Fenixgoon
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Skel
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who are the 2 chicks standing in the middle?
Maria Hill who was the second in command in S.H.I.E.L.D. in the movies. To the right of her is Hawkeye's wife (name's pointless as I doubt anyone cares.. which my OCD made me look up..dammit) Laura Barton
zinfamous
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Well if every superhero ever doesn't die before this one ends, then it will be disappointing.
Newbian
Lifer
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crashtech
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So nihilistic! I am almost tired of being vicariously invincible, but not at all tired of the kinetics, the cinematography, the excitement that the Marvel Universe excels in bringing to the masses. If this is the Idiocracy, well, I'm in, baby.
Aikouka
Lifer
- Nov 27, 2001
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As a note for people, there is only a single end-credits scene, and it's after the entire credits.
Hm, I'm a bit mixed on the movie itself. There are two things that stuck out to me. The first is that the movie just doesn't let up, and arguably, it can't. There are just far too many characters and threads for it to really take a break. The awkward thing about that is that the movie jumps around quite a bit. I'd say that the movie maybe stays about 8-15 minutes on one group/thread at a time until it jumps to another. I think what made that bad is that the movie doesn't really do these transitions terribly well. It pretty much just hard cuts to another scene.
Also, the action filmography gets a so-so rating from me. There were points in the movie where I couldn't follow what was happening because it was just far too frenetic and awkwardly "filmed" (i.e. rendered on a computer). Fortunately, I don't have that comment about a more important fight closer to the end of the movie, and I think that's an important thing to note. Although, speaking about the filming... what the heck was with that super weird low angle shot when some characters were walking down a ramp? That was just... weird.
Now, I think what aspect really got to me is possibly because I was looking at the movie "the correct way", which is actually "the wrong way". Yes, that's a bit confusing, but hang with me here for a second. Essentially, these movies follow the most basic story arc, the Hero's Journey, but this one doesn't really. ...or that's what I thought. I don't want to go into too much detail outside of spoiler tags because you could infer the ending...
Hm, I'm a bit mixed on the movie itself. There are two things that stuck out to me. The first is that the movie just doesn't let up, and arguably, it can't. There are just far too many characters and threads for it to really take a break. The awkward thing about that is that the movie jumps around quite a bit. I'd say that the movie maybe stays about 8-15 minutes on one group/thread at a time until it jumps to another. I think what made that bad is that the movie doesn't really do these transitions terribly well. It pretty much just hard cuts to another scene.
Also, the action filmography gets a so-so rating from me. There were points in the movie where I couldn't follow what was happening because it was just far too frenetic and awkwardly "filmed" (i.e. rendered on a computer). Fortunately, I don't have that comment about a more important fight closer to the end of the movie, and I think that's an important thing to note. Although, speaking about the filming... what the heck was with that super weird low angle shot when some characters were walking down a ramp? That was just... weird.
Now, I think what aspect really got to me is possibly because I was looking at the movie "the correct way", which is actually "the wrong way". Yes, that's a bit confusing, but hang with me here for a second. Essentially, these movies follow the most basic story arc, the Hero's Journey, but this one doesn't really. ...or that's what I thought. I don't want to go into too much detail outside of spoiler tags because you could infer the ending...
The hero of the movie is Thanos. I know that sounds crazy, but if you think about it, he pretty much follows the arc more than any of the Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, or anyone else. In fact, the end of the movie is essentially him getting his "good ending". The only awkward part of that "revelation" is that Thanos isn't really who the movie follows, which makes the story just feel.... weird
shortylickens
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shortylickens
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She also played the girl on Freaks and Geeks and quite frankly is way too good an actress to be getting bit roles like Hawkeyes wife.
Newbian
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My biggest issue was the random red skull part.
He got killed by the Tesseract they made it seem and it really did not need him of all people taking about the soul stone.
That and having a storyline of them destroying an infinity stone and that's not going to happen.
He got killed by the Tesseract they made it seem and it really did not need him of all people taking about the soul stone.
That and having a storyline of them destroying an infinity stone and that's not going to happen.
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zinfamous
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You are halfway right...
touche
it's a reference to how the Infinity Gauntlet is supposed to play out. The Marvel Film Universe, outside of Dr Strange, hasn't yet introduced a single character that is remotely capable of taking on Thanos with his Infinity Gauntlet. This was written to be a two-parter anyway, so I guess we'll have to see what they can cram in: either they suddenly introduce the entire world of celestials and cosmic beings, or they neuter Thanos down to the point where some douche like Captain America has a chance, which would suck.
Anyway, I'm still a bit excited for it even though the previews look like a colossal mess. It could only ever have been a mess, anyway, but I think Marvel did this as properly as they could have, because they've taken years to lead up to this story, slowly bringing all of the principles into this...though I suspect there yet remains some last-minute cramming that will feel forced: we've twice been hinted at the existence of Adam Warlock in 2 previous flicks, so he's going to be appearing here at some point and will likely seem very stupid to the ave. movie-goer.
Aikouka
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I am curious about one thing...
This isn't really much of a spoiler (talks about the beginning of the movie and the trailer), but I'll tag it regardless
Oh, and as an FYI to anyone, avoid the Wikipedia article on the Infinity Stones. It includes some rather big spoilers for the movie.
Doctor Strange made it quite clear that there was only one way that they could beat Thanos given his 17 million-ish permutations that the experienced. Is the movie trying to imply that the sort of "worst timeline" situation that the movie ends with is actually still part of Doctor Strange's only viable win condition? It isn't entirely clear that's the case, but he did state that it was "the end game" after he gave Thanos the Time Stone rather than a "game over". Albeit, that's attempting to decipher silly comic book movie dialog, which is about as silly of a thing as the dialog itself. 
I guess if we look at it this way... if Doctor Strange didn't just give him the Time Stone, Thanos would've killed Stark... and probably gotten the Time Stone eventually anyway. Stark is one of the few left alive after the "culling", which means that he is likely an important part of the plan to fix everything. So, as crazy as it seems for Strange to just give up the stone, it might make sense given what we saw and how things turned out.
I guess if we look at it this way... if Doctor Strange didn't just give him the Time Stone, Thanos would've killed Stark... and probably gotten the Time Stone eventually anyway. Stark is one of the few left alive after the "culling", which means that he is likely an important part of the plan to fix everything. So, as crazy as it seems for Strange to just give up the stone, it might make sense given what we saw and how things turned out.
This isn't really much of a spoiler (talks about the beginning of the movie and the trailer), but I'll tag it regardless
Arguably, the entire reason they have Thanos remove his armor after he gets the Space Stone is to sort of show him as being... humbler or weaker? At the beginning, he beast the crap out of The Hulk, but then there are scenes from the trailer where Captain America is able to hold back Thanos. Albeit, he doesn't last long, but it sort of shows that Thanos isn't trying too hard. Hell... he could just use the gauntlet against them half the time. In other words, I don't think they dumb him down, but he doesn't seem to put a ton of effort into seriously fighting back.
Adam Warlock is not in the movie nor is Captain Marvel. Although, it's a given that the latter is going to be in the next Avengers movie since her solo movie is in March 2019, and the next Avengers is scheduled for May 2019. Adam Warlock is still entirely up in the air as his existence wasn't hinted at in the movie at all from what I noticed.
Oh, and as an FYI to anyone, avoid the Wikipedia article on the Infinity Stones. It includes some rather big spoilers for the movie.
Skel
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If the Red Skull had done anything more I would have been bothered. As it was, I felt it was more a "what's left of RS". They could have had anyone there honestly, but having RS there didn't really effect much. It was going to play the same. If anything it puts to rest the "what happened to RS" that were around after the first Cap movie.
I am curious about one thing...
Doctor Strange made it quite clear that there was only one way that they could beat Thanos given his 17 million-ish permutations that the experienced. Is the movie trying to imply that the sort of "worst timeline" situation that the movie ends with is actually still part of Doctor Strange's only viable win condition? It isn't entirely clear that's the case, but he did state that it was "the end game" after he gave Thanos the Time Stone rather than a "game over". Albeit, that's attempting to decipher silly comic book movie dialog, which is about as silly of a thing as the dialog itself.
I guess if we look at it this way... if Doctor Strange didn't just give him the Time Stone, Thanos would've killed Stark... and probably gotten the Time Stone eventually anyway. Stark is one of the few left alive after the "culling", which means that he is likely an important part of the plan to fix everything. So, as crazy as it seems for Strange to just give up the stone, it might make sense given what we saw and how things turned out.
I took it as it was the only way to win. I'm assuming he looked and saw how the next movie will turn out.
I took it more as a sign he no longer needed such things. At that point he had two stones, what could armor do for a guy that can bend space?
That was a thing I was disappointed in. I really wanted Adam to show up. I'm not a big fan of Captain Marvel (much preferred her when she was Ms Marvel wanting to up her Q Rating than teh bad armor wearing uber airforce character. I also have to wonder wtf has she been doing through all this. You'd figure she'd be active if the planet was getting multiple alien attacks.. but again, I hated the post credits stuff.. It was a hint at what's next in movies but didn't fit the narrative to me. Of course the post credit scene after Thor was thrown out completely like it never happened here so I'm not sure these count anymore.
edit: fixed my quoting
JEDI
Lifer
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PLEASE don't let the ending be like in the comics:
Thanos beats himself because he doesn't think he's worthy
it's stupid but logical.
Thanos is basically God.
how do you beat God?
Skel
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I don't think that'll happen directly like the IG books. They set the stage for other things in it..
The Gauntlet is now a tool that allows him to control the stones.. in the book he just willed them and happened to shove them all into his glove. They also over did the love he had for Gamora. While he did care for her, it wasn't anywhere what it was in this movie. I don't believe Thanos ever cried in the books once, and he wouldn't have even momentarily paused in throwing her off the cliff for a stone. I think that'll come up as a way for them to take his weapon. I'm still holding out for Adam to reach the movie as I can't handle a human like Stark somehow besting Thanos.
Aikouka
Lifer
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Speaking of Stark, I didn't really care for him much in this movie. Of course, everyone loved him in the first Iron Man, but I don't think he's ever been a well-written as he was in that movie. Ever since the events of Iron Man 3 and Civil War, he has just become so whiny and insufferable.
shortylickens
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Paratus
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As someone not familiar with the comics side I actually really appreciated Thanos’s love for Gamora.
She grew up with him and he abused and tortured her. In her exposition it sounded like she did some evil things for him, probably to try for his approval. And all this time he actually cared for her.
That love he had for her allowed him to access the soul stone and complete his monstrous goal. Quite frankly, in a movie where half the universe dies Gamoras failure to stop Thanos and her sacrifice by Thanos’s love of her is the darkest part of the whole movie.
She grew up with him and he abused and tortured her. In her exposition it sounded like she did some evil things for him, probably to try for his approval. And all this time he actually cared for her.
That love he had for her allowed him to access the soul stone and complete his monstrous goal. Quite frankly, in a movie where half the universe dies Gamoras failure to stop Thanos and her sacrifice by Thanos’s love of her is the darkest part of the whole movie.
mikeymikec
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