it.

My big questing is if Derek is paid to run the forums and this is his call, why isn't he chiming in?

Because it's easier and more cost effective to leave unpaid mods to wade thru yet another shiat storm of member discontent and complaint?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: yllus
It's probably about time the administration of this forum realize that the demographic for this forum is what it is - that's not going to change. Neither is their behaviour on the Internet. Instead of trying to enforce rules that just aren't going to take root, go with the flow and try building the population of these forums instead of handing out bans and threats. It's incredibly pointless and damaging to the overall goal - growth.

There are MANY reasons for the slow down in growth of these forums, the number one factor being that over the years a lot of online IT communities have formed.

As to bans.. when I resigned as a Mod and rejected Elite member status it was my observation that changing fedral tax code was probably an easier task than handing somebody a vacation from these forums. Lengthy communication and discussions on several levels before anybody gets told to take a hike around here.

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

There is only one reason that this forum, with its early history of being one of the largest technology forums on the Internet, has stagnated where others have leapfrogged it in population and activity: Bad/absent management. Aside from the us versus them attitude prevalent here that reminds me of the upper management versus union worker conflict in the auto industry, it's incredible to me that this place has not been reinvested into for years. Growth has paid the price.

Massive discussion upon bans is a key indicator to one of the major problems here. As Amused has said, why the hell are people here being treated like children? Even if the population does mostly fall into the 18-25 age segment, we're not here to be nannied. We're here to be silly, sarcastic, witty and occasionally cruel. The Betty Crocker forums are a good fit for the moderating ideal that everyone will get along and not a bad word will ever be said. This is a tech forum and no amount of moderation will tame the basic spirit of the people who register to post here. Realize what's staring you in the face already.

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My big questing is if Derek is paid to run the forums and this is his call, why isn't he chiming in?

He's busy with many other things than just running the forums and has had health problems as of late to boot. I may fault him for being overidealistic on what he wants to accomplish here, but his time management likely isn't at fault.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: yllus
It's probably about time the administration of this forum realize that the demographic for this forum is what it is - that's not going to change. Neither is their behaviour on the Internet. Instead of trying to enforce rules that just aren't going to take root, go with the flow and try building the population of these forums instead of handing out bans and threats. It's incredibly pointless and damaging to the overall goal - growth.

There are MANY reasons for the slow down in growth of these forums, the number one factor being that over the years a lot of online IT communities have formed.

As to bans.. when I resigned as a Mod and rejected Elite member status it was my observation that changing fedral tax code was probably an easier task than handing somebody a vacation from these forums. Lengthy communication and discussions on several levels before anybody gets told to take a hike around here.

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

There is only one reason that this forum, with its early history of being one of the largest technology forums on the Internet, has stagnated where others have leapfrogged it in population and activity: Bad/absent management. Aside from the us versus them attitude prevalent here that reminds me of the upper management versus union worker conflict in the auto industry, it's incredible to me that this place has not been reinvested into for years. Growth has paid the price.

Massive discussion upon bans is a key indicator to one of the major problems here. As Amused has said, why the hell are people here being treated like children? Even if the population does mostly fall into the 18-25 age segment, we're not here to be nannied. We're here to be silly, sarcastic, witty and occasionally cruel. The Betty Crocker forums are a good fit for the moderating ideal that everyone will get along and not a bad word will ever be said. This is a tech forum and no amount of moderation will tame the basic spirit of the people who register to post here. Realize what's staring you in the face already.

Originally posted by: rudeguy
My big questing is if Derek is paid to run the forums and this is his call, why isn't he chiming in?

He's busy with many other things than just running the forums and has had health problems as of late to boot. I may fault him for being overidealistic on what he wants to accomplish here, but his time management likely isn't at fault.

When you choose to endorse and support a community culture that's overall tone is one of sarcastic humor, you've formed
a specialized community... you are going to attract primarily only those who enjoy such interactions. It's like mainstream porn
sites have bigger membership bases then fetish sites.

Sarcasm is,imho seductive in that it requires intelligence to pull off well but overtime it becomes like a slow
poison to the soul because at it's essence sarcasm is indirectly expressed anger. I can't speak for anybody but
myself here but I have enough,work,worry and fear in my own daily life without adding more to it. This place intially
looks like fun,particularly if you're sharp witted but over time.. to me anyway,it becomes depressing.

Derek is a good guy on a personal level but he is charged with being the liason between the membership and the unpaid
moderator crew.. it is his job. I find it interesting that unpaid moderators are told that if they can't handle the job or don't like dealing with an endless sea of complaints that they can leave.. but the person who's actually paid to do the same thing is not held to the same standards.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

All I hear in this thread is a bunch of wining and criticizing. Mods are here to enforce the rules, not make them up. Understand that before you start flaming them.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

The complete and utterly mindblowing hypocrisy of this statement coming from you and your SO is simply amazing. You two have made ATOT history for some of the most rude and demeaning comments and insults on here, both as mods and posters.

I see them as funny and as not a problem. Hell it was one of the things I LIKED about Red. But to point fingers while being part of the very problem you claim exists just amazes me.

It's time to face the fact that the forums have become less interesting with every new change. Why would it be so hard to let it go back to what it was just 5 years ago?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
All I hear in this thread is a bunch of wining and criticizing. Mods are here to enforce the rules, not make them up. Understand that before you start flaming them.

I'm not flaming the mods. I'm flaming the rules and the way they are enforced. I'm flaming the splitting of the OT forums.

About the only flame I have for the mods is how some of them treat people when enforcing the rules.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Kind of sad that swearing, trolling, personal attacks and other stuff is tolerated and if you post a babe thread you get put on vacation. Is the forum this desperate for members? Banned members are allowed back to continue their asshattery, hardly anybody gets put on vacation/banned anymore due to more offensive violations than posting babe threads.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

The complete and utterly mindblowing hypocrisy of this statement coming from you and your SO is simply amazing. You two have made ATOT history for some of the most rude and demeaning comments and insults on here, both as mods and posters.

I see them as funny and as not a problem. Hell it was one of the things I LIKED about Red. But to point fingers while being part of the very problem you claim exists just amazes me.

It's time to face the fact that the forums have become less interesting with every new change. Why would it be so hard to let it go back to what it was just 5 years ago?

Because I'm no longer part of any "problem" here, I quit as a MOD and rejected elite member status. I value my membership here about as much as I value toliet paper
when I'm done wiping my ass with it. Actually I probably value the TP more as it's at least bio-degradable.

It's not my job to care what happens here or to try to influence or change anything. It's not my problem.. you wanted change, you got change,
choke on it.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
All I hear in this thread is a bunch of wining and criticizing. Mods are here to enforce the rules, not make them up. Understand that before you start flaming them.

Did you read the thread? There are a lot of us who understand the Mods situations and are not criticizing them. We are discussing the rule, the logic behind it and the failure or lack of such logic.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
choke on it.

Do you, often?

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Kind of sad that swearing, trolling, personal attacks and other stuff is tolerated and if you post a babe thread you get put on vacation. Is the forum this desperate for members? Banned members are allowed back to continue their asshattery, hardly anybody gets put on vacation/banned anymore due to more offensive violations than posting babe threads.

Hey now. I am one of those members that has been allowed back to continue my asshattery. But then again I have since been vacationed for neffing (they called it spamming) and posting a NSFW link (a picture of a fully clothed girl, cooking something. She was showing cleavage.). I didn't protest my bans, and fully understood that the mods that banned me made a judgment call. Vacations are part of membership here if you are going to have any fun at all.

I am not pitching a bitch for my own agenda. I am very used to being banned and don't consider it a big deal if i am. I doubt the majority of members feel the same way though. That also goes back to the point I made that if members are used to not being able to post here, they will find other places they can.

They should just put links to TFNN and offtopic.com in the OP.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

The complete and utterly mindblowing hypocrisy of this statement coming from you and your SO is simply amazing. You two have made ATOT history for some of the most rude and demeaning comments and insults on here, both as mods and posters.

I see them as funny and as not a problem. Hell it was one of the things I LIKED about Red. But to point fingers while being part of the very problem you claim exists just amazes me.

It's time to face the fact that the forums have become less interesting with every new change. Why would it be so hard to let it go back to what it was just 5 years ago?

Because I'm no longer part of any "problem" here, I quit as a MOD and rejected elite member status. I value my membership here about as much as I value toliet paper
when I'm done wiping my ass with it. Actually I probably value the TP more as it's at least bio-degradable.

It's not my job to care what happens here or to try to influence or change anything. It's not my problem.. you wanted change, you got change,
choke on it.

I didn't ask for the change and I'm choking on it as much as you.

I just don't understand why you are posting out of both sides of your mouth in this thread. In one post, you seem to defend the new rules and changes, in the other, you seem to hate them.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

The complete and utterly mindblowing hypocrisy of this statement coming from you and your SO is simply amazing. You two have made ATOT history for some of the most rude and demeaning comments and insults on here, both as mods and posters.

I see them as funny and as not a problem. Hell it was one of the things I LIKED about Red. But to point fingers while being part of the very problem you claim exists just amazes me.

It's time to face the fact that the forums have become less interesting with every new change. Why would it be so hard to let it go back to what it was just 5 years ago?

Because I'm no longer part of any "problem" here, I quit as a MOD and rejected elite member status. I value my membership here about as much as I value toliet paper
when I'm done wiping my ass with it. Actually I probably value the TP more as it's at least bio-degradable.

It's not my job to care what happens here or to try to influence or change anything. It's not my problem.. you wanted change, you got change,
choke on it.

I didn't ask for the change and I'm choking on it as much as you.

I just don't understand why you are posting out of both sides of your mouth in this thread. In one post, you seem to defend the new rules and changes, in the other, you seem to hate them.

What I'm "defending" is the crew of amazingly bright,dedicated people who run this place.
The Mods here take more crap than mods on any other forum I frequent and I'm a regular
at several big sites,including fee based subscription sites.

You are not privvy to the behind the curtain discussions here and have no idea how far people here
bend overbackwards to make sure they're being fair, not being biased etc. What the mods here do is
imho unending and goes largely unnotoced and unappreciated.

Btw, what's quite interesting to me is that fee based pay to play sites... admin tolerance
for abuses of any sort is amazingly LOW. You follow the rules and the tone the site wishes
to project or you are shown the door...with no refund.

You don't like a rule and you're openly protesting? great that is your right but to rag on unpaid mods
for not getting in Derek's face defending people's rights to post pics and use bandwidth to utter things like
"Look at the tits on her" or ""Ï'd DHITB" is really unfair. It's been made quite clear to the staff here that
they do things Derek's way or they can and will be shown the door,after all they can easily hoodwink...err recuit
another 100 people to work for free.

 

[DrPizza]

This issue is being discussed in depth by the moderators.

 

[KK]

I think all the mods should quit in protest and let everything fall back on derek and anand,

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: KK
I think all the mods should quit in protest and let everything fall back on derek and anand,

I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. If not, this place would fall...

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: KK
I think all the mods should quit in protest and let everything fall back on derek and anand,

I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. If not, this place would fall...

Every empire comes to an eventual end.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: KK
I think all the mods should quit in protest and let everything fall back on derek and anand,

I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. If not, this place would fall...

Every empire comes to an eventual end.

Yeah..that's definitely the answer here right?

 

[Kelemvor]

Technically posting a "Xxx is Hot, I'd Hit It" isn't really about Love and it sure isn't going to turn into a Relationship. I'd think OT would be more appropriate place for those and leave L&R for the serious people. I can see the point of not having babe pictures at work but you can't embed a picture directly into a post, you have to click the link to see it so people at work can just not click the link...

But I don't really care either way.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: KK
I think all the mods should quit in protest and let everything fall back on derek and anand,

I'm going to assume that was sarcasm. If not, this place would fall...

Every empire comes to an eventual end.

Yeah..that's definitely the answer here right?

Perhaps. And does it really confuse you that much?

ANARCHY BABY!

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor
Technically posting a "Xxx is Hot, I'd Hit It" isn't really about Love and it sure isn't going to turn into a Relationship. I'd think OT would be more appropriate place for those and leave L&R for the serious people. I can see the point of not having babe pictures at work but you can't embed a picture directly into a post, you have to click the link to see it so people at work can just not click the link...

But I don't really care either way.

they want to hide it there in a lesser trafficked forum. This is all about ad revenue IMHO. OT gets the most clicks, therefore they want it to be family friendly.


It's just like Giuliani cleaning up Times Square, and it will likely fail similarly.

 

[sash1]

i would also like to say: the women of AT have spoken - i know yes is dominating the poll, but my main target was the women of AT, and amberclad, dawn, mosh and eakers all said we're NOT a hostile and sexist environment

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: cliftonite


What do you base this on? New rules are much better and the place is much more civil.

You must not have participated much just a few years ago. At one time OT was hard to keep up with it was so fast. There was as much activity in the middle of the night back then as there is during prime time today. The number of posts per day in OT is mere fraction of what it was 5 years ago. At what cost is it more civil? How long would an adult want to hang out in a day care and be forced to abide by absurdly childish rules?

Sorry, but I remember the ATOT of five years ago, and like I said, it was bit more wild BUT it was a HELL of a lot more intelligent, engaging, exciting and FAR more active.

The new rules are insanely childish and the forum splits make posting an OT topic so it gets the most number of views and thus responses a pain in the ass and not worth it.

YOU may like the new rules, but obviously the silent majority do not, and have voted with their feet.

The squeeky wheels like you may be the loudest, but they are most often the minority. The greatly diminished activity level of OT proves this.

cliftonite: He is basically telling you that since you are not an ADD post count attention whore, you can "Fsck Off and Die" just like his sig indicates.

Then he goes on to admit the forum, or OT in particular, was

"At one time OT was hard to keep up with it was so fast. There was as much activity in the middle of the night back then as there is during prime time today."

Which is exactly why it was a moderator nightmare. It's obvious he has no solutions to this moderator problem.

Then this little gem, which is really what he's all about

"At what cost is it more civil? How long would an adult want to hang out in a day care and be forced to abide by absurdly childish rules?"

which is like saying adults don't have to be civil, they can just moderate themselves and stuff and don't need to abide by any rules. Yea, right. So are you admiting you are acting childish and like that behaviour here, then?

Then he goes on to state:

"Sorry, but I remember the ATOT of five years ago, and like I said, it was bit more wild BUT it was a HELL of a lot more intelligent, engaging, exciting and FAR more active."

Oh really? That must have been during the crazy wild west time when I thought it was not even worth my time to sign up here because of all the dipshit retards posting stupid spam posts non stop just to boost their meaningless post counts for a LOL good time. I finally decided to sign up here because of exactly the direction the MODs were taking the forums in, not vice versa. So your juvenile attempt at rationalization for turning OT and the rest of the forums back into a childish and unmanagable garbage catchall that can't be moderated properly fails utterly.

And if you think that

"The new rules are insanely childish and the forum splits make posting an OT topic so it gets the most number of views and thus responses a pain in the ass and not worth it."

then maybe you need to follow your own advice and

"Fsck Off and Die"

And just in case you misinterpret my feelings

"I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant."

Ahh, just feel all that l:brokenheart:ve.

Then this comment blurts out

"YOU may like the new rules, but obviously the silent majority do not, and have voted with their feet."

And I obviously liked the new rules enough that as a "silent majority" who never posted and just lurked here that I finally decided to sign up and post. I think the true "silent majority" never post or sign up here, and their traffic versus users logged in would obviously prove this. And even though I am now a user here, I still frequently do not log in just to read posts.

And your last post

"The squeeky wheels like you may be the loudest, but they are most often the minority. The greatly diminished activity level of OT proves this."

just proves that that the moderators are doing a good job, and most of the other ADD spaz posters have already moved on to greener spam posting pastures. So what's keeping you here again?

President and Ambivalent Dictator for Life of The Amused Fsck Off and Die Club

oh, yea, that. Gotcha.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are MANY reasons for the slow down in growth of these forums, the number one factor being that over the years a lot of online IT communities have formed.

As to bans.. when I resigned as a Mod and rejected Elite member status it was my observation that changing fedral tax code was probably an easier task than handing somebody a vacation
from these forums. Lengthy communication and discussions on several levels before anybody gets told to take a hike around here.

Another thing to consider,the overwhelming overall tone and complexion to these forums is one of hostile sarcasm that can quite off putting to potential new members. Many people probably scroll thru here and figure that if they want to argue with people or be insulted that they can do that in their real time lives and they decide to become members elsewhere.

Take it from a MOD who knows. You pretty much summed up the forums since they started here, Geekbabe.