Audio of the explosives which brought down WTC 7

[PeshakJang]

I'd love to see someone actually address the evidence presented in the OP, but it seems nobody is willing to do so.

It was a sonic boom from one of the fighter jets that was patrolling the sky that day.

That's what it was. Prove me wrong.

 

[kylebisme]

Do you know what a failing building actually sounds like when it collapses?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKeENdyIluI

I've actually seen that exact video before. Do you know what traditional controlled demolitions look and sound like? You can review some examples here.

Now allow for the speed of sound, as the interview was very far away...

Accounting for the speed of sound reveals the fact that the sequence of booms was even further behind the fall of the building than what it would seem if you ignore such factors, since sound travels much slower than light. Were the sound coming from the building collapsing as you suggest, the sound wouldn't have reached the mic until a couple seconds after one can see the building start to come down.

 

[kylebisme]

It was a sonic boom from one of the fighter jets that was patrolling the sky that day.

That's what it was. Prove me wrong.

That's simple, as there were nine booms in quick succession, which one can't rightly attribute to a single fighter jet.

 

[PeshakJang]

That's simple, as there were nine booms in quick succession, which one can't rightly attribute to a single fighter jet.

There were several jets, and the sounds echoed off the many buildings in the area.

I want mathematical proof that it couldn't have possibly been that, otherwise that's what it was.

 

[Craig234]

you just gotta admit the timing was perfectly convinient. You had enron absolutely skull fucking california for billions.

His approval rating was something like 30%

He had no valid reason to invade Iraq.

then randomly a gift from Allah appear and now we have a new pipline in afghanistant and acess to Iraqi oil and infastructure contracts.

we how could this have not worked any better.

to determine the reason behind a crime motive must first be established. the motive in this case was

Oil

It wasn't just oil, the reasons were laid out by PNAC in their document arguing for the US to benefit from a Middle Eastern war in the Middle East and their letter to Clinton pushing him to use force against Saddam. Bush's name was on the Oval Office, but PNAC was the government, pretty much.

Yes, there was a big motive - the political success of both the Bush Presidency and the right-wing agenda.

But the conspiratorial question it might raise is whether the Bush administration thought that letting the terrorists get an attack on America they could rally around, just as the US public had been against entering WWII until Pearl Harbor - the PNAC people themselves said earlier that a 'Pearl Harbor-like incident' would be the best way for them to accelerate their desire for the US to use force in the Middle East - and they relaxed the measures to prevent an attack for that reason. It's a far cry from planting explosives.

A poster asked the question, if they planted explosives, why fly planes into the buildings?

I think that's backwards; if they were part of a conspiracy to not do much about the planes flying into the building, whether or not aware of the plot, why jeopardize their whole movement to become the most treasonous in history with the risk of getting caught for a conspiracy themselves to plant explosives, when the the 'benefit' of the attack for them was done with just the plan attacks and the explosives added largely nothing?

I'd rather someone care about the issue and get it wrong, like Kyle IMO, than someone ignorantly not care and just say there's nothing to it and let the government be able to do something like that without getting caught, which invites it to do more and more things it thinks it can get away with. But that's not to say I don't think Kyle goes beyond that into one who unfortunately makes big errors in buying into the wrong theories.

 

[Greenman]

you just gotta admit the timing was perfectly convinient. You had enron absolutely skull fucking california for billions.

His approval rating was something like 30%

He had no valid reason to invade Iraq.

then randomly a gift from Allah appear and now we have a new pipline in afghanistant and acess to Iraqi oil and infastructure contracts.

we how could this have not worked any better.

to determine the reason behind a crime motive must first be established. the motive in this case was

Oil

All very well and good. Stand all of that against the fact that the USA has vast amounts of oil available and you have to wonder why he would take such a risk. There are far less expensive and convoluted methods of getting oil than an enormous conspiracy involving thousands of murders, tens of thousands of people and two wars. The easy answer would have been to drill a hole in ANWR.

 

[Atreus21]

They ever find the second gunman?

 

[spacejamz]

 

[Cogman]

They ever find the second gunman?

He was on the lunar rover!

 

[xj0hnx]

As long as you insist didn't take any explosives at all, you can't rightly argue that even a little bit of explosives planted during the elevator renovations couldn't have been used to insure the buildings came down. That said, it took a lot.

Yes, it would have taken a lot, with C4 several hundred pounds, probably 600-1000 per floor that had demo.

 

[Cogman]

Yes, it would have taken a lot, with C4 several hundred pounds, probably 600-1000 per floor that had demo.

And yet, somehow this explosion went off without anyone seeing anything! Amazing! Maybe they were implosive devices using EMF with nano-thermite shells!

 

[spacejamz]

you just gotta admit the timing was perfectly convinient. You had enron absolutely skull fucking california for billions.

His approval rating was something like 30%

He had no valid reason to invade Iraq.

then randomly a gift from Allah appear and now we have a new pipline in afghanistant and acess to Iraqi oil and infastructure contracts.

we how could this have not worked any better.

to determine the reason behind a crime motive must first be established. the motive in this case was

Oil

So the same president who you lefties say can't even tie his shoe and chew bubblegum at the same time somehow masterminded a conspiracy of this magnitude?

Guess there is no Logic Fail there...

 

[FuzzyBee]

If "they" had enough power to bring down these buildings under the guise of radical Muslims flying jumbo jets into them, "they" would also have enough power to make folks like you go away.

 

[Number1]

The OP is living proof that stupid can't be fixed. He has been doing it for years and he will continue until he dies.

 

[spacejamz]

The OP is living proof that stupid can't be fixed. He has been doing it for years and he will continue until he dies.

he must be a hit at all the parties he goes to....the room must be captivated by all of his knowledge of physics and all...

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

These recorded sounds sound nothing like explosions. More likely it's the sound of the internal structure collapsing that preceeded the external collapse. Of course, that's conjecture too because ultimately the only thing that can be stated is that SOEMTHING happened but those recorded sounds aren't proof of a damned thing. It's the very kind of flaky evidence that the stupor-troofers glom onto and jump to outlandish conclusions about though, which demonstrates why anyone with even the least amount of brain matter should never take them or their claims seriously. They are nucking futzballs.

 

[Brainonska511]

If "they" had enough power to bring down these buildings under the guise of radical Muslims flying jumbo jets into them, "they" would also have enough power to make folks like you go away.

"They" ran out of money. The OP is on a waiting list.

 

[Drako]

This loon crap never ceases to amaze me.

The righty loons have the "Birthers", and the lefty loons have the "Truthers".

They just never give up.

 

[First]

And the audio evidence is nowhere near conclusive of anything other than the voices in your head, and you couldn't prove otherwise if your life depended on it (and, of course, won't attempt to here as per your MO).

A sage I am.

 

[ModestGamer]

All very well and good. Stand all of that against the fact that the USA has vast amounts of oil available and you have to wonder why he would take such a risk. There are far less expensive and convoluted methods of getting oil than an enormous conspiracy involving thousands of murders, tens of thousands of people and two wars. The easy answer would have been to drill a hole in ANWR.

If you use up everyone else oil first. Who holds the chips at the end of the day.

Look past the end of your nose.

 

[MotF Bane]

I was having a pretty bad day. Thank you, Kyle, you have brought lulz into it.

 

[ModestGamer]

So the same president who you lefties say can't even tie his shoe and chew bubblegum at the same time somehow masterminded a conspiracy of this magnitude?

Guess there is no Logic Fail there...

I just thought the guy was a misguided moron. stupid ?? not really. but a moron. yep.I would hardly call myself a lefty. Far from it.

 

[ModestGamer]

Well they might have just let it happen. More then likely. If someone did plant exsplosives it was more about finishing the job. There would be little evidence to support such a conclusion given such a dramatic collapse would occur.

but thats going way out there.

I am more along the thinking of. they let it happen becuase it benefited there own self interest.

why get your hands dirty when someone else is willing to do it for you.

It wasn't just oil, the reasons were laid out by PNAC in their document arguing for the US to benefit from a Middle Eastern war in the Middle East and their letter to Clinton pushing him to use force against Saddam. Bush's name was on the Oval Office, but PNAC was the government, pretty much.

Yes, there was a big motive - the political success of both the Bush Presidency and the right-wing agenda.

But the conspiratorial question it might raise is whether the Bush administration thought that letting the terrorists get an attack on America they could rally around, just as the US public had been against entering WWII until Pearl Harbor - the PNAC people themselves said earlier that a 'Pearl Harbor-like incident' would be the best way for them to accelerate their desire for the US to use force in the Middle East - and they relaxed the measures to prevent an attack for that reason. It's a far cry from planting explosives.

A poster asked the question, if they planted explosives, why fly planes into the buildings?

I think that's backwards; if they were part of a conspiracy to not do much about the planes flying into the building, whether or not aware of the plot, why jeopardize their whole movement to become the most treasonous in history with the risk of getting caught for a conspiracy themselves to plant explosives, when the the 'benefit' of the attack for them was done with just the plan attacks and the explosives added largely nothing?

I'd rather someone care about the issue and get it wrong, like Kyle IMO, than someone ignorantly not care and just say there's nothing to it and let the government be able to do something like that without getting caught, which invites it to do more and more things it thinks it can get away with. But that's not to say I don't think Kyle goes beyond that into one who unfortunately makes big errors in buying into the wrong theories.

 

[spacejamz]

I just thought the guy was a misguided moron. stupid ?? not really. but a moron. yep.I would hardly call myself a lefty. Far from it.

it wouldn't be too difficult to sift through various threads here to see that many lefties accuse dubya of being an incompetent moron who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn...

if u rn't a lefty, my apologies....

 

[Sclamoz]

Civil war in Afghanistan (1996–2001):

Yes, that was when he was fighting. Congratulations on your discovery.

I'm quite certain the CIA wasn't backing the same side as Russia and Iran. Also, that discussion on the iron-rich microspheres you linked is outdated by the discovery of underacted nano-thermite in the dust, and I've yet to see anyone offer a better explanation for the sequence of boobs.

Really? So we weren't allied with Massoud and the Northern Alliance? You've figured this out simply based on the fact Russia and Iran might have been on the same side us despite the overwhelming evidence that proves we were supporting the NA. Gee, this is reminding me of another sitution just like that...oh yeah, your dumbass 9/11 truther theories!

You asked about Iron microspheres so I provided you an explanation of where they came from. Now you say its outdated because someone found nano-thermite (wasn't it super thermite last time lol?)... Guess what? The nano-thermite is nothing more than fucking paint chips you moron. Yes, the scientist found paint chips in the dust after 9/11. Get over it.