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AZ bans race exclusive classes and teaching solidarity

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woolfe9999 said:
This sounds like a good idea. I agree that ethnic studies courses are for the college level and should not be taught in K-12. Students should be at a more advanced critical thinking stage before electing to take such courses. If the objection is that standard history courses tend to overemphasize white European history (which I think can often be the case), then history that is more specific to particular ethnic groups can be included in those courses. The solution is to broaden the core social studies courses, not to produce specialized courses which cater to particular ethnicities.

As a side note, I seriously doubt that people are actually being excluded from these ethnic studies courses based on their ethnicity. While the bill addresses that issue, it is likely solving a problem that doesn't exist. However, the bill goes beyond that, and I tend to agree with its overall purpose.

- wolf
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It sure does in Tucson...
 
Are these classes exclusionary in the first place? When I went to school, they never outlawed students of other races from being in ethnic studies classes or organizations. I remember there were caucasians in the NSBE, AA studies, and asian american clubs in school.
 
"...as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment."

Thought crime legislation?
 
PokerGuy said:
How do you determine whether a class promotes religion? Same thing. You look at the curriculum and see what exactly is being taught and how.
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With religion you can look at whether religious teachings are being presented as facts, pretty simple. What is the equivalent for promoting solidarity and resentment? Is teaching the history of the Civil Rights movement promoting solidarity among blacks and resentment for racist white Southerners who threw stones at black schoolchildren and protested civil rights?

It would be abnormal NOT to feel resentment toward these people. So is a class not allowed to show these photos?
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What about resentment toward Nazi Germany and Allied solidarity, is that allowed?
 
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Throckmorton said:
With religion you can look at whether religious teachings are being presented as facts, pretty simple. What is the equivalent for promoting solidarity and resentment?
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It's definitionally problematic. It will come down to administrative judgment calls. I wouldn't call it thought crime legislation, however. Consider putting the shoe on the other foot. Suppose a class promoted the idea that hispanic immigrants are right now the biggest problem for white people, and that white people ought to band together. That's pretty much a mirror of what this legislation is trying to prevent. Would a policy or law that precluded this sort of teaching in public school classes be a thought crime law?

The fact is, public schools have regulated cirricula. We do it all the time.

- wolf
 
Throckmorton said:
"...as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment."

Thought crime legislation?
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I am not sure I understand. Are you saying that not allowing racial balkanization, segregation, anger, or superiority in K-12 is thought control?

Studying the facts of history is one thing... promoting racism is another ball of wax.
 
cwjerome said:
I am not sure I understand. Are you saying that not allowing racial balkanization, segregation, anger, or superiority in K-12 is thought control?

Studying the facts of history is one thing... promoting racism is another ball of wax.
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To me that wording implies that they're talking about policing results-- the solidarity and resentment.
 
This is good.

Racial studies are dumb and based on questionable scientific differences between humans. It also reinforces lingering cultural differences.

To the extent schools indoctrinate students, it should be limited to indoctrinated democratic western values aka citizenship.
 
Infohawk said:
This is good.

Racial studies are dumb and based on questionable scientific differences between humans. It also reinforces lingering cultural differences.

To the extent schools indoctrinate students, it should be limited to indoctrinated democratic western values aka citizenship.
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"Hispanic" isn't a race. There are white, black, and native Hispanics. Hispanic culture is by definition Western just like ours is.
 
Throckmorton said:
"Hispanic" isn't a race. There are white, black, and native Hispanics. Hispanic culture is by definition Western just like ours is.
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Agreed. Hispanic/Latino is a political term.

I've known a few Asian people who were from Panama who are and do consider themselves culturally Latino/Hispanic as well as Chinese.

The proper term would be Mestizo when describing someone of Spanish and Native blood lines.
 
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Is it possible? a governor that actually does for the state what the people are asking for?
 
So if someone were to give a speech in front of a high school Latino studies class in Tuscon, AZ and they said:

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life".

Would that violate the new law?
 
NoWhereM said:
So if someone were to give a speech in front of a high school Latino studies class in Tuscon, AZ and they said:

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life".

Would that violate the new law?
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No, because the bill doesnt cover speeches.
 
From what I understand these classes didn't exclude any student of different races from attending them so they weren't necessarily exclusive though being an elective I can see where it would cater towards each individual race that the studies were about. IMO opinion this all needs to be taught but not just to those of particular races but of all races and it should not be an elective. It should be included into the curriculum. There are 4 yours of High School, there's plenty of time for all students to study these things in Social Studies/History classes.
 
I wonder who all the old people who live there are going to get to change their diapers when all the illegals are kicked out?
 
Red Dawn said:
I wonder who all the old people who live there are going to get to change their diapers when all the illegals are kicked out?
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Why have your diaper changed by a Mexican in a shitty home in the USA when you can get it changed by a Mexican in a shitty home in Mexico for 1/4 the price and have mai tais on the beach 'til you kick the bucket?
 
nick1985 said:
Thats the best troll you got? Come on Red, you can do better.
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Troll? I was just trying to add a bit of levity to this thread.

Let me just state that I'm not in support of illegal aliens, I just don't like this law because of the potential of abuse against Hispanic Americans and Legal Hispanic Aliens. I definitely believe that businesses that employ illegal aliens should be targeted, fined and any profit made from the use of illegal aliens should be confiscated due to it being earned through an illegal activity.
 
Red Dawn said:
From what I understand these classes didn't exclude any student of different races from attending them so they weren't necessarily exclusive though being an elective I can see where it would cater towards each individual race that the studies were about. IMO opinion this all needs to be taught but not just to those of particular races but of all races and it should not be an elective. It should be included into the curriculum. There are 4 yours of High School, there's plenty of time for all students to study these things in Social Studies/History classes.
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I couldn't disagree more. Our public schools are turning out graduates that can't read, are incapable of balancing a check book, and can't distinguish science from voodoo. Anything beyond core education is a waste of time and ill-serves the student.
 
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