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You're welcome, I'm happy to share my thoughts, and I'm glad to hear you found them helpful. It sounds like you have it running how you want and all the gremlins are sussed out. There's certainly nothing wrong with getting a feel for how a new PC works and how it responds to settings changes, I just didn't want you to obsess over it too much. As someone who also tends to overthink things, and wants to understand how things work, I can relate. I just didn't want you to go too far down the rabbit hole at the expense of enjoying the system.

In terms of balancing thermals, efficiency, and performance -20/85C probably isn't too far from ideal honestly. At least for a system that's leaning toward performance over efficiency and stability. If the system isn't mission critical, daily use is probably as good of a stress test as anything. I'd probably at least want to do individual core stress testing with OCCT to make sure all the cores are stable with a -20 offset though.

What are your SOC and memory controller voltages? Board makers like to set these way too high when EXPO/XMP is enabled. I don't like either one of these voltages over 1.3 on AM5 and they usually don't need to be anywhere near that high although this depends on silicon lottery and the motherboard. The voltages the board makers set when enabling memory OC profiles are usually high enough to make me nervous that it will cause premature memory controller degradation. They also increase thermals and eat power budget. This has been an issue on multiple platforms with multiple AIBs for years. I always manually set memory controller voltages with EXPO/XMP enabled irrespective of platform. I may be a bit paranoid here though and I don't mind doing some memory stress testing.

I found slightly under 1100 mV to be where my 7900XT was happy. Silicon lottery comes into play but I'd bet money that 1025 mV isn't properly stable in all games for the vast majority of 7900XT cards.

I have my gaming PC in my living room. I use it with a 120 Hz 4k 82" TV with variable refresh at 1440p. I generally crank up most settings to ultra, cap FPS at 120, and never enable ray tracing or use FSR. My TV's not bright enough for HDR so I also avoid that.
Sound like you have an awesome setup, I do have a 4k tv 50" I thought about hooking it up to but its only 60 Hz

So like I say my monitor is 1440 at 180 Hz, I don't think it has variable refresh setting.

( EDIT, The game I'm mostly playing right now is capped at 144 FPS ( bellwright) So after typing this message up , I turned it on set it to 120 and turned everything up to ultra setting. WOW what difference ultra makes from high setting. )

Ok so bare with me on this when you say SOC and memory controller voltages?, I am not 100% what ones you mean. Here are the ones I found

In BIOS there is a CPU core voltage it was at 1.178
a CPU NB/SOC voltage That was 1.308

Idling on my home screen I opened HWINFO under Ryzen 7700x there was a CPU VDDRC_SOC voltage that was 1.305 it was showing that max, min average. that's probably the same one I saw in the BIOS

And yes I'll get OCCT and do individual core stress testing to make sure all the cores are stable.

Yeah I do have a habit of sometimes o overthinking lol, but i've been trying to keep myself in check, I am getting lots of gaming lol. but one other reason why i'm trying to figure out as much as I can, is i'm building another PC the exact same as mine just different GPU, for my son, but he's a month away from getting a GPU, waiting to see what the new AMD are like, so by then I'll have all the kinks worked and he'll think I know what I'm doing lol.
 
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Sound like you have an awesome setup, I do have a 4k tv 50" I thought about hooking it up to but its only 60 Hz

So like I say my monitor is 1440 at 180 Hz, I don't think it has variable refresh setting.

( EDIT, The game I'm mostly playing right now is capped at 144 FPS ( bellwright) So after typing this message up , I turned it on set it to 120 and turned everything up to ultra setting. WOW what difference ultra makes from high setting. )

Ok so bare with me on this when you say SOC and memory controller voltages?, I am not 100% what ones you mean. Here are the ones I found

In BIOS there is a CPU core voltage it was at 1.178
a CPU NB/SOC voltage That was 1.308

Idling on my home screen I opened HWINFO under Ryzen 7700x there was a CPU VDDRC_SOC voltage that was 1.305 it was showing that max, min average. that's probably the same one I saw in the BIOS

And yes I'll get OCCT and do individual core stress testing to make sure all the cores are stable.

Yeah I do have a habit of sometimes o overthinking lol, but i've been trying to keep myself in check, I am getting lots of gaming lol. but one other reason why i'm trying to figure out as much as I can, is i'm building another PC the exact same as mine just different GPU, for my son, but he's a month away from getting a GPU, waiting to see what the new AMD are like, so by then I'll have all the kinks worked and he'll think I know what I'm doing lol.


The TV's pretty good. I'm happy with it. Nothing special really. It's just a mid range Samsung QLED from 4 years ago. I prioritized screen size because I have a pretty large view distance. Mostly bought it to keep my sanity during Covid. I find it pretty immersive for gaming.

Your monitor almost certainly supports FreeSync which is an implementation of variable refresh rate. You may need to enable in the monitor's menu.

I usually set sync and FPS limit settings in the in-game menu. You can limit FPS in Adrenaline as well if the game doesn't have the option. In the gaming menu, the global setting is in the graphics tab under frame rate target control.

The voltages should be shown in HWiNFO64 under the motherboard tab. If you post a screenshot of that I can take a look. CPU VDDCR_SOC is the SOC voltage. The memory controller is CPU VDDIO. The motherboard tab in HWiNFO64 for my Asus board shows labels of CPU SOC and CPU VDDIO / MC for these voltages.
 
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That is it, if it is the CPU VDDIO it looks like its 1.352
 

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@Rigg

Here is a couple screen shots from cinebench r23 I ran this morning
 

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That is it, if it is the CPU VDDIO it looks like its 1.352
According to AMD spec, VDDIO_MEM is supposed to be set to the same value as the DRAM_VDD/VDDQ voltages. It should be safe up to 1.4V since that's the max voltage EXPO kits use. In theory anyway.

AMD has stated 1.3V is max SOC voltage, and limited it to 1.3v in AGESA code after some users burned up 7000 CPUs because of motherboard auto settings applying excessive voltage when enabling EXPO profiles.

Your MC and SOC voltages should be safe (SOC is at it's limit) but they're also likely to be higher than necessary. AIB's generally like to push as much voltage as they can get away with so they can avoid instability. I'm running 2x16GB 6000 MT/s C30 EXPO kits on both my 7800X3D and 7700X systems. I'm running 2x32 6000 MT/s C30 EXPO on my 7900X system. None of them need over 1.2V SOC or 1.25V VDDIO to be stable with EXPO timings. YMMV.

@Rigg

Here is a couple screen shots from cinebench r23 I ran this morning
How's the fan noise? Fan speeds seem a bit agressive for my taste. That's a personal preference though.
 
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According to AMD spec, VDDIO_MEM is supposed to be set to the same value as the DRAM_VDD/VDDQ voltages. It should be safe up to 1.4V since that's the max voltage EXPO kits use. In theory anyway.

AMD has stated 1.3V is max SOC voltage, and limited it to 1.3v in AGESA code after some users burned up 7000 CPUs because of motherboard auto settings applying excessive voltage when enabling EXPO profiles.

Your MC and SOC voltages should be safe (SOC is at it's limit) but they're also likely to be higher than neccisary. AIB's generally like to push as much voltage as they can get away with so they can avoid instability. I'm running 2x16GB 6000 MT/s C30 EXPO kits on both my 7800X3D and 7700X systems. I'm running 2x32 6000 MT/s C30 EXPO on my 7900X system. None of them need over 1.2V SOC or 1.25V VDDIO to be stable with EXPO timings. YMMV.


How's the fan noise? Fan speeds seem a bit agressive for my taste. That's a personal preference though.
Ok so I understand everything your saying about the voltages and stuff, I guess the question I have which I'm not sure of, are these something I should may be look at reducing? I take it, its more of a longevity issue with higher voltages you mention, then it just burning stuff up.

Fan noise is good lol, Everything is set on a curve, so I have them set to be high at like 80+ deg, as its thermal limit is 85, when I testing cinebench scores last time that how I set it to get the 19993 score with offset, PPT etc. So actually basing it on the way my fans are now with everything at stock I bet I could hit 20300+ score, due to that extra thermal head room, if thats the right term. But just gaming, my CPU was running anywhere from 55-60 depending on the temp in my house, if I have wood fire going it could be 75 in my house, if I have the rooms window open it could be 65. Now that I put the display setting up to ultra, the CPU is doing less and temps are 50- 55 so at those temps my fans are not running very hard, so noise is not an issue, in fact I could probably lower my fans even more and let the temps rise a few deg. I got my be quiet fans on sale for like 60% off, really quite impressed with them, and surprisingly my NZXT 140 fans on the AIO are probably a hair quieter yet. I got about 100 hours of gaming on this already, this is my slow month of work lol
 
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Ok so I understand everything your saying about the voltages and stuff, I guess the question I have which I'm not sure of, are these something I should may be look at reducing? I take it, its more of a longevity issue with higher voltages you mention, then it just burning stuff up.
Reducing these 2 voltages will reduce thermals and power usage on the I/O die just like the CO offset does on the CCDs. I mostly prefer to reduce them out of habit and an abundance of caution. Whether or not it will actually slow degradation over time in any meaningful way I can't say for sure.
 
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I will say that my 7900XTX doesn't seem to like to undervolt much, I mostly leave it at stock these days. This may be because it is designed to boost higher and use more power, being a high end model with triple 8 pin power. Default voltage is 1150mV I believe, I have tried bringing it down a tad bit like to 1125mV, but either that or a light memory OC, it doesn't seem stable, so I just leave it at stock for now.
 

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So, here is a question, I've been playing a game now for about 90 hours lol ( bellwright) the game in the settings was capped at 144FPS from start, and my FPS was always that or a bit under, the other day put my settings to ultra and set the cap to 120FPS, it reflected that when playing on adrenaline, while playing yesterday I noticed on my adrenaline it was showing it was running between, 200 and 250 FPS, I checked it was still set in the game at 120. that seem weird. should I trust the adrenaline.
 

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So, here is a question, I've been playing a game now for about 90 hours lol ( bellwright) the game in the settings was capped at 144FPS from start, and my FPS was always that or a bit under, the other day put my settings to ultra and set the cap to 120FPS, it reflected that when playing on adrenaline, while playing yesterday I noticed on my adrenaline it was showing it was running between, 200 and 250 FPS, I checked it was still set in the game at 120. that seem weird. should I trust the adrenaline.
out of curiosity, are you using HDMI or Displayport?
 

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out of curiosity, are you using HDMI or Displayport?
Using Displayport, but just figured out what it was the other day, In adrenaline I somehow mistakenly clicked the HYPR_RX Eco button under graphics. I seen it and just happen to set it back to default, when did I noticed the adrenaline start show showing 120fps again instead of 200-250. It runs better with that off. smoother, picture etc.

@Shmee one thing I noticed with that graphics button turn on, my card did not like undervolting or lower power limit as well, with that off neither seems to be an issue.
 

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Interesting, I currently have the Radeon software using the HyperRX anti lag mode, I wonder if I would do better without that.
 

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Interesting, I currently have the Radeon software using the HyperRX anti lag mode, I wonder if I would do better without that.
I actually seen a video on that the other day, with a guy that does some pretty in depth PC stuff. his opinion was to shut all that graphics stuff off in adrenaline. if I can find the video I'll post as he explains why.
 

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I think this the video, skip a head to the gaming tabs.

Remember anything I post take with a grain of salt lol, a few months ago I knew shit about about this stuff. I'm a very fast study but still. I can report my PC is running very very nice though and I couldn't be happier.
Thanks again Rigg, I feel I owe you a gift card for a meal or something though lol
 

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Hmm, I watched it, certainly worth a try. I'll see how it goes with his recommendations.