Not necessarily. If the CONTRACT was incorrect, then yeah. But, and this has been litigated to death, what the salesman says (and recruiters are definitely salesmen) is not valid unless it's in writing too.
When I was considering signing up back in high school, I had an attorney distill the contract for me. It pretty much said what I thought it did from my own reading, but signing 2-4 years of your life into slavery should make one VERY cautious.
And anyone who doesn't think it's slavery REALLY needs a lawyer!
I think we should do to deserters what the great General George Washington did to them - hung them on site.
Teenagers, by default, are stupid.
And intelligence is NOT measured. Education, ASVAB scores, and physical health are.
I would hope that people still have respect for the 'stupid' teenagers that stay for entire enlistment, or reenlist and continue to serve.
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Nobody here is denying soldiers the respect they deserve.
And yes, you were a stupid teenager once too. (If you aren't still.) We all were. It's part of being a teenager.
moks78
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:thumbsup: FTW!Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
This is going to turn into a P&N flamewar shortly, and I am out of marshmallows.
Hopefully it will. That way we can weed out the idiots right away.
The guy joined up and ran. No one forced him to sign. He's a pos. What ever happened to being a man of your word? Oh, I forgot. Somewhere along the way we became pussified.:laugh:
Red Dawn
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So you think with the recruiting numbers not being met that these recruiters don't lower the bar?
Anyway I'm not saying all those recruited are stupid, in fact I'd say the vast majority aren't. That said I'm positive there are cased where the recruit was misled and he wasn't intelligent or mature enough to know better. In those cases the recruit should be let out of his commitment.
Amused
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Because teens are easier to mold and discipline. People in their 20s are more resistant to these things. The younger the person, the easier and quicker they adapt and learn.
You have a mighty negative and cynical view of the armed forces, Red. Why?
Agree, maybe people should lobby to increase the legal age to serve in the arm force to 21.
I'm sure that the US wouldn't be involve in so many wars as they are now because the soldiers would be harder to misled.
Red Dawn
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On the contrary, I admire those in Uniform for doing their duty even if their Commander and Cheif is a moron or uses them like pawns. I'm just stating that in cases where the recruit was misled he should be allowed out of his obligation. As you stated, teenagers are easily influenced and can be easily led astray.
Amused
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But they are also legal adults.. and as such, are responsible for their actions. If they sign a contract they are bound to it. If they don't bother to read it, it's too damn bad.
Why do I say this? Because there cannot be such a loophole for legally binding contracts. To do so would lower personal responsibility to such a level that nothing is legally binding anymore.
That post is inappropriate to this thread, and inaccurate. 18 year olds can purchase alcohol on base.
Red Dawn
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So in your opinion if the kid was ignorant and misled he should still have to put his life on the line even if he was lied too? What happened to honesty?
BTW, I don't know about contracts regarding the Armed Services, do they specificly state what job you are going to be assigned? Are there clauses that state that the Service can change your assignement at their whim? If so it should be pointed out. This is not like getting screwed on a used car, the worse thing about that is that you lose the car or end up with a lemon, in the case of the Services you could end up getting your head blown off by some IED along a road in that sh!thole sandbox known as Iraq.
If he/she signed up during the current administration then I have no sympathy for them. Anyone that didn't realize Bushco were gonna do their best to destroy the world isn't worth my pity. However, if someone were in the military already when these nutjobs started everything then I can afford them some slack. I'd have more respect for someone that stood by their principles and simply refused to serve instead of running off, but I understand the fear of doing so.
Like hell. Even before Bushco's evil reign scared away 80% of potential recruits it was laughably easy to get in. Now you get a green light as long you're breathing.
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If you voluntarily sign a legal contract, then you are obliged to fulfill the terms of that contract. If you failed to read the contract prior to signing, or if you failed to understand what you read and did not consult independent legal advice prior to signing, then I have no pity for you. Those "stupid teenagers" are old enough to vote and old enough to be tried as an adult.
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