This is exactly what intel has done during the P4 era, particularly
at the beginning, explicitly , forcing the consumer to buy an
inferior product
That s not true, PhII is superior to a C2.
Phenom II is faster than Core 2 in 1 out of 31 tests.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/80?vs=49
Lying isn't good
An unlocked Phenom II made the most sense for upgrading all my 65nm C2D systems (fileserver, netserver, folks, etc.), given the insane prices on Q6600s and 45nm C2Qs.
I missed the gun Intel was holding to my head. I was unaware I was forced to buy a computer with a P4 CPU.
i think were failing to help the OP now, and trying to swing blue vs green now.
Half-brainwashed, half-market limited.I missed the gun Intel was holding to my head. I was unaware I was forced to buy a computer with a P4 CPU.
No kidding, for 3 years Intel shouldn't have been able to sell a single chip and yet they kept most of the market -- lol ?
@Topweasel
Wrong. Time is Money. A chip with strong IPC gets work done quicker = Time is Money. In my former place of work we had Amd Magnycours chips in limited server deployments for non essential tasks. Every other computer used Intel chips. Mobile, Desktop, and Essential Server.
A gun or a handfull of dollars....
I did read in another thread that in 16 years you didn t deal with
a single AMD system.
So i suppose that by 2005, you did sell crappy P4 based servers.
No doubt that you dragged your customers inside some FUD and
sentences like " but the intels have more cores by the grace of
hyperthreading, not counting a much much higher frequency
than those crappy opteron64"....
And then telling JF AMD that you are not a liar..
Wrong, you had forcibly to be one at the time.
Link please.
Sell? I haven't been in sales since 1990.
No, I'm not including software. I was actually rounding down, our standard small workload server is a little over $16K for hardware and build.
That, or HP and AMD are not really that close. That could explain why in 19 years HP has not once even mentioned seeding me with an AMD system. And maybe that's why there isn't an AMD cpu to be found in the HP enterprise client elite line - desktop or laptop.
Was that you, or was it the much ( and worthy as well) regretted
Michael Jackson..??...
Phenom II X4 is more or less equal to the old core i5. In some things faster in others slower. I picked the Ph II myself, because I liked the platform better. With the Core i5 SB though, there's a brand new platform (and they've ironed out the worst bugs AFAIK), so for a mid-high end system or gaming rig I think the i5 SB makes most sense right now.
Hopefully Bulldozer will change that - not that I really care about blue vs green teams, I just like to see the competition and have the maximum of choice when I upgrade.
I have a PhII 955BE. Saying 'i5' is kind of misleading. If you mean Clarkdale dual-core i5, then yes, I can kind of see a certain parity (i5-650/etc). If you mean quad-core Lynnfield i5 (760/etc), then not at all, though stock speeds were at least somewhat close when you compare 3.4ghz 965BE to stock 2.66ghz i5-750. The PhII tops out usually just below 4ghz, but even at 4ghz, it's gonna get run over like a pancake by even a mildly overclocked lynnfield.
But yeah, i5-2500 is king right now for price/performance.