AWOL Soldiers

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Like hell. Even before Bushco's evil reign scared away 80% of potential recruits it was laughably easy to get in. Now you get a green light as long you're breathing.

Pure bullsh!t. There are minimums in education, ASVAB scores and limits on criminal histories.

To say there are no standards is a complete fallacy.

I dare say your irrational political bias is clouding your ability to be honest, or at the very least is leaving you open to dishonest propaganda.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JinLien

Originally posted by: mrrman
They should have the right to leave if they want to..same as a regular job

Agree, however the contract that they sign implicate their obligations, and there are penalties to relinquish a contract.

On the other hand if the recruiter misled the recruit the recruit should be able to walk away scott free.

If the recruit is too stupid to read what he is signing, he deserves to lay in the bed he made for himself.

The recruiter can lie all day long, but the paperwork cannot.

That's why they recruit stupid teenagers heavily.

Actually, there is a standard of knowledge, education and intelligence that must be met to join.

Teenagers, by default, are stupid. And intelligence is NOT measured. Education, ASVAB scores, and physical health are.

Education and ASVAB scores are a fairly good indication of intelligence.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The ASVAB is largey composed of a battery of vocational aptitude tests. What little actual knowledge/intelligence is tested is at about a 6th-8th grade level. Education level isn't an indicator of anything except education level, and should not be considered even remotely related to knowledge or intelligence.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Like hell. Even before Bushco's evil reign scared away 80% of potential recruits it was laughably easy to get in. Now you get a green light as long you're breathing.

Pure bullsh!t. There are minimums in education, ASVAB scores and limits on criminal histories.

To say there are no standards is a complete fallacy.

I dare say your irrational political bias is clouding your ability to be honest, or at the very least is leaving you open to dishonest propaganda.

Even when I joined the standards were pitiful. In the group I entered with two people joined with ASVAB's in the 50-60th percentile. That requirement has since been dropped to an extremely low level. Here's a link some of that info, though it's year old information and now standards have been lowered a total of 3 times. Any felony used to bar you from service, now they're allowing multiple felony convictions, depending on what they are. My nephews cousin is going in with 3 felonies, including a car theft. Another friend got into the marines even with assault, weapon, and drug convictions (though to be fair he did have to obtain a waiver to do so). The only limit on education I'm aware of is that you have to have at least a GED. Got news for you, any vegetable in your garden can earn a GED.

Yes there are requirements, but they're obscenely low, and they're being lowered constantly under Bushco.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
On CNN a couple nights ago they did a big profile on a soldier that went AWOL.

I found it really made me angry. Here's why:

The guy signed up to get the goodies: College money, training, etc.
It's a volunteer army. Nobody made him sign up.
Now that he's expected to do what he signed up to do, he walks away.

If he was drafted, it wouldn't bother me. But he VOLUNTEERED. I hope they find him and lock him up in PYITA prison.

:|

I feel the exact same way. It's a contract that you aren't obligated to sign up for. If you do so willingly, you must fulfill it.

 

[LLCOOLJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark
I hope they find him and lock him up in PYITA prison.

:|

I feel the exact same way. It's a contract that you aren't obligated to sign up for. If you do so willingly, you must fulfill it.

Maybe you two can sign up to dish out the punishment, I bet you guys would like that!

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Richard Cranium

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark
I hope they find him and lock him up in PYITA prison.

:|

I feel the exact same way. It's a contract that you aren't obligated to sign up for. If you do so willingly, you must fulfill it.

Maybe you two can sign up to dish out the punishment, I bet you guys would like that!

You volunteering to be our test dummy?

 

[LLCOOLJ]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Richard Cranium

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark
I hope they find him and lock him up in PYITA prison.

:|

I feel the exact same way. It's a contract that you aren't obligated to sign up for. If you do so willingly, you must fulfill it.

Maybe you two can sign up to dish out the punishment, I bet you guys would like that!

You volunteering to be our test dummy?

I have a better idea, why don't you two practice on each other.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Richard Cranium

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Richard Cranium

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark
I hope they find him and lock him up in PYITA prison.

:|

I feel the exact same way. It's a contract that you aren't obligated to sign up for. If you do so willingly, you must fulfill it.

Maybe you two can sign up to dish out the punishment, I bet you guys would like that!

You volunteering to be our test dummy?

I have a better idea, why don't you two practice on each other.

Naw, we agree with each other. You, on the other hand...

 

[BoomerD]

I'm gonna agree a bit with both sides of this.
Recruiters DO lie and discourage you from reading the contract. Happens all the time. You MAY get a written guarantee of a job, or first duty station, BUT, there's almost always a little clause called "the good of the service" or wording to that effect, that says they can void those guarantees and send you where they want, or train you for what they want, if their needs didctate it. Also, if for ANY reason you don't make it in your MOS schools, you're gone...not out of the service, but into whatever they want. (can you say infantry?)

That being said, when you sign up for an enlistment period, you have to finish that contract or pay the price. There are no "escape clauses" that allow you to walk away if you don't like it, nor if you don't want to go to war. As the old hippie mantra went in the 60's:
"What if they gave a war, and nobody came?"
Heh..can you imagine generals actually having to fight each other? Maybe we should start making the leaders of the country "duke it out" instead of sending our young men & women off to die in some foriegn land? I saw lots and lots of death and destruction during my tours in Vietnam . Most of it a total waste of human life. Very few consider that they may die or get horribly maimes when they enlist, most are just looking for a job...It sux that the current administration keeps pulling funding from the VA, when these men & women have given so much...

 

[walrus]

Bush did the same thing during the Vietnam war.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: walrus
Bush did the same thing during the Vietnam war.

:thumbsup:

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: JinLien

Originally posted by: mrrman
They should have the right to leave if they want to..same as a regular job

Agree, however the contract that they sign implicate their obligations, and there are penalties to relinquish a contract.

But it's not a job. Once upon a time people understood that.

Nope, it's just a job. Sorry.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: mrrman
They should have the right to leave if they want to..same as a regular job

:disgust:



So your in a gun battle and your comrades decide they had enough and boogie for greener pastures leaving you fend a few hundred nuts with guns. Right I see the logic

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: JinLien

Originally posted by: mrrman
They should have the right to leave if they want to..same as a regular job

Agree, however the contract that they sign implicate their obligations, and there are penalties to relinquish a contract.

But it's not a job. Once upon a time people understood that.

Nope, it's just a job. Sorry.

In jobs they don't send you out with automatic weapons and grenades and order you to kill as many enemy as possible.

In jobs you're not expected to defend your country to the death.

In jobs you can't be ordered to your death.

chambersc, tell me exactly how long were you in the military? Thought so.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: JinLien

Originally posted by: mrrman
They should have the right to leave if they want to..same as a regular job

Agree, however the contract that they sign implicate their obligations, and there are penalties to relinquish a contract.

But it's not a job. Once upon a time people understood that.

Nope, it's just a job. Sorry.

In jobs they don't send you out with automatic weapons and grenades and order you to kill as many enemy as possible.

In jobs you're not expected to defend your country to the death.

In jobs you can't be ordered to your death.

chambersc, tell me exactly how long were you in the military? Thought so.

You're arguing the emotional side of the job. If one is paid for their services, it's considered a job, regardless of what said service entails. If their job happens to be

"sent out with auto.........etc"

"defend your country to the death"

"ordered to your death"

then so be it. Think about it rationally and removed from the situation. Don't take it personally for I am certainly not diminishing the work a soldier does.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Don't take it personally for I am certainly not diminishing the work a soldier does.

But you are diminishing the work a soldier does. It's *NOT* "just a job". That's the kind of thinking that has guys thinking they can just walk away when the going gets tough.

Death is what differentiates war from data entry. And differentiates being a soldier and being a clerk. And differentiates the military from "just a job".

Without the death aspect, a soldier would just be another civil servant.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: chambersc
Don't take it personally for I am certainly not diminishing the work a soldier does.

But you are diminishing the work a soldier does. It's *NOT* "just a job". That's the kind of thinking that has guys thinking they can just walk away when the going gets tough.

Death is what differentiates war from data entry. And differentiates being a soldier and being a clerk. And differentiates the military from "just a job".

Without the death aspect, a soldier would just be another civil servant.

So are you comparing Millitary service with data entry, thus qualifying the service as a job and hereby using an apples to apples comparison or are you using an apples (Millitary) to oranges (everything else, apparently) comparison?

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: chambersc
Don't take it personally for I am certainly not diminishing the work a soldier does.

But you are diminishing the work a soldier does. It's *NOT* "just a job". That's the kind of thinking that has guys thinking they can just walk away when the going gets tough.

Death is what differentiates war from data entry. And differentiates being a soldier and being a clerk. And differentiates the military from "just a job".

Without the death aspect, a soldier would just be another civil servant.

So are you comparing Millitary service with data entry, thus qualifying the service as a job and hereby using an apples to apples comparison or are you using an apples (Millitary) to oranges (everything else, apparently) comparison?

No, just showing you how rediculous the comparison is.