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Ity is simply amazing at how many people jump on the "Darwin" bandwagon when they do not even know what it means and the rest are using it out of context.
The facts are some driver made a fatal mistake that cost the lives of four other people. Shattering we do not how many more lives in friends and family. Would the girl be a welfare case or have some sort impact that would have contributed to society? What about all the males? Murders, junkies child molesters or doctors, children advocates, business men. Not one person here knows and anyone who says they do is just showing what heartless, closed minded selfish morally bankrupt socially inept people they are.
I know many people who made very bad decisions growing up. Some are now family men with a house and job from auto mechanics to corporate VP's.
I know people who never recovered from their bad decisions tearing apart families and some in cases leading to more death by parents anguished over the loss of a child then take their own life. If you have never suffered the loss of a loved then please do not tell me they are weak for their actions.
Many people here talk a big game but if life were to hit back hard I wonder how many of you would have the courage and fortitude to carry on say as like Funboy.
I am going to leave this thread to other peoples thoughts so quote me out loud and often as I am sure you will and flame away. Your responses will show your true charactor.
The facts are some driver made a fatal mistake that cost the lives of four other people. Shattering we do not how many more lives in friends and family. Would the girl be a welfare case or have some sort impact that would have contributed to society? What about all the males? Murders, junkies child molesters or doctors, children advocates, business men. Not one person here knows and anyone who says they do is just showing what heartless, closed minded selfish morally bankrupt socially inept people they are.
I know many people who made very bad decisions growing up. Some are now family men with a house and job from auto mechanics to corporate VP's.
I know people who never recovered from their bad decisions tearing apart families and some in cases leading to more death by parents anguished over the loss of a child then take their own life. If you have never suffered the loss of a loved then please do not tell me they are weak for their actions.
Many people here talk a big game but if life were to hit back hard I wonder how many of you would have the courage and fortitude to carry on say as like Funboy.
I am going to leave this thread to other peoples thoughts so quote me out loud and often as I am sure you will and flame away. Your responses will show your true charactor.
OMFG! teens smoking weed! what did you do as a teen, fap off to mom's "Woman's day" mags and attend young republicans club meetings??.
AbAbber2k
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""Not a reckless driver," Bulmer said. "He just didn't think all the time.""
Not reckless, just a fucking ritard. And as a result, he got 4 innocent people killed. Its a shame he's dead. He deserves to live a long full life in an iron lung constantly reliving the moment of his epic idiocy.
Not reckless, just a fucking ritard. And as a result, he got 4 innocent people killed. Its a shame he's dead. He deserves to live a long full life in an iron lung constantly reliving the moment of his epic idiocy.
A speeding ticket? No. "A number of violations including speeding tickets and running a stop sign" and driving with a suspended license? Yes.
I'm not going to say anything about the passengers. I know nothing about what happened in that car, whether they didn't know, knew and wanted him to try, or knew and wanted him to stop. All I know is what happened to the car, who controlled the car and what his history is like. Correlation may not equal causation, but seeing that he ran stop signs, I can see why he'd try to run this and lost.
QueBert
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Maybe because when I'm out driving most people drive like it's their first time behind the wheel. I'd bet any amount of money his driving was on par with MOST people. Which mean it was fucking horrible, but it's doubtful it was more noticable than the next persons shitty driving. Speeding and running stop signs are common place, if you're not a defense driver you're screwed. MOST drivers I see on the road should definitely have their license suspended and not be driving at all. This guy was obviously one of them, just one of them who got caught driving poorly more than once. It doesn't take many tickets to get your license taken away. It's not like he had 50 tickets. I know people who lost theirs after 3 tickets over a couple years.
And about my speculation vs theirs. They're speculating the others in the car were egging him on, and they somehow deserved to die. That's kind of different than what I'm doing.
BoberFett
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Originally posted by: jjsole
The real tragedy is that you have to bring your life's treadmarked baggage into a forum like this. Life must have been a bitch.
Bitter antisocial attention whores really deserve their own board, so if anyone has the audacity to post about anything on it, they can all trash the post, discredit the poster, and insult the responses, and in the process cowardly convincing themselves they're acquiring lots of 'manpoints'.
You have issues. Stop projecting.
And you know this how?, tell us, were you in the car to hear all the youths scream "GO FOR IT"?? Guess not, so that just makes you another ATOT blowhard, everyone knows this...
PieIsAwesome
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The girl was probably a whore, the male passengers probably gangsters, rapists, child abusers, puppy-kickers and druggies, and all the passengers probably encouraged the driver to try and beat the train and they all probably knew the driver had a history of traffic violations and a suspended license, and they were all probably capable of commandeering the car right before being hit by the train or at least distracting the driver enough to speed into something less deadly like a tree, so they all deserved to die.
EMPshockwave82
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Going around a stopped car and around a gate with flashing lights, they knew............
It's plainly visible in the video that the camera is at an angle to the crossing and that you cannot make the claim that the crossing was obstructed by the tree from what you see.
Do you live in this area? Maybe we can get someone from this location to let us know how poor the visibility is at this crossing from this direction.
I feel sorry for the parents of all 5 children that died. I feel sorry for any of the people in the car that attempted to get the driver to stop. I feel even more sorry for the crew of the train that could be suffering because of an idiots choice.
EMPshockwave82
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They will pull the tapes from the engine (nearly all engines that operate on main line track have image recorders and black box recorders).
They overlay the video with the history of all controls being manipulated in the cab of the engine. The investigators will be able to tell what speed the engine was going to within 0.1MPH, when the engineer began to blow the horn, how long the engineer blew the horn, when the bell began to ring, how far from the crossing the gates activated, how long they were down before the crossing was occupied by the engine, etc......
Doubtful they will get very far even if they attempt.
halik
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- Oct 10, 2000
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I've been wondering for a while about this - what are the fail safe/redundancy system on the gates and crossing lights? Defective crossing gate has a huge chance of turning into a fatality.
Does the engineer know when he's approaching a crossing with a defective gate?
Miramonti
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jjsole
The real tragedy is that you have to bring your life's treadmarked baggage into a forum like this. Life must have been a bitch.
Bitter antisocial attention whores really deserve their own board, so if anyone has the audacity to post about anything on it, they can all trash the post, discredit the poster, and insult the responses, and in the process cowardly convincing themselves they're acquiring lots of 'manpoints'.
You have issues. Stop projecting.
Sorry, meant to say the human race is stronger that these kids died and you've survived to this point. "Natural selection" at its finest!
EMPshockwave82
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Fail safe on gate systems are setup to drop the gates on a power loss automatically. They have battery backup systems that should last for 36 hours after a power loss (some of them even have solar panel chargers).
Also, the train dispatcher for the area should be alerted by a railroad employee in charge of the signaling system that there was a power outage and to issue a "stop and protect" order on those crossings in the area. That means that the train has to stop before entering the crossing, the conductor has to get off the engine and walk across ahead of the movement, make sure nothing is coming and command movement through the crossing, then get back on the locomotive.
Spot on answer here ^.
As a railroader, it's disgusting how many people take the chance on going through gates or not stopping at crossings that have stop signs.
Even more disgusting is the fact that many of them file suit and frequently make bank off of a settlement since the litigation process is so expensive.
Stop. Look. Listen. LIVE. It's cheesy, but my kids know that, any person of driving age should know it as well.
MovingTarget
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When approaching a blind intersection, why do people not slow the fuck down to see what's possibly coming their way? ESPECIALLY BLIND TRAIN CROSSINGS. Honestly, though, I feel bad for the 5 of them. Somebody didn't teach that kid how to properly drive and be alert.
Modelworks
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I have seem some crazy people do things like this where I live. About 2000ft from my front door is a major train crossing. It has two trains a day, 6:20 AM and 10:30PM . They always sound the horn, really annoying when you first move here till you get used to it. I have seen people go around the barrier before but luckily nobody has gotten hit. If they did it would be a disaster. The train is always loaded down with about 20-30 cars of corn and tankers of corn syrup. I don't think people realize how much force is behind a train fully loaded traveling at even low speeds. They can't stop when someone tries to beat the train there is just not enough track.
TraumaRN
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I doubt any lawsuit would stick anyways, if you watch the video, he passes the white car and from that camera angle doesn't even appear to slow down. At least I hope they didn't see it coming and at least death was most likely instantaneous. From what I'm hearing from a relative who knows some of the local PD and such, the train was going approximately ~64mph at time of impact and they bodies were apparently so mangled they were identifying the bodies from jewelry and clothes they had on.
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