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Audio of the explosives which brought down WTC 7

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Maybe i am wrong but :
It is the same way how in early days metal tools where made. One heats the metal, and it becomes softer and pliable. But it is not at it's melting point.

If you combine all situations it is not that unlikely. Further, for the beautiful collapses, you have to thank the architects and designers for that. Because the buildings where all build with the same building technique. Hence the similar form of collapse. But why the collapse of WTC7 ? Take a box of cardboard. A wooden shelf of the same size and a wooden pole. Stick the wooden pole in the ground. Then attach the shelf on top of the wooden pole. Then lay the cardboard box on the wooden shelf. You can see that the cardboard box has no problem and is not bending. Now take of the shelf and place the cardboard box on top of the wooden pole. Here you can directly see that the weight of the box is transferred to a tiny portion of the bottom of the cardboard box. The same applies for the building of WTC 7. Combine the impact of debris and the fires and the explosions and the wind pushing and as a result structural loss will happen and something will brake. The building techniques used created a very lightweight compared to size building. These same techniques where responsible for the "demolition" style collapses. In any case, i think with or with out prior knowledge of the architects and designers about what would happen if those buildings would collapse (speaking from their perspective during the design in 1960s-70s), they still deserve a big applause for the buildings coming down as they did without causing more casualties then already happened. Because with hindsight, what would you have preferred, the collapse as happened or a tilted building creating more havoc?

The whole point is that the building was not a solid form and neither was WTC 1 or WTC 2. It is a wire frame designed to carry many times its own weight if nothing is compromised. Now you can imagine with all what was happened combined, it is really not that strange that the buildings collapsed.
And that the fema rapport is such a failure, is just that people where appointed who where found before that more on the golf coarse then studying or doing science.

For example You think a pyramid could ever have been build with that same length while having the same footprint and office space ? Not going to happen. It would collapse under it's own weight.

No, there is only one real question : Did the Bush administration have prior knowledge about the attacks or not ?
This is my opinion :
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If that was the case, i can assure you there was an estimation done about the damage. And probably the idea was that the planes would be shot down or in the worst case scenario the planes would fly into the buildings but with expectation that the building would not collapse because these building where designed not too. Now again, i may be wrong about this but it seemed those visco elastic dampers where added after the design and estimations where complete."

To think about the decision makers :
When you do not have to deal with every day reality, you loose affinity with all around you. And that is what happening with the super rich.

For example, during WW2, people and jeeps and trucks and tanks and planes and boats where given points. These points would resemble the amount of loss for each lost subject. For example, a human would be 10 points. A jeep would be 20 points. A truck 50 points. A tank 1000 points. and so on. Now the more points lost, the greater the financial loss. You can imagine that there where plans drawn where 100 men where send in to save a tank. Because men where cheaper. However, if you would say this directly you would have a problem and as such a point scheme was used.


I quote once again with respect to those visco elastic dampers :

http://www.designcommunity.com/discussion/7595.html

I've really to digest what you've said here and give it the respect due it because of the time you took to post it... but in the mean time this is my argument about the Towers... It is a paper by a fellow who teaches Physics and Math and his reasoning seems solid and his math and its application to the issue is logical. I just got this from a friend and read it once... So... 🙂

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf


I don't maintain that Bush or anyone did or caused to happen anything. I simply see what looks to me like an elephant flying... and wonder how... Why the elephant apparently chose to fly is a topic that can't rightly be addressed until I'm sure it is an elephant and it is flying... 😱
 
I cant see the two videos/sound files being "evidence" for explosives.

I would believe it if a "demolition expert" would state that its impossible that such "booms" being heard during a "normal" collapse of a building. It could be floors collapsing onto each other which caused those booms BEFORE the actual structure fell down.

There is simply no logical evidence that the sounds heard MUST be explosives - and repeatedly "analyzing" of the videos and sounds doesnt make this any more true.

There is a zillions possible explanations which would explain such "explosion like" sounds, IMO. Just my $0.02

I don't think I'd believe the recorded 'noise' can be defined as explosions, but what is an explosion? To me it is simply the sound related to the pressure created from some chemicals while two floors of a building meeting make a noise that can be exactly in the the same frequency and decible level. Noise is noise and you have to determine the decible level and the frequency then check around for fallen floors and if none you might could state it is RDX or TNT [which produce different 'noises'].
 
What happened to the plane that crashed in Pa., for instance....

The common notion that "no debris was left bigger than a phone book" is false. That notion simply came from some early comments made on Fox/ABC.

There are pictures on the web from the fuselage and other bigger parts of the plane which were found some 1/2 mile away from that "crater".

Its simply not true that the plane "disintegrated" completely.
 
William Gaatjes said, in part;
"For example, during WW2, people and jeeps and trucks and tanks and planes and boats where given points. These points would resemble the amount of loss for each lost subject. For example, a human would be 10 points. A jeep would be 20 points. A truck 50 points. A tank 1000 points. and so on. Now the more points lost, the greater the financial loss. You can imagine that there where plans drawn where 100 men where send in to save a tank. Because men where cheaper. However, if you would say this directly you would have a problem and as such a point scheme was used."

I don't know about a point system but do know during my Six years (Vietnam) the focus was on lives and dam the equipment. If I were asked to value a boat.. a PBR and order up to so many men but not over that number to save it over chucking it and go have a beer... I'd opt to have the beer. I don't or didn't know of any other Officer or NonCom who'd do otherwise.
 
I've really to digest what you've said here and give it the respect due it because of the time you took to post it... but in the mean time this is my argument about the Towers... It is a paper by a fellow who teaches Physics and Math and his reasoning seems solid and his math and its application to the issue is logical. I just got this from a friend and read it once... So... 🙂

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf


I don't maintain that Bush or anyone did or caused to happen anything. I simply see what looks to me like an elephant flying... and wonder how... Why the elephant apparently chose to fly is a topic that can't rightly be addressed until I'm sure it is an elephant and it is flying... 😱


With hindsight when looking at Bush and friends:

Looking at how GW presented himself when he is asked to respond to a question he has not rehearsed for. The awful amount of situations not doing a "presidents" job.
The "evidence" used for Irak.
The decline in pay and medicare for the soldiers while going on war to Irak.
The + costs billing schemes used for companies contracted by the military like Halliburton and subsidiaries.
The over prized billing of large companies and then using cheap subcontractors for the actual work to be done and making insane amount of profits.
The slipping in of useless military material in contracts for the Carlyle group.
The family connections with the Bin Ladens.
The money Bush needed and got from the Saudi's in times of crisis and even while being a president.
The patriot act.

This is just a few examples.
I have been doing a lot of research on it, and it is staggering and mind blowing. It all is a bit to much of a coincidence. It really is a situation where friends help friends get richer, nothing more. But with a total lack of morality it seems. Not even a "let's create a better world" notion. Because if there is no money to be earned, everything can happen in a country without help from a certain group of individuals. Remember Kuwait and the swift reaction of Bush senior ?
 
The common notion that "no debris was left bigger than a phone book" is false. That notion simply came from some early comments made on Fox/ABC.

There are pictures on the web from the fuselage and other bigger parts of the plane which were found some 1/2 mile away from that "crater".

Its simply not true that the plane "disintegrated" completely.

There are allegedly parts in a few places. The further away - if true - those parts are from the 'main' impact place changes the causal method as I see it.

However, there are early comments from a few folks and video of the area that indicated there is nothing there and I didn't see what I'd expect to see having seen a few airliner crash sites and actually one as it happened... PSA in '77 or was it '78 in San Diego. Air India in '85 off the Coast of Ireland fell 30 thousand odd feet as did the Lockerbie one... lots of stuff, big stuff evidenced the event.

EDIT: I also saw an aircraft break into itty bitty pieces as it hit a cement wall going some 800 knots I think it was...
 
William Gaatjes said, in part;
"For example, during WW2, people and jeeps and trucks and tanks and planes and boats where given points. These points would resemble the amount of loss for each lost subject. For example, a human would be 10 points. A jeep would be 20 points. A truck 50 points. A tank 1000 points. and so on. Now the more points lost, the greater the financial loss. You can imagine that there where plans drawn where 100 men where send in to save a tank. Because men where cheaper. However, if you would say this directly you would have a problem and as such a point scheme was used."

I don't know about a point system but do know during my Six years (Vietnam) the focus was on lives and dam the equipment. If I were asked to value a boat.. a PBR and order up to so many men but not over that number to save it over chucking it and go have a beer... I'd opt to have the beer. I don't or didn't know of any other Officer or NonCom who'd do otherwise.

I am sure it was.

But this information i have from people who's hobby is to collect information and material from the second world war and before for years. Having warehouses full of material and historical facts. Also facts that are not pleasant to know. And they are not biased, they collect from every country.
 
The common notion that "no debris was left bigger than a phone book" is false. That notion simply came from some early comments made on Fox/ABC.

There are pictures on the web from the fuselage and other bigger parts of the plane which were found some 1/2 mile away from that "crater".

Its simply not true that the plane "disintegrated" completely.

True. And do not forget about that some parts of a plane is made of thin parts of titanium and thin sheets of aluminum of 5 millimeter(1/5 inch) thickness. Compare that to a building with steel columns of several inches thick. It is not strange there is not an entire plane to be found. People see a plane and think it is a solid based on it's size. But if a 747 would be solid, it would be to heavy to fly. But then again, when come crashing in, it is all about kinetic energy. And those engines and a big part of the fuselage are pretty solid. A plane is incredibly strong when it comes to flying. But is really weak when it hits something. Do some research on the modern planes how thick the material used is. ^_^
 
With hindsight when looking at Bush and friends:

Looking at how GW presented himself when he is asked to respond to a question he has not rehearsed for. The awful amount of situations not doing a "presidents" job.
The "evidence" used for Irak.
The decline in pay and medicare for the soldiers while going on war to Irak.
The + costs billing schemes used for companies contracted by the military like Halliburton and subsidiaries.
The over prized billing of large companies and then using cheap subcontractors for the actual work to be done and making insane amount of profits.
The slipping in of useless military material in contracts for the Carlyle group.
The family connections with the Bin Ladens.
The money Bush needed and got from the Saudi's in times of crisis and even while being a president.
The patriot act.

This is just a few examples.
I have been doing a lot of research on it, and it is staggering and mind blowing. It all is a bit to much of a coincidence. It really is a situation where friends help friends get richer, nothing more. But with a total lack of morality it seems. Not even a "let's create a better world" notion. Because if there is no money to be earned, everything can happen in a country without help from a certain group of individuals. Remember Kuwait and the swift reaction of Bush senior ?

My mind can't or won't work that way... IOW, I confine my thinking to the issue. In this case the 9/11 events. I don't look to assign motive or attribute prior or future consistent behavior to the physical events of that day.
In my thinking four aircraft did some interesting things... following that some other amazing things occurred... And then I'm told who did it long before I could start to even think of the who.. They even found a couple of their passports in the area so it had to be correctly determined. I'm still at the stage of trying to figure out how a light post hit by a 530 mph jet could only puncture a taxi cab's window and not scratch the cab's hood... let alone not send the cab into convulsions....
 
I've really to digest what you've said here and give it the respect due it because of the time you took to post it... but in the mean time this is my argument about the Towers... It is a paper by a fellow who teaches Physics and Math and his reasoning seems solid and his math and its application to the issue is logical. I just got this from a friend and read it once... So... 🙂

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf


I don't maintain that Bush or anyone did or caused to happen anything. I simply see what looks to me like an elephant flying... and wonder how... Why the elephant apparently chose to fly is a topic that can't rightly be addressed until I'm sure it is an elephant and it is flying... 😱

I must keep on stressing that all those reports and models base the idea on that the connection between the inner and outer columns and trusses are of infinite strength. That is not the case. The visco elastic dampers alone make the building less stiff and strong. I would not even be surprised if some form of resonance (bouncing or rebounding floors )could be found when the collapse took place. Thinking of the number of 10.000 for WTC1 and WTC 2 each would mean 100 of these dampers per floor. All this has to be accounted for in those models. And i have no desire to read the FEMA or the NIST report, but if these devices where not mentioned, you must ask yourself how and why is this not mentioned ?

Another thing is that material have been found that resembles products found in burned thermite. The funny thing is all these products can be found in concrete. Now concrete differs from composition to composition, from company to company. But alumimum, sulfur, iron, copper and what more can be found in concrete.

http://www.lmcc.com/concrete_news/0507/life_of_a_cement_grain.asp

http://cementamericas.com/mag/cement_cement_concrete_environment/

The process of making cement also uses waste materials. Scrap tires have high energy content and supplement coal as fuel. And, industrial byproducts such as ash from coal combustion, fly ash from power stations, and mill scale and foundry sand from steel casting provide the silica, calcium, alumina and iron needed for making cement. Even kiln dust, a solid waste generated by cement manufacturing, is often recycled back into the kiln as a raw material.

If for example coal fly ash is used for the production of concrete, there can be some radioactivity found. This can explain that some people claim to have discovered weak nuclear radiation during the clean up.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

Over the past few decades, however, a series of studies has called these stereotypes into question. Among the surprising conclusions: the waste produced by coal plants is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy. * [See Editor's Note at end of page 2]

At issue is coal's content of uranium and thorium, both radioactive elements. They occur in such trace amounts in natural, or "whole," coal that they aren't a problem. But when coal is burned into fly ash, uranium and thorium are concentrated at up to 10 times their original levels.

It is all explainable but diverges the interest to what is really going on.
I have mentioned this before because i find it such a wonderful example :
The under the table promoting of UFO sightings to hide the SR-71. ^_^


Believe me, i am a bit like the character Fox Mulder from the X-files series. With the difference that i do not find aliens or mutated vampirical serial killers.
 
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Another thing is that material have been found that resembles products found in burned thermite. The funny thing is all these products can be found in concrete. Now concrete differs from composition to composition, from company to company. But alumimum, sulfur, iron, copper and what more can be found in concrete.

http://www.lmcc.com/concrete_news/0507/life_of_a_cement_grain.asp

http://cementamericas.com/mag/cement_cement_concrete_environment/



If for example coal fly ash is used for the production of concrete, there can be some radioactivity found. This can explain that some people claim to have discovered weak nuclear radiation during the clean up.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste

I try hard not to link one thing with another and use that as proof of the other... Unless it is.
Regarding the nano-thermite or as Moonbeam calls it, "Termites", the questions I have or I should say what seems odd to me is this...

Iron micro spheres... Now for the sake of this bit let's assume that they did find that in the dust taken from various places [with a sworn chain of custody] and also found by at least three independent and government agencies.
You must have molten iron exposed to the atmosphere which provides surface tension to all 'liquid' to form round thingi or spheres. Billions of them is the estimate they extrapolate to from what they found or tons... but that is another debate. You can get Iron Spheres a few ways, I suppose, but at least one way is through the process of igniting nano-thermite. My wonderment is regarding the heat source to create the molten iron. Was there enough heat from any source remotely expected from the airline impact and subsequent fires? And if there was from the crush down theory would that not be another energy sink that ought to diminish the energy associated with the crush down theory of the collapse? And if not then where did it - the heat - come from way up top and all the way down given the 'samples' came from various locations.
Unactivated Nano-Thermite... A few folks banded together to write a paper describing a substance found in the samples tested to be consistent with unactivated Nano-Thermite. They heated the unactivated (as they call it) to the point of flash or explosion... I think it was ~ 400c. This test indicated the substance was consistent with actual controlled Nano-Thermite flash testing and it produced Molten Iron spheres.
Molten something at the base of the towers and building Seven... What made this occur. There are enough eye witnesses and they found that mysterious 'big ball of previous molten stuff'. They also have the satellite gizmo indicating a surface temperature many days later and after rain and other fire reduction methods was applied to the area meaning to me that if the surface in certain places was that hot it must have been way hotter down at the bottom. Where did that heat come from to initiate that condition that persisted for months?

Folks can logic in any form they wish but if it is true that they found what they said they found then I can think of no other condition that ties all of that together as neatly as Nano-Thermite was ignited. Concrete might have stuff in it consistent with the argument so might other stuff found in the buildings. But one thing for sure... paint don't explode at 400c.
An interesting aside for me is... and given I thought about your profer... Imagine there was product consistent with nano-thermite in concrete and other stuff in the WTC complex... and as a result of the collapses the chemistry found its way together in the nano stage and actually caused the explosions that hurled stuff hither and yon... has to be nano though.. cuz of the electron leap has to have molecule consistency to make the boom product or the heat only product or both that powerful... depending.

EDIT: I'm still working on the connectors or dampers you referenced.. I've not dismissed that. I simply don't yet understand it all and need time to respond because without 'as built' drawings I have to infer from something else.
 
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It is all explainable but diverges the interest to what is really going on.
I have mentioned this before because i find it such a wonderful example :
The under the table promoting of UFO sightings to hide the SR-71. ^_^


Believe me, i am a bit like the character Fox Mulder from the X-files series. With the difference that i do not find aliens or mutated vampirical serial killers.

I don't really accept that UFOs are alien beings visiting us (again) to find out if we finally destroyed our civilization or mutated to be more like them...()🙂 They are whatever they are that is earthly in their origin. Simply unexplained up to that point.

I don't mind debating those kinds of issues but always find myself in a battle of wits with the unarmed. Leaps of logic come to mind about Vampires and Ghouls, etc. Reminds me of the Salem Witch Hunts...

I never presume I know what I don't know and adopt the position that the only thing I do know for sure is that I don't know anything for sure (Socrates via Plato). We can't be sure about what we'll learn tomorrow but what we've learned thus far seems to point in reasonable directions subject to interpretation of the data... always a nice debate, it seems.

Applying that to the phenomenon that is this thread ought to provide more than "I'm right and you're an Idiot if you don't agree" kind of dialog. The government is charged and empowered to protect us from those who'd seek to control us and from ourselves it seems. In the furtherance of this ideal they lie, cheat, suborn, and create all manner of red herring information... So I look to what IS without question... if that is possible. I move on from there... often without conclusion but it is the pass time I enjoy. I try very hard to remain true to what seems real and what seems possible and not confuse them...
 
True. And do not forget about that some parts of a plane is made of thin parts of titanium and thin sheets of aluminum of 5 millimeter(1/5 inch) thickness. Compare that to a building with steel columns of several inches thick. It is not strange there is not an entire plane to be found. People see a plane and think it is a solid based on it's size. But if a 747 would be solid, it would be to heavy to fly. But then again, when come crashing in, it is all about kinetic energy. And those engines and a big part of the fuselage are pretty solid. A plane is incredibly strong when it comes to flying. But is really weak when it hits something. Do some research on the modern planes how thick the material used is. ^_^

There is a rather big difference between flying an aircraft into a mountain at 470 mph and having that aircraft 'fall' out of the sky from 30,000 feet. With air resistance the aircraft simply falling meets enough air resistance to provide a terminal velocity that enables rather large bits to result whereas flying the craft into something at that 470 ought to result in substantially smaller bits except for some components that are of such density they will remain somewhat intact at much greater gforce conditions. The engines and landing gear for instance and them 'black' boxes that can withstand 3600g. BTW, as you no doubt know, the gear is not simply steel it contains molybdenum.. and the friction heat of a crash could cause ignition of that substance and create heat of over 4000f... :hmm: Anyhow, I did not see nor hear of anyone who indicated they found those bits at the Pa crash site... yet anyhow.
 
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I am sure it was.

But this information i have from people who's hobby is to collect information and material from the second world war and before for years. Having warehouses full of material and historical facts. Also facts that are not pleasant to know. And they are not biased, they collect from every country.

Since I've not the experience you have regarding this I'll simply state that in my experience personally I am not aware of the totality of this condition... bits and pieces sure but for the time being I'll defer to you on this.
 
There is a rather big difference between flying an aircraft into a mountain at 470 mph and having that aircraft 'fall' out of the sky from 30,000 feet. With air resistance the aircraft simply falling meets enough air resistance to provide a terminal velocity that enables rather large bits to result whereas flying the craft into something at that 470 ought to result in substantially smaller bits except for some components that are of such density they will remain somewhat intact at much greater gforce conditions. The engines and landing gear for instance and them 'black' boxes that can withstand 3600g. BTW, as you no doubt know, the gear is not simply steel it contains molybdenum.. and the friction heat of a crash could cause ignition of that substance and create heat of over 4000f... :hmm: Anyhow, I did not see nor hear of anyone who indicated they found those bits at the Pa crash site... yet anyhow.
Your post might have some relevance if the aircraft had "fallen" in a flat spin; the evidence indicates that it was rather in a steep dive, in which a commercial airliner can attain a terminal speed far in excess of the 470 kts you cite...
 
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The MAIN REASON for the actual collapse of 1/2 was the structural weakening , the whole upper third of the building(s) falling/collapsing downwards and then ONTO EACH OTHER in sort of a domino effect

Citing amateurs who hear those noises and say "i know an explosion if i hear one" is HARDLY evidence..how many new yorkers did hear a skyscraper collapse before in their life? Would you rather say that it would cause NO SOUNDS AT ALL (in the seconds before the actual structure collapses) with all the floors collapsing onto each other, gas lines exploding or whatever? I would actually be very surprised if it would NOT cause "explosion like" sounds.

I maintain that you can't crush down the lower bit by dropping the much smaller upper bit of the same kind of structure on to it. Not to mention that the lower bit was much more massive than the upper bit. It is easier to visualize using the tower with the antenna atop.. the first building hit by the plane. A 15 story block simply can't do that in my opinion. Bazant (or like that) has his crush down theory that fails to account (as I see it) for Newton's laws and the video of the event. The upper bit was crushed and Newton demands that... Not at the bottom but starting from the very first contact... equal and opposite. IF the collision was elastic it would provide a difference than if it was inelastic but in neither case can it be a one way crush down...
 
Your post might have some relevance if the aircraft had "fallen" in a flat spin; the evidence indicates that it was rather in a steep dive, in which a commercial airliner can attain a terminal speed far in excess of the 470 kts you cite...

Joe, I'd expect the aircraft was under power when it met earth. The result should be lots of bits and pieces but the engines and gear should remain more or less large and the black boxes should withstand greater forces (3600g) before any data loss could occur.

I was drawing a distinction twixt a powered dive and a fall and the resulting bits that should be found... large if a simple fall and little if under power... a human body has max terminal velocity of near 130 mph... but put a jet pack on him and it would be much faster.. I don't disagree with you...
 
There is a rather big difference between flying an aircraft into a mountain at 470 mph and having that aircraft 'fall' out of the sky from 30,000 feet. With air resistance the aircraft simply falling meets enough air resistance to provide a terminal velocity that enables rather large bits to result whereas flying the craft into something at that 470 ought to result in substantially smaller bits except for some components that are of such density they will remain somewhat intact at much greater gforce conditions. The engines and landing gear for instance and them 'black' boxes that can withstand 3600g. BTW, as you no doubt know, the gear is not simply steel it contains molybdenum.. and the friction heat of a crash could cause ignition of that substance and create heat of over 4000f... :hmm: Anyhow, I did not see nor hear of anyone who indicated they found those bits at the Pa crash site... yet anyhow.

Actually in all honesty, i did not. Thank you. I will research on this about molybdenum.

Forgot about something. Depleted uranium is used as counterweights as well in airplanes. Maybe that is some part of the story as well.

EDIT :

Found a funny story :
http://www.greenchipstocks.com/arti...al-that-could-have-saved-the-twin-towers/1004
 
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Actually in all honesty, i did not. Thank you. I will research on this about molybdenum.

Forgot about something. Depleted uranium is used as counterweights as well in airplanes. Maybe that is some part of the story as well.

I was on board Oriskany in '67 waiting a COD to DaNang when a flare locker lit off... It was on the hanger bay and it dang near sunk the ship..
Molybdenum provides its own Oxygen so it burns underwater etc.. just like Nano-Thermite... and hot... real hot.. I witnessed it burn through steel like the steel was butter... and it proceeded down to near an ammo compartment... they lost (I was not part of Ships Company) a few folks by flooding the compartments...
Anyway, I know landing gear is or was made up of Chrome/Molybdenum and Titanium and other stuff, I'm sure. What I don't know for sure is IF that or those aircraft had gear made of enough Molybdenum nor if a crash could 'spark' the molybdenum to go off.

Depleted Uranium... that is mostly U238 as I recall... very dense and I'd not think it could be disbursed in any manner... but it should be easy to locate, I'd think.
 
I was on board Oriskany in '67 waiting a COD to DaNang when a flare locker lit off... It was on the hanger bay and it dang near sunk the ship..
Molybdenum provides its own Oxygen so it burns underwater etc.. just like Nano-Thermite... and hot... real hot.. I witnessed it burn through steel like the steel was butter... and it proceeded down to near an ammo compartment... they lost (I was not part of Ships Company) a few folks by flooding the compartments...
Anyway, I know landing gear is or was made up of Chrome/Molybdenum and Titanium and other stuff, I'm sure. What I don't know for sure is IF that or those aircraft had gear made of enough Molybdenum nor if a crash could 'spark' the molybdenum to go off.

Depleted Uranium... that is mostly U238 as I recall... very dense and I'd not think it could be disbursed in any manner... but it should be easy to locate, I'd think.

Interesting history. Thank you.
I would ask the question, the molybdenum would be in trace amounts used in alloy yes ? Would it still work ? Would you not need molybdenum in a minimum amount ?

EDIT :

You mentioned paint, it seems molybdenum has been used in paints pigment.

http://www.pdac.ca/pdac/industry/minerals-minerals-metallic.html

Molybdenum
The two largest uses of molybdenum are as an alloy in stainless steels and in alloy steels. Stainless steels have the strength and corrosion-resistant requirements for water distribution systems, food handling equipment, chemical processing equipment, home, hospital, and laboratory requirements. Alloy steels arestronger and tougher steels needed to make automotive parts, construction equipment, and gas transmission pipes. Other major uses as an alloy include: tool steels, bearings, dies, machining components; cast irons, for steel mill rolls, auto parts, crusher parts; super alloys for use in furnace parts, gas turbine parts, and chemical processing equipment. Molybdenum is also used in the chemicals and lubricant industries. Molybdenum has uses as catalysts, paint pigments, corrosion inhibitors, smoke and flame retardants, dry lubricants, on space vehicles and it is resistant to high loads and temperatures. As a pure metal, molybdenum is used because of its high melting temperatures (4,730 F.) as filament supports in light bulbs, metal-working dies and furnace parts.

The bolded part is interesting too.
http://www.mii.org/Minerals/photomoly.html
 
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Interesting bit that is... I didn't know that the steel in the WTC Towers did not contain Molybdenum... they normally use it, though, in construction endevors... wonder why not in WTC... hmmmmm. Now I've to go try and find the UA reports on the steel tests they did for the WTC... I think they did the tests for the engineering reports.. a typical need before construction...
However, even if the steel weakened at 1100f to the point of thermal expansion it don't alter the (assumed) fact that you can't crush down one way the bit above into the bit below of similar structures without the bit above being destroyed in the process...
 
Interesting bit that is... I didn't know that the steel in the WTC Towers did not contain Molybdenum... they normally use it, though, in construction endevors... wonder why not in WTC... hmmmmm. Now I've to go try and find the UA reports on the steel tests they did for the WTC... I think they did the tests for the engineering reports.. a typical need before construction...
However, even if the steel weakened at 1100f to the point of thermal expansion it don't alter the (assumed) fact that you can't crush down one way the bit above into the bit below of similar structures without the bit above being destroyed in the process...

Well, there is one more theory that is possible. Maybe the iron that was used was not up to specifications as sold.
 
Molybdenum is a metal; it cannot "provide its own oxygen".

Joe, not being argumentative but from my memory at elevated temperatures molybdenum trioxide is formed. IOW my understanding is that it creates its own needed oxygen and does burn underwater. I think it ignites are around 1100f. Edit: Not pure Molybdenum but the compound they use in construction of stuff... is what I'm speaking to..

BUT>>>>>>>>> !!! I mistakenly said Molybdenum flare locker in a previous post about the USS Oriskany when I meant Magnesium...

Actually, I also meant to indicate I though Magnesium was also used in Aircraft wheel assemblies.

Must be getting old when I mix up those two.. Sorry..
 
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Joe, not being argumentative but from my memory at elevated temperatures molybdenum trioxide is formed. IOW my understanding is that it creates its own needed oxygen and does burn underwater. I think it ignites are around 1100f.
BUT>>>>>>>>> !!! I mistakenly said Molybdenum flare locker in a previous post about the USS Oriskany when I meant Magnesium...
Actually, I also meant to indicate I though Magnesium was also used in Aircraft wheel assemblies.
Must be getting old when I mix up those two.. Sorry..
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to point out basic facts.
Molybdenum in steel alloys would be pure metallic molybdenum, not an oxide, and would not be present in sufficient fraction to support combustion.
Magnesium is indeed widely used in aircraft wheel assemblies. It's difficult to ignite a solid piece of magnesium, which is why they use powdered magnesium in flares.
 
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