Awesome new Kyro review (with HSR hardware) cant even beat a Geforce SDR

[Hardware]

The kyro is maybe double efficient but its triple complex!
That a point I wnt to know how 3dfx can solve this!

 

[DaveB3D]

Kyro is not triple complex. It is like 12 million transistors if I recall correctly, The TNT2 was like 11 million.

 

[NFS4]

That is a lot of power from a little chip.

 

[Hardware]

Its far more complex with tile sorting etc!
So its only working up to 115 mhz +10%
I do not know but I believe the GP1 was a low mhz chip too!

 

[DaveB3D]

I don't know why, the PowerVR has always had a low clock. Yes, GP-1 had a lot clock, but so did other chips i that time frame (TNT, Banshee).

 

[NFS4]

If the Kyro had a clock of around 175-200MHz and some faster RAM, it would dominate today.

 

[Hardware]

When we see Fear the nvidia brute force approach will be about 300-500mhz
we can expect ram with 500-800 mhz
thats a lot of raw power with some hsr abilites

 

[DaveB3D]

Yeah, agreed on KYRO. I lied when I said I didn't know why it is clocked low. Actually the reason is because ST went the cheap route, trying to keep cost down. So they used cheap packaging, cheap PCB, etc. This lowered the cost, but it also held them back from getting the clock up.

 

[NFS4]

Damn, they could have had a chance for a breakthrough product

Imagine a Kyro with a 200MHz clock and even 166MHz DDR SDRAM...hell even 166MHz SDRAM. They would also need some cleaned up drivers b/c from what I've seen it has some issues with games (Quake 3 being one of them). But with that combination, they could have made a big splash in the market.

Cheap bastards:|

 

[Hardware]

i hope 3dfx can get the mhz high enough
as we can see hsr without high mhz wont cut it

 

[Soccerman]

"as we can see hsr without high mhz wont cut it"

not so true, it is Tile based rendering without mhz will compete well, however will not dominate. the kyro competes well for a TNT2/Voodoo 3 era chip (which is what it is), had it been clocked slightly faster, it would be competing well with TODAYS chips.

slightly being about 166mhz mem/core. that's nothing compared to todays V5, and Geforce 2 Ultra in terms of sheer power, but it DOES cut it in terms of performance.

 

[Hardware]

well the kyro competes well with a tnt2 but its priced higher!

If i am correct even the gp1 was damm slow in no fsaa but only on 4xfsaa it could compete

 

[Rigoletto]

This tile based rendering is a logical improvement over normal graphics cards which have become very inefficient with wasted rendering. I think that in two years this TBR will be licensed to all new chips. Maybe showing TBR/HSR in this cheap chip is in order to make other companies sit up and take notice?
If they had made an expensively clocked card, idiots would be complaining about lack of T&L for the price despite the fact that T&L has been around unused for quite a while... this way they can say it's an effective card in the lowish end range.
Hardware says some dumb things, I wonder if bullies banged his head on the desk at school.