Attitude and Change in the Garage as of late

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Gillbot

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Ok, there has been an inrush of "different" users in the garage lately with trolling and subtle attacks getting out of hand. Frankly, I'm tired of reviewing reported posts and fielding countless PM's about certain members. You know who you are so don't play coy and innocent.

This is everyone's ONE warning.... My patience is wearing VERY thin lately....
KNOCK off the trolling and subtle hints, lame posts and other bullcrap or it will end in vacations.
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Bartman39

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Ok, there has been an inrush of "different" users in the garage lately with trolling and subtle attacks getting out of hand. Frankly, I'm tired of reviewing reported posts and fielding countless PM's about certain members. You know who you are so don't play coy and innocent.

This is everyone's ONE warning.... My patience is wearing VERY thin lately....
KNOCK off the trolling and subtle hints, lame posts and other bullcrap or it will end in vacations.
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Gillbot

Just to add we have all (the staff) have noticed this issue and have taken note of it... If things continue this way vacations are not the only action that can be taken (you can be banned from the garage permanently)... The garage forum is just that... "the garage" not a playground full of little kids that like to play games its there for people to discuss issues of a mechanical nature or automotive related field... It can be a in a fun nature but not at someone's expense...

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alfa147x

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Awesome. While we are talking about ATG issues how these:
1) Cleaning up bad advice. No more max PSI tires. People can get hurt / killed by bad advice. I'm just talking about the more obvious ones.

2) Consolidating threads about one vehicle. No need for 5 threads on one car all in a two week timespan.
 

FuzzyDunlop

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Awesome. While we are talking about ATG issues how these:
1) Cleaning up bad advice. No more max PSI tires. People can get hurt / killed by bad advice. I'm just talking about the more obvious ones.

2) Consolidating threads about one vehicle. No need for 5 threads on one car all in a two week timespan
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THIS! please! I have been holding my toungue about it till now. I dont understand the purpose of having 20 different threads bragging about the same damn car. Its just become so blatantly obvious and annoying. It has become a game; a new form of trolling. And the game is: make a a dozen different threads about the same thing but disguise them as individual topics, then call out anybody who tries to point out the fact that the threads are ALL about the same damn thing. Its childish, and pathetic, and Im sick of it.
 
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Gillbot

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The problem is, while you guys may not like it, there really isn't a rule against it. We are really stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to balance what everyone wants.

I just suggest that before hitting the report post button, or PM'ing your favorite garage mod, think about what CAN be done. Remember, if there is a certain poster that annoys you, there is an ignore feature. Also, if someone attacks or annoys you, do not respond in kind or you will find yourself in trouble as well. REPORT POST, calmly explain with facts and links if needed and it will be dealt with if the staff feels appropriate to do so.

Simply reporting every post or thread from certain members because they annoy you will not paint you in a positive light with us. We have to sort through thread after thread and post after post only to find nothing really action worthy, it doesn't make us happy I assure you.

tl;dr cliffs
1) Don't attack back
2) report post ONLY if needed
3) ignore
4) profit?
 

alfa147x

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Mods can make rules! ;)

We can't really use the ignore feature: Just because we don't like one person's mass posts about one vehicle in a short period of time doesn't mean we don't like to be entertained by their threads in ATOT or All Things Apple.

It's easier to glance over and ignore 1 or 2 threads but after a couple it just gets annoying.
 
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Ignoring them doesn’t work.. The way these few posters go about their trolling completely derails the thread, -and since the ignore feature only removes that OP's post and not the people quoting him it's more of a hindrance than anything. Even more confusing is that if you use tapatalk it doesn't show their post at all (rather than showing it but flagged as 'ignored') so you just see the quarreling back and forth and have no idea what started it... So you just leave the thread without helping since it's just not worth the drama.

Furthermore, once the troll has done this most of the regulars have been crapped on or called out by troll and the thread is essentially dead - so the OP doesn't get their question answered since the regulars won't (can't) reply to the troll and thus just avoid the threads that have been derailed.



Without specifically calling out the members doing this, it's always a carefully worded first post that derails the entire thread. Take a look at the Audi R8 billboard thread, and see if you can pick out the post that caused it. These same few posters use the exact same 'derailment topics' (their specific car we're all beyond sick of hearing about, or the difference between US and UK vehicles) and get the EXACT same results every single time. In OT or even the tech sections of our forum this isn't a huge deal and can actually promote discussion. Specifically in the garage it ends up diluting the content and resulting in our regulars not participating and helping. This is, to me, a very sad thing.


All of this being said, these few select posters have gotten so bad lately that they've created an atmosphere for themselves where it's clear that we don't want them here in the garage. No one wants to see their posts, even if legit, after all the baiting and harassment and talking down of our extremely helpful regular members. They've shown a pattern of providing no substance and only using the garage as their trolling playhouse, so when they actually need some help they're essentially run off.



Now, the real issue is how to deal with it. In my opinion these specific posters do need to be watched closer than the other members, and TRULY punished when they obviously derail a thread... A 2 week+++ ban from ATG every time a thread is even seemingly intentionally derailed would put a stop to it quickly and more importantly force them to stop this trollish posting style.




I feel like the current solution of making everyone else ignore the one troll is similar to telling a bunch of high schooler to ignore a bully. It just won’t work.. We have too many members that come in and out who just don’t know about it, and too many regulars who are fed up with it.







In my personal opinion
these 1 (or 2) specific trolls should be banned from ATG, decided on by either the mods outright or a vote by a few of the regulars (jlee, dunlop, I know I'm missing a bunch but we have 10-15 really good regular posters that could serve as 'board members' or something for the vote).


There is nothing at all wrong with our moderation or posting styles, nothing wrong with our content, language, or anything else. This is a great place and I think it would be a terrible thing to say we "have to stay 100% on topic" like L&R or create ANY other 'rules' just to stop these few select people from ruining the forum.


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Awesome. While we are talking about ATG issues how these:
1) Cleaning up bad advice. No more max PSI tires. People can get hurt / killed by bad advice. I'm just talking about the more obvious ones.

2) Consolidating threads about one vehicle. No need for 5 threads on one car all in a two week timespan.


I very much agree with both of these, although #2 is only an issue with one person so I don't think we should create a board rule over it.


Now #1 is a big deal, the max PSI thing was a perfect example. There were threads where someone truly might think that would be a good idea. My solution was for the mods to put a warning in his sig that his ATG advice is not safe to follow.
 

MotF Bane

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The problem is, while you guys may not like it, there really isn't a rule against it. We are really stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to balance what everyone wants.

1) If a mod makes a decree, as ZV did about three weeks ago, that can be considered a rule IMO. Thus, grounds to report for the criteria he gave. Now, you can (and did) override that, but I believe you understand what I'm getting at here. And you can add other rules if you want to deal with the mess.

2) It's a privately owned forum. You don't actually need rules (and besides, trolling is on the rule list) to remove a member from posting if they're causing a problem. Now, maybe you think it isn't fair to get rid of someone because nobody likes them... but then again, if everyone thinks they're a troll, there's probably some merit to the collective opinion.

3) Ignore only works if everyone actually uses it, otherwise, somebody still responds, still quotes them, and it expands until the whole thread inevitably derails.

4) Finally, I agree with everything SpatiallyAware said, and would second his motions for taking more aggressive approaches to countering trolls, and definitely the idea of having a small vote, either by mods or regular members, to remove certain members from ATG.
 

Gillbot

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Trust me guys, we are working towards a solution that will benefit everyone. I just need everyone to keep their heads on straight and be patient with us. THis is not a small forum and with the many members and staffers, it takes some time to get everyone on the same page.
 

DaTT

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While I am not new to Anandtech, or the Garage forum, I have just started recently frequenting the ATG a lot more than I used to. It is a great forum with many helpful threads and knowledgeable people. I use OT more than anything here, so my posting mentality is as such....rather WAS. It took either a point or a warning (or both lol) for me to realize that this forum has stricter posting rules. I quickly learned to leave OT in OT and bring a different mentality here....although it is quite difficult sometimes. Sometimes you just have to grin and bear.

With that said I plan on hanging out here in the Garage quite a bit offering what help I can and asking for the help I need.
 

MotF Bane

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I haven't directly noticed any changes, but it's been more peaceful in here lately. Maybe warnings were issued behind the scenes.
 

Gillbot

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As I said, things here move slow. We encourage everyone to use their BEST judgement and report posts. If someone attacks you, DO NOT attack back but hit the report post button.

On the same note though, USE COMMON SENSE when using the report post button. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong. That report post may come back to bite you if you abuse it and we warn you for abusing it.

Now, behind the scenes, we are trying to establish more fair and consistent rules and ideas so bear with us. We hear your voices and we are trying, but with any colossal undertaking, it takes time.
 
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Is this more than the gold scientist and the Kubrick computer? I notice a certain pet pest container is referenced but he hasn't even been here for what over a year? Are there other people giving similarly bad advice?

I know people are trying to be vague, but beyond those two I haven't noticed anyone particularly bad and they are more than capable of it on their own.
 

MotF Bane

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Is this more than the gold scientist and the Kubrick computer? I notice a certain pet pest container is referenced but he hasn't even been here for what over a year? Are there other people giving similarly bad advice?

I know people are trying to be vague, but beyond those two I haven't noticed anyone particularly bad and they are more than capable of it on their own.

I believe just those two members are 99% of the problem.
 

MotF Bane

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As I said, things here move slow. We encourage everyone to use their BEST judgement and report posts. If someone attacks you, DO NOT attack back but hit the report post button.

On the same note though, USE COMMON SENSE when using the report post button. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong. That report post may come back to bite you if you abuse it and we warn you for abusing it.


Now, behind the scenes, we are trying to establish more fair and consistent rules and ideas so bear with us. We hear your voices and we are trying, but with any colossal undertaking, it takes time.

Unless, of course, one moderator says something is fine to report, but the other moderator doesn't know or doesn't agree, and then the sucker in the middle is the one with no way to know how the discussion went in the private bathroom.
 

madoka

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We hear your voices and we are trying, but with any colossal undertaking, it takes time.

I'll be blunt. It's obvious it's one or two guys that cause nearly all the problems. Ban them. See? Not so hard. The mods in garage remind of this quote from Ross Perot:

"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing."

You guys have become GM.
 

Gillbot

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I'll be blunt. It's obvious it's one or two guys that cause nearly all the problems. Ban them. See? Not so hard. The mods in garage remind of this quote from Ross Perot:

"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing."

You guys have become GM.

Unfortunately, I cannot deny that. However, you will soon learn that one cannot be a vigilante with a community and staff this large. Just keep that in mind.
 

alfa147x

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Unfortunately, I cannot deny that. However, you will soon learn that one cannot be a vigilante with a community and staff this large. Just keep that in mind.

If you guys would just give up and make me Tsar of Anandtech you wouldn't have these issues. :rolleyes: When will you guys learn... :colbert:
 
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