AUDIOPHILE ONLY: Rocket Loudspeakers -- Unbelievable Sound at an Unbelieveable Price!

[finkl]

For AUDIOPHILES it MAY be HOT. Compare these speakers to OTHER audiophile speakers that retail for DOUBLE or more than its price. If this deal is not for you, let it go. Otherwise, you are just "bumping" the thread to the top and giving it more importance than it would normally have.

Appopin,

As you pointed out, I am a proud junior member. But I dare to challenge your argument, and believe you are actually wrong. You are missing my point. My main point is that a hot deal must be measured objectively rather than subjectively. I am not saying that you can completely rule out personal opinion or preference, but you should not base your hot deal completely on your personal preference or perception. If you call this a hot deal because there is a remote possibility that this product may interest a very small portion of people in this forum, then what is not a hot deal? I don't know Rockets are good speakers or not, but that is irrelevant because the original post and your argument are completely based on your perception and preference. I can instantly list 100 hot deals if I use your rationale. I own VW Passat and BMW 325i, and think VW is better than BMW in most measures (maybe except handling and acceleration department). If I post a deal saying "VW Passat is a hot deal because it is better than a $6,000 more expensive car and all the reviews say so," everyone will jump and laugh at me. Appopin, can you tell me the difference between this example and the Rocket speaker deal? This post could be hot for someone who didn't know VW Passat is a decent car (I doubt it though), but more people will resent me. Actually this post is better than the Rocket deal because I, at least, have first-hand experience. If I post a deal saying that I found a VW Passat $3,000 lower than its invoice, then I have a hot deal. Sorry for not being able to show more respect to senior members. Please forgive my rudeness.

 

[RadioactiveMagpies]

He has posted what he thought was a deal and throughly defended his position.
If 20% of the people say its a hot deal, and 80% of the people say its not, is it still a hot deal?
How should we really measure what is a hot deal? If it only saves 1-2 people money, should someone even bother posting it?
Where do we draw the line?





Is trying to help 1 fellow anandtecher not worth the effort nowadays?

 

[Lucky]

If I post a deal saying that I found a VW Passat $3,000 lower than its invoice, then I have a hot deal. Sorry for not being able to show more respect to senior members. Please forgive my rudeness.

Lets read what the manufacturers website says:

Click HERE for special introductory Rocket package pricing!

1 RS750 RSC200 RS250 $2700 $2199 $501
2 RS750 RSC200 RSS300 $2600 $2099 $501
3 RS550 RSC200 RSS300 $2100 $1799 $301
4 RS550 RSC200 RS150 $1900 $1699 $201
5 RS250 RSC200 RSS300 $1900 $1599 $301
6 RS550 RSC100 RS150 $1650 $1499 $151
7 RS250 RSC100 RS150 $1450 $1299 $151
8 RS150 RSC100 RS150 $1150 $1099 $51


NOTE: Bolded numbers are the SAVINGS you recieve from the current SALE pricing

Tell me now, these are savings are they not? How much off retail do you demand before its a "hot deal"?

 

[gswpete]

I think much could have been avoided if the original post had stated these prices and savings. That would have made it sound more like a hot
deal rather than an advertisement.

 

[deeznuts]

yeah, did you skip over the part where he said there were discounts? you just argued yourself into being incorrect.

 

[gswpete]

"Mark Schifter, owner of www.av123.com and creator of the amazing DIVA loudspeaker line has recently announced Rocket Loudspeakers, and there are some GREAT introductory package deals offered on their website!

These speakers, along with the previous DIVA line, are arguably the best performing speaker in this price range on the market. What really makes this a hot deal, however, is Mark Schifter's incredible dedication to customer service. His company just never ceases to amaze me -- the lengths to which they will go to make a customer happy are unlike any that I have ever seen before."

And according to him, the price wasn't what made it hot. Nor was he specific about the savings,etc you'd normally expect to find in a hot deal post.
Look, I believe that his intentions were good but I don't blame those who question his post, cause it's kinda between a hot deals post and an advertisement.
Now, if he'd been a little more specific on the savings side and less on the other stuff then my guess is that it wouldn't have drawn quite the reaction it did.

 

[CapnChaos]

Would you like some cheese with your whine? Ahhhhh hahahahahaahaha....ahahah...ah ha....ha....

I can't believe I read all this garbage...or that it was allowed to go on for so long. Who carrrrrreeeessss....

 

[Insomniac]

Originally posted by: Raiden256
Looking to upgrade your home theater? Looking for GREAT speakers to compliment the Denon AVR-3802 that you can get at 6th Ave for $699?

Are they hot?

 

[thescram]

The people here at Anandtech never cease to amaze me. To me these speakers would be a hot deal. I would by them, knowing that I have 30 days to audition them. I have listened to the Diva's and I think they are great for the price. Excellent build quality and customer service to back them up should anything go wrong. I would buy them today if I had the money. I will try them or another internet brand in the near future, before going into the retail shops. I once bought a subwoofer online without ever getting to listen to it. I bought only on the opinions of others found at many car audio sites. I love this speaker, and have bought more and switched friends over to this brand since.

 

[DielsAlder]

Let's say that I posted a deal for this no-name brand of instant coffee that is from Antarctica. It's $70 per 1/2 pound.

Does that mean it's good coffee just because it costs some much? What if I added that some dude said ?Goddarn, this is some serious gourmet sh!t,? after he took a sip.

I bet most normal people with ¾ a brain would be like, ?cut the crap, this is not a hot deal, you are paying $70 for some sh!tty no-name brand coffee.? And they probably wouldn?t buy the coffee without tasting it first.

Parallel: No-name brand Speakers that you never get to listen to before you buy them. And if someone bought them, what would you call that? DUMB!

Yet people on this thread believe that these are serious gourmet speakers, based on some guy?s opinion. I believe that one of the posters referred to this phenomenon as the Lemmings effect. And I cannot think of a better analogy to describe such behavior.

Furthermore, people, not to name names, get hotheaded about a few comments made that describe this behavior and evaluate the efficacy of this deal.

It is sad that deals cannot be discussed on this forum without people getting their feelings hurt, perhaps they don?t believe in themselves enough to raise reasonable counter arguments.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: DielsAlder
I believe that one of the posters referred to this phenomenon as the Lemmings effect. And I cannot think of a better analogy to describe such behavior.

You are corrct, someone did say that they were Lemmings. He also got a couple weeks off for doing it. Are you asking to be next?

 

[DielsAlder]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: DielsAlder
I believe that one of the posters referred to this phenomenon as the Lemmings effect. And I cannot think of a better analogy to describe such behavior.

You are corrct, someone did say that they were Lemmings. He also got a couple weeks off for doing it. Are you asking to be next?

I guess the truth hurts sometimes.

 

[Entity]

It is sad that deals cannot be discussed on this forum without people getting their feelings hurt, perhaps they don?t believe in themselves enough to raise reasonable counter arguments.

It is sad that deals cannot be discussed, but it's evident why: the discussion quickly regresses to name calling. Fortunately, those in charge have the sense to ban those who cannot remain civil.

Your analogy is poor, at best. First of all, coffee is in no way analogous to speakers; if you are looking for a comparison, stick with things that have appreciable facts and some objective criterion, mixed with some degree of subjectivity. Cars are a great example; in a pinch, computers could work as well. There are, in each case, hard facts that can back up some of the claims of the speakers; regardless, there is a degree of subjectivity as well.

Here is my stab at an analogy for this situation. Pick at it as you wish:

A tried and true automobile manufacturer (Mercedes, for example) has lost the one person (assume there was one "central" mind involved as the genius of their operation) that was responsible for the beauty of their original craft. He has gone on to start another company, and his new product is getting rave reviews by many people; though it is expensive, it is widely regarded by those who can afford - and those who appreciate - as an amazing product, at a good deal. The new product, of course, has been seen by very few people, as it is exactly that: "new."

In this case, anyone purchasing the new product - or offering a deal on the new product - would be making an informed decision based on both objective and subjective criteria. I can think of one case specifically where this happened in the arena I'm most involved in: Dana Gleason, the brains behind Dana Designs backpacks, left Dana Designs after selling them to K2; shortly thereafter, he started a new company, Mystery Ranch, and was selling new backpacks. From what I could gather from the designs, I would have - had I needed one - jumped on an equivalent "deal" for the backpack, without ever trying it. Additionally, those who did jump on the deal were amply rewarded, as the packs are comfortable (a subjective criteria, much like the sound of speakers).

Telling people that they should always audition speakers before buying them is great advice, and is helpful. Calling them lemmings is not. While some people may be lemmings, in this instance, many are not: many audiophiles trust the reputation of Mark Schifter, and with good reason. Insulting them for their trust is ludicrous, at best, and reveals you to be no better - you're just jumping on a different bandwagon.

Rob

 

[apoppin]

I did not wish to get ValsalvaYourHeartOut banned. I worked very hard to stop his "thread crapping" by posting many times here - much more than I wished.

This forum has rules. One of the most important is: No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.

We have seen what happens when this gets out of hand. An ordinary post like this might get 20 replies. Instead it has led to hard feelings, insults and name calling.

And now the Moderators have ruled - this may be a hot deal to audiophiles - it will stand. ValsalvaYourHeartOut was the thread crapping ring leader and his actions were clearly wrong as the Mod stated, "Maybe he will have a better understanding of our rule against thread crapping, as well as common courtesy, when he comes back from his vacation."

Yes, the truth sometimes hurts - but then this is a forum run by rules and courtesy, not anarchy.

EDIT: If you guys like a "looser" environment, why not try "Off Topic"? It is just as fun (and addicitive) as Hot Deals.
(why did I mention this?)