Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers.

yllus

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Engadget: Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers

It looks like a group of 12 self-professed "audiophiles" recently couldn't tell the difference between Monster 1000 speaker cables and plain old coat hangers. Yeah, coat hangers.

The group was A-Bing different cables, and unbeknownst to them, the engineer running the test swapped out a set of cables for coat hangers with soldered-on speaker connections. Not a single one was then able to tell the difference between the Monster Cable and the hangers, and all agreed that the hangers sounded excellent.

I know that the defenders of Monster Cable are going to jump all over the source here, but it certainly rings true to my own experiences. During my term in retail I was up close and centre with Monster products and was hard pressed to ever find a difference in quality between their stuff and generic cabling. The power bars were the funniest bit.



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AgaBoogaBoo

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Monster Cable is sold at something like $5 to the store for even the most expensive ones, right? Maybe $10 for longer lengths? Then they're sold for $80 or whatever is asked.
 

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Moster Cables are worthless and a ripoff. I goto monoproce and get the same quality cable for pennies.
 

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Marketing marketing marketing.

I bought my 50' of copper cabling from cablesforless (I think) for something like $14. Much cheaper and the 16AWG is just right for my Onkyo HT-590S setup. It was better than the crap that came with the system though.
 

venkman

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Monster Cable has defenders? I mean other than those that work for the company?
 

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Originally posted by: compman25
Did they hook them up to Bose speakers?

Heh, maybe THAT is why they couldn't tell the difference ;)
 

QueBert

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one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial :)
 

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What I find really funny about all this speaker wire stuff is people spend all this money to ensure the best connection between their box and receiver yet never peep inside either component to see how its wired! :laugh:

The pros use SJO cable - like your garden variety extension cord. Most is SJ (300V rated) but in high power installs we like to use 600V rated stuff. (SJO) Virtually indestructible as are the Speakon connectors on each end. Twist and click - goes nowhere even if someone trips on the wire - box keeps on ticking and the unfortunate individual does a face plant on the stage. :Q
 

slayer202

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Originally posted by: QueBert
one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial :)

$200 to get a cable that bends easier? wanna buy some tap water from me? It tastes REALLY good!
 

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Originally posted by: QueBert
one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial :)

it doesn't suck at all. you're keeping a company in business at your expense.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: compman25
Did they hook them up to Bose speakers?

Now let me tell you something about my home theater. My speakers (musical instruments) feature Scanspeak's slit-cone midrange Revlator drivers and matched silk dome tweeters (their best and most expensive drivers). The upper bass woofers are Daton Titanic III 10-inch drivers and the sub woofers are Daton Titanic III 15-inch woofers. The fs is 19 Hz and in their enclosure go down to 16 Hz at 125 dbs measured at one-meter (they rock the house when they achieve room lock). These speakers are 4-way tower floor standers. The cabinets are 2-inch MDF, braced, properly dampened, and stuffed with a proprietary filler. The weight is in excess of 375 lbs each!

The center channel speaker uses the same tweeter and midrange driver as the left right towers. The center channel bass is channeled to the left-right tower woofers via the pre-pro (small speaker setting). The center channel also have two Revelator slit cone mid range drivers and the speaker is laid sideways on its own dedicated stand which places it dead center to the bottom of the movie screen. Cross over and phasing are set to eliminate lobing. The rear surround drivers use linium ribbons and 5-inch hexacone drivers with passive 24 db/Oct cross overs which are housed in a a nonresonate aluminum enclosures. These quasi omnidirectional speakers are ideal for surround speakers. They are mounted 7 feet from the floor on the sides and rear of the theater seating area. They are set on the small speaker setting in the prepro, thus utilize the left and right front main speakers woofers for bass below 80 Hz. They, along with the center channel speaker are crossed over at THX's recommended 80 Hz point.

The sub woofer consist of a custom built 450 pound enclosure, tune ported per computer analysis which sports two 18-inch drivers. It works down to 12 cycles (- 3 db point which is the limit to our measurement equipment). Its efficiency is 95 db at 1 meter, 1 watt in put. The drivers are made by Focal (Jm Labs) in France. All speakers are padded to a 90 db output at one meter. All speakers are electronically crossed over and triampliefied with Anthem amplifiers @ 200 watts per speaker (each speaker has its own dedicated amplifier)!

My home theater pre-pro is a RDC-7 Integra Research (latest model with all upgrades). My DVD-CD player is Sony's flagship NS999ES DVD/CD/SACD player. Inter connects are Monster M-1000's wires. Speaker cables are good old fashioned 14 gauge Belden, oxygen free copper wire for the tweeters and midrange drivers and 12 gauge for the woofers and subwoofers (more about that later). My video consist of an 84-inch Stewart Grayhawk electric retractable screen. The overhead-front projector is a Sony Hi-Def LCD Cineza (the only dront projector I have ever viewed that projects a picture which looks good when an end table lamp is turned on in the room).

I use Monster's line conditioner powered by a TripLite power converter transformer set up. All AC lines are dedicated 20 amp and grounded with a 3-foot copper stake in the ground. TV reception is DSS satellite. All Inter connects are 2 meters or less in length. Speaker wires are 18-ft. or less. My room is 12-feet high, 18.5 feet wide X 23.5 feet long and semi open to a hall, foyer and dining area (which make wonderful bass traps). This, mathmatically, causes a 34 Hz, 45 Hz and 72 Hz 5 db suckout, a mild 3 db suckout at 52 Hz and a huge 12db boost at 62 Hz and a 4 db boost at 80 Hz. This is corrected with an Audio control 1/6 octave bass equilizer (set with calibrated mic and meter), plus judicious phase adjustment to the sub woofers. The bass frequency measurement while in the main seating area of the room (14-feet from the center of the screen) is + 2db, - 1.5 db from 120 Hz to 18 Hz.

The entire system from 20 Hz to 11K Hz. (the limit to my hearing) is + or - 2.5 db @ 4.5 meters from the center speaker, while seated as measured on an HP real time spectrum analyzer. Acoustical treatment consists of hung decorator rugs on the back walls, large back wall book case stuffed with books and nic-nacks, an acoustical fluffed (popcorn) ceiling, a 9 X 12-ft. area rug, and very soft, absorbant, dual pleat blinds which may be dropped down on the side walls exactly where the first sound wave launch hits the wall. Speakers are properly placed by comuter and sound meter analysis.
 

Shawn

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Well coat hangers are pretty thick and it's not like speaker wire is insulated anyway.
 

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
What I find really funny about all this speaker wire stuff is people spend all this money to ensure the best connection between their box and receiver yet never peep inside either component to see how its wired! :laugh:

The pros use SJO cable - like your garden variety extension cord. Most is SJ (300V rated) but in high power installs we like to use 600V rated stuff. (SJO) Virtually indestructible as are the Speakon connectors on each end. Twist and click - goes nowhere even if someone trips on the wire - box keeps on ticking and the unfortunate individual does a face plant on the stage. :Q

You are really weird.
 

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Martin Logan SL-3 (electrostatic hybrid, I believe).

Speaker wire may have less effect than interconnects, but even mainstream cable companies have adopted oxygen free wire, some even Ohno continuous cast copper.

You don't know what amp was used (Martin Logan electrostats may be very hard load to drive), and you don't how much degradation the ABX switch introduced, plus you really need to listen over time to appreciate subtle differences that may degrade from your listening experience.

Monster Cable is crap (probably nothing more than overhyped stranded copper just like you can get at Monoprice), but that doesn't mean that all cable manufacturers are selling snakeoil (though a lot of it is very overpriced).
 

silverpig

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But but but did they "break in" the coat hangers first by playing loud varying music for at least 1 week constantly? :)
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: QueBert
one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial :)

$200 to get a cable that bends easier? wanna buy some tap water from me? It tastes REALLY good!

like putty, in car audio you have very limited space so the more bendable the cable is the better the install will go. I'm talking about the amp wire here not the RCA ones. find me 0 gauge wire outside of Monster or Kicker that bends like putty and doesn't try to bend back to being flat out and I'll buy it. I don't know how they did this, because internally it's going to be nothing but copper. But somehow they managed to make it bend and squish like jelly's inside. I would *seriously* pay $200 again for this, but that's just me.

 

Krazy4Real

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I'm not surprised. As long as you get something that has good build quality you can't go wrong. Monster cables aren't bad, they are just not worth the asking price at all.
 

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Originally posted by: QueBert


like putty, in car audio you have very limited space so the more bendable the cable is the better the install will go. I'm talking about the amp wire here not the RCA ones. find me 0 gauge wire outside of Monster or Kicker that bends like putty and doesn't try to bend back to being flat out and I'll buy it. I don't know how they did this, because internally it's going to be nothing but copper. But somehow they managed to make it bend and squish like jelly's inside. I would *seriously* pay $200 again for this, but that's just me.



Usually if you leave cable out in the sun they bend easier... YMMV but it always works for me
 

JulesMaximus

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Zip cord FTMFW!!!

Monster cable is just overpriced zip cord in fancy packaging. I'd bet they spend more money on packaging than on actual R&D.
 

slayer202

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: QueBert
one thing I like about Monster Cables, they're incredibly easy to bend and route. I have their pro series audio amp kit cables running for my car stereo. No other brand I looked at had the same quality. It's like they're made out of silly putty how easy it is to bend them and get them to go where you want. Sound any better? nope not at all, but was worth the $200 IMO for how greatly they helped make the install that much easier, and it look cleaner than I could have done with generics. No other brand with the exception of the Kicker, which cost about the same would have given me the same results.

some of us are ummm... superficial? haha that's why I pay 12 bucks for a SATA cable that should be $3, just because it has a nicer look I spend more. It sucks to be superficial :)

$200 to get a cable that bends easier? wanna buy some tap water from me? It tastes REALLY good!

like putty, in car audio you have very limited space so the more bendable the cable is the better the install will go. I'm talking about the amp wire here not the RCA ones. find me 0 gauge wire outside of Monster or Kicker that bends like putty and doesn't try to bend back to being flat out and I'll buy it. I don't know how they did this, because internally it's going to be nothing but copper. But somehow they managed to make it bend and squish like jelly's inside. I would *seriously* pay $200 again for this, but that's just me.

to each his own. I don't really know anything about cables, let alone car audio, I was just busting your chops :beer:
 

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Originally posted by: venkman
Monster Cable has defenders? I mean other than those that work for the company?

Not so much defenders, as "people who are defensive about having paid for Monster Cable products".