Autoweek comments on 2004 Acura TSX w/Navigation

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I love the IS300
But it's nowhere near as refined as the TSX.

How do you figure that? It's butter smooth inline-6 ownz the little torqueless wonder in the TSX.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I love the IS300
But it's nowhere near as refined as the TSX.

It isn't? What do you base this on?

 

[GTaudiophile]

No, it's more like the IS300 is what the TSX should have been in the first place.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No, it's more like the IS300 is what the TSX should have been in the first place.

BINGO!! 😛

Hell, they should have taken the S2000 chassis and made a sedan out of it 😀 That's what the TSX was supposed to be in the first place according to industry reports

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No, it's more like the IS300 is what the TSX should have been in the first place.

BINGO!! 😛

Hell, they should have taken the S2000 chassis and made a sedan out of it 😀 That's what the TSX was supposed to be in the first place according to industry reports

Yeah but do you think that Acura's 2nd cheapest sedan would be the first to adopt a RWD chassis? I'd be more inclined to think the larger cars (TL and RL) would be the first to switch...

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No, it's more like the IS300 is what the TSX should have been in the first place.

BINGO!! 😛

Hell, they should have taken the S2000 chassis and made a sedan out of it 😀 That's what the TSX was supposed to be in the first place according to industry reports

They do have plans for a S2000-based sedan/coupe.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I love the IS300
But it's nowhere near as refined as the TSX.

It isn't? What do you base this on?

the interior, the ride, the handling, the steering etc
IS300 is more of a sports car with RWD and all..TSX seems more on the luxury side of things.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I love the IS300
But it's nowhere near as refined as the TSX.

It isn't? What do you base this on?

the interior, the ride, the handling, the steering etc
IS300 is more of a sports car with RWD and all..TSX seems more on the luxury side of things.

n/m

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

My point is that that they are directly comparable, weight-wise, space-wise, etc. Also, Motor Trend says that the 5-spd automatic G35 Sport Sedan does the quarter-mile in 14.68s so I'd imagine the 6-spd manual should best that slightly. and be in the 14.5-14.55 range (the 2 door coupe with the less restrictive exhaust system and 6MT is a 14.23 car). source

Since I've driven neither car I'm hardly an expert on these cars, but by the numbers and reviews it's been getting, the G35 looks mighty tough to beat and I just don't think the TSX is the car to do that.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

My point is that that they are directly comparable, weight-wise, space-wise, etc. Also, Motor Trend says that the 5-spd automatic G35 Sport Sedan does the quarter-mile in 14.68s so I'd imagine the 6-spd manual should best that slightly. and be in the 14.5-14.55 range (the 2 door coupe with the less restrictive exhaust system and 6MT is a 14.23 car). source

Since I've driven neither car I'm hardly an expert on these cars, but by the numbers and reviews it's been getting, the G35 looks mighty tough to beat and I just don't think the TSX is the car to do that.

damn. that is quick. Personally I'd rather have a G35, but I'd take the TSX over the A4/3-series/saab any day..i'd consider them in a different class almost due to their size.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

My point is that that they are directly comparable, weight-wise, space-wise, etc. Also, Motor Trend says that the 5-spd automatic G35 Sport Sedan does the quarter-mile in 14.68s so I'd imagine the 6-spd manual should best that slightly. and be in the 14.5-14.55 range (the 2 door coupe with the less restrictive exhaust system and 6MT is a 14.23 car). source

Since I've driven neither car I'm hardly an expert on these cars, but by the numbers and reviews it's been getting, the G35 looks mighty tough to beat and I just don't think the TSX is the car to do that.

damn. that is quick. Personally I'd rather have a G35, but I'd take the TSX over the A4/3-series/saab any day..i'd consider them in a different class almost due to their size.

There's no way in hell I'd take a TSX over an A4. The A4 interior OWNZ the TSX and you get AWD. I'd take an Audi A4 1.8t Quattro over a TSX anyday.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

My point is that that they are directly comparable, weight-wise, space-wise, etc. Also, Motor Trend says that the 5-spd automatic G35 Sport Sedan does the quarter-mile in 14.68s so I'd imagine the 6-spd manual should best that slightly. and be in the 14.5-14.55 range (the 2 door coupe with the less restrictive exhaust system and 6MT is a 14.23 car). source

Since I've driven neither car I'm hardly an expert on these cars, but by the numbers and reviews it's been getting, the G35 looks mighty tough to beat and I just don't think the TSX is the car to do that.

damn. that is quick. Personally I'd rather have a G35, but I'd take the TSX over the A4/3-series/saab any day..i'd consider them in a different class almost due to their size.

There's no way in hell I'd take a TSX over an A4. The A4 interior OWNZ the TSX and you get AWD. I'd take an Audi A4 1.8t Quattro over a TSX anyday.

go for it. Have fun with your weak ass motor and reliabilty issues.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.
No dobut the G35 is a beautiful car, a step above the competition. To compare it to a small sporty car like the A4, 3-series, or TSX is a little unfair.
15.2 compared to 15.5.. if anything we should look at 0-60 and quarter miles
It's simple logic that 200hp in a 2000 lb car isnt the same as 200 hp in a 5000 pound car. The fact of the matter is the TSX is at the top of it's game for small sporty sedans in FWD.

Here are a few stats to correct you:

curb weight
G35 sedan 6MT: 3,398 lbs source
TSX 6MT: 3,230 lbs source

headroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 40.1/37.9 source
TSX 6MT: 37.8/37.3 source

legroom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 43.6/33.6 source
TSX 6MT: 42.4/34.2 source

shoulder room (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 56.4/55.5 source
TSX 6MT: 55.4/53.5 source

hiproom (front/rear, in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 52.2/54.1 source
TSX 6MT: 54.4/54.4 source

Overall Length/Width (in.)
G35 sedan 6MT: 186.5/69 source
TSX 6MT: 183.3/69.4 source


Hmmm.... they look pretty comparable to me 😉 😛 except for the engine

the point i was attempting to make was HP/TQ doesn't determine speed. A better measure of this is the quarter mile, where the TSX trails by .3

My point is that that they are directly comparable, weight-wise, space-wise, etc. Also, Motor Trend says that the 5-spd automatic G35 Sport Sedan does the quarter-mile in 14.68s so I'd imagine the 6-spd manual should best that slightly. and be in the 14.5-14.55 range (the 2 door coupe with the less restrictive exhaust system and 6MT is a 14.23 car). source

Since I've driven neither car I'm hardly an expert on these cars, but by the numbers and reviews it's been getting, the G35 looks mighty tough to beat and I just don't think the TSX is the car to do that.

damn. that is quick. Personally I'd rather have a G35, but I'd take the TSX over the A4/3-series/saab any day..i'd consider them in a different class almost due to their size.

There's no way in hell I'd take a TSX over an A4. The A4 interior OWNZ the TSX and you get AWD. I'd take an Audi A4 1.8t Quattro over a TSX anyday.

go for it. Have fun with your weak ass motor and reliabilty issues.

You...called the 1.8t weakass?? OK, no one listen to this man anymore😀

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Cfour

MORRISON: From the driver?s seat, there?s no doubt you?re piloting an Acura. The suspension is tight yet comfortable, and as usual with Acuras, there?s no torque steer whatsoever.

Doesn't torque have to be present in order for there to be torque steer? Rofl!

HAHHAHAHAHA! 😀

Sooo sad... soo true... 😛
Most Hondas don't have equal length halfshafts but since the onset of torque is mild, torque steer is nearly unnoticeable. There's not huge rush of torque like in other high HP FWDs/AWDs that threaten to rip the wheel out of your hands.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: rubenswm
I love the IS300
But it's nowhere near as refined as the TSX.

It isn't? What do you base this on?

the interior, the ride, the handling, the steering etc
IS300 is more of a sports car with RWD and all..TSX seems more on the luxury side of things.

The IS300 and TSX are both listed as sports sedans. We all know that the IS300/Altezza is one of Toyotas higher end vehicles and was designed as such. We also know that the TSX is just the Euro Accord... basically a car for the masses. So therefore the TSX is more luxury?

LOL at your lack of knowledge about the VW 1.8T. There's a lot of things I disagree with NFS4 about, but not this time.

 

[rubenswm]

A4 sucks. Let me dig up one of my old posts about it.
As far as the TSX, it's a much more luxury oriented car. It's interior makes the IS300's interior look cheap and lame.

 

[rubenswm]

here we go.
Performance numbers on the A4 1.8T
16.2 5spd
15.9 multitronic
16.1 quattro 5spd
16.6 quattro tiptronic

wow thats so fast.. lol.

http://www.audiusa.com/shared/a4_sedan/specifications/pdfs/Audi_Tech_Specs.pdf

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Cfour

MORRISON: From the driver?s seat, there?s no doubt you?re piloting an Acura. The suspension is tight yet comfortable, and as usual with Acuras, there?s no torque steer whatsoever.

Doesn't torque have to be present in order for there to be torque steer? Rofl!

HAHHAHAHAHA! 😀

Sooo sad... soo true... 😛
Most Hondas don't have equal length halfshafts but since the onset of torque is mild, torque steer is nearly unnoticeable. There's not huge rush of torque like in other high HP FWDs/AWDs that threaten to rip the wheel out of your hands.

Is this just bullsh1t that you "heard about" or do you have some facts to back this up?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NFS4

You...called the 1.8t weakass?? OK, no one listen to this man anymore😀

The 1.8t is a weakass motor, especially for the class it's playing in.

Audi A4s with the 1.8T are about as fast as a late model stick corolla. Those new limited edition sentras would just walk away from an A4.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
A4 sucks. Let me dig up one of my old posts about it.
As far as the TSX, it's a much more luxury oriented car. It's interior makes the IS300's interior look cheap and lame.

I agree about the interior, but while the TSX is percieved to be more luxurious in terms of interior (after all it doens't have that boy-racer look) its just as sporty as the IS300.

The 1.8t is a weakass motor, especially for the class it's playing in.

In the A4, he's right. The 1.8T, as a motor, is excellent. Has great power delivery, lots of torque, etc...but in a A4 making 180hp, its not the greatest. Its good in the GTI.

However once chipped, the 1.8T is awesome in any car.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
$32,845 is MSRP on a 4dr. sorry 35k was for 2dr
If you want to deal with infiniti customer service, I welcome you to.

Uh, Infiniti's customer service is awesome. link

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
here we go.
Performance numbers on the A4 1.8T
16.2 5spd
15.9 multitronic
16.1 quattro 5spd
16.6 quattro tiptronic

wow thats so fast.. lol.

http://www.audiusa.com/shared/a4_sedan/specifications/pdfs/Audi_Tech_Specs.pdf

Doesn't the 1.8T in A4 generate 110kw? Why not chip it to something like 140kw? Should be pretty easy thing to do. Basides, thanks to it's turbo, 1.8T generates lost and lots of low-end torque, and that's ALOT more important that raw performance-numbers!

People who stare at 0-60 and 1/4-mile figures are posers and losers IMO.

 

[hans007]

it has no torque steer because it has no torque being a 4 banger and a honda.