ATOT's **OFFICIAL** American V8 4-door RWD car thread

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I use less fuel per year than most of the econobox drivers on this board, probably even you, and I have 4 V8 machines on the premises. Stick THAT in your tail pipe! :|

Probably b/c you drive less...that would be the ONLY reason why. Unless your cars get 32MPG on the highway (mine does with the A/C on) or gets 31/38 like my GF's Civic EX, then I'd say you're full of crap 😀

 

[Ornery]

I drive less, that's exactly right. Is that a problem? Meets the same green/economy end, no?

Edit: BTW, thanks for the topic and all, but I'm really not into driving and cars that much. I'm merely disgusted that the great American cruiser has been abandoned for econoboxes, minivans and SUVs. I've never purchased a new car in my life, and repair my own, not for the joy of wrenching, but because I'm too cheap to pay somebody else to do it!

 

[CombatChuk]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Ornery
I use less fuel per year than most of the econobox drivers on this board, probably even you, and I have 4 V8 machines on the premises. Stick THAT in your tail pipe! :|

Probably b/c you drive less...that would be the ONLY reason why. Unless your cars get 32MPG on the highway (mine does with the A/C on) or gets 31/38 like my GF's Civic EX, then I'd say you're full of crap 😀

The 300C has displacment on demand that according to chrysler get about 25MPG on the highway.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: RiDE
Hmmm no thanks.

I'll come back to this thread when I'm 65 or something.

you are so damn retarded its not even funny.

tell me where else you can get anything close to the 300C. and that car is by far the sweetest looking car out right now.

MIKE

That makes two of us then.
I was expecting to see 60s or 70s muscle cars.

 

[Ornery]

ATOT's **OFFICIAL** American V8 4-door RWD car

• Here's one
• 11.16 @ 119.75 mph
• Pontiac's wagon
• Another Poncho
• Serious Plymouth
• Torino

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Ornery
ATOT's **OFFICIAL** American V8 4-door RWD car

• Here's one

Kinda funny that even the owner doesn't want it anymore 😛

 

[Ornery]

Fvckhead

 

[Kilgor]

Originally posted by: Ornery
ATOT's **OFFICIAL** American V8 4-door RWD car

• Here's one

I'll take it, go to the junk yard get a 700r4 overdrive tranny, rebuild the motor or buy one add fuel Injection. Add some modern suspension components and you have one sweet ride that no one makes anymore.

 

[CFster]

I'll take the CTS-V - that's about it. Probably the most reliable of the three makes. And a more rounded automobile. I'll leave the STS - the Northstars are crap and we'll have to wait to see if they fix them. The Fords are geritol cars, and the Lincoln has horrendous reliabilty.

I love the hype about the 300C - a blast to drive, but I'm sure they'll fall apart like any Chrysler. Drove a Prowler the other day - I can't believe they actually put those up for sale. It felt like the car was going to fall apart around me. I usually get the same impression, but to a lesser extent, when I drive Vipers. But I digress.

Too bad the American sedan is a dying breed. They were just outdone by the competition. All you see for sale now at domestic dealerships these days are trucks. All the sedans are going to the rental fleets.

 

[Ornery]

"...the Lincoln has horrendous reliabilty."

JD Power Ratings 1994 Town Car:

• Initial Quality Ratings (0-90 days)
  Mechanical Quality 5 / 5
  Body & Interior Quality 5 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Quality 5 / 5
  
  Midterm Reliability Ratings (1-3 years)
  Mechanical Reliability 3 / 5
  Body & Interior Reliability 3 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Reliability 4 / 5
  
  Long Term Dependability Ratings (4-5 years)
  Mechanical Dependability 3 / 5
  Body & Interior Dependability 4 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Dependability 4 / 5

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"...the Lincoln has horrendous reliabilty."

JD Power Ratings 1994 Town Car:

• Initial Quality Ratings (0-90 days) definition
  Mechanical Quality 5 / 5
  Body & Interior Quality 5 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Quality 5 / 5
  
  Midterm Reliability Ratings (1-3 years) definition
  Mechanical Reliability 3 / 5
  Body & Interior Reliability 3 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Reliability 4 / 5
  
  Long Term Dependability Ratings (4-5 years) definition
  Mechanical Dependability 3 / 5
  Body & Interior Dependability 4 / 5
  Feature and Accessory Dependability 4 / 5

Bwuahahaha!!!

That doesn't mean jack to me. I see them in the shop every day.

We have a Blackwood that Lincoln just can't fix. A suspension problem. It was in the shop so many times they took the Lincoln suspension off it and installed F150 suspension. We also have an LS that has visited the dealer so many times the owner is just trying to find a way out of his lease.

 

[Ornery]

Me neither. I drive one. NEVER been in the shop!

 

[CFster]

Good for you. You got one of the good ones.

But unlike you, I see a particular make of vehicle by the hundreds. I see trends.

 

[Ornery]

I've been "lucky" and getting "good ones" since I switched to used, full sized Fords back in 1982. Each one was well used when purchased, and lasted many trouble free years. I don't consider replacement of batteries, tires, brakes, exhaust and the occasional starter or alternator to be a sign of dependability problems. One was purchased five years used in 1982 and driven till a couple years ago. I know, I know, just lucky... :roll:

 

[CFster]

Yep, just lucky.

I always find it interesting when a domestic car owner goes over to a Nissan or Toyota and is amazed that they don't have to do ANYTHING to their car (except for maintanance). They've taken for granted those water pumps, alternators and starters that they end up changing on their American cars - after all, that's the way they've always been and it's a completely normal cost of owning a car isn't it.

BTW, I drive a Maxima with 85K on it - never got a starter, alternator or exhaust. Just oil changes, tires and FRONT brakes. Still as tight as the day I bought it.

 

[Ornery]

I see trends, too. Sitting right in my own driveway!

• '66 BelAir 4dr purchased in '74 w/100k and run 2 years till dead
  '65 Catalina 4dr purchased in '77 w/80k and run till dead in '82 Great car! Very Fast!
  '66 GTO purchased in '77 (lost license twice) sold in '80
  '68 Camaro RS purchased in '82 w/100k and stolen in '84
  '77 Bonneville 4dr purchased in '83 w/75k and sold in '84 (piece of junk!)
  '77 Lincoln Town Car purchased in '83 w/48k and sold in 2002
  '77 Mercury Grand Marquis 4dr purchased in '90 w/75k and run till dead in '96 Excellent machine! RIP!
  '78 Mercury Grand Marquis 4dr purchased in '83 w/75k and run till lost in fire in '88 Great Car!
  '78 Lincoln Town Car Purchased in '88 w/80k and run till dead in '95 RIP, loved it!
  '88 E-150 Conversion Van purchased in '93 w/70k and still going...
  '95 Mercury Grand Marquis GS 4dr purchased in '01 and given to son on 16th birthday. Runs great!
  '99 Mercury Grand Marquis LS 4dr purchased in '02 w/34k and still running...
  '94 Lincoln Town Car purchased in '02 w/74k and still running...

 

[CFster]

Yeah, they new how to build them in the 60s. You couldn't give me a domestic car built in the 70s, 80's or 90's though.

The problem is the American car makers (in order to cut costs to compete with the Japanese) started cutting corners big time in the 80s. An American car is cheaper - initially...

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: CFster
Yep, just lucky.

I always find it interesting when a domestic car owner goes over to a Nissan or Toyota and is amazed that they don't have to do ANYTHING to their car (except for maintanance). They've taken for granted those water pumps, alternators and starters that they end up changing on their American cars - after all, that's the way they've always been and it's a completely normal cost of owning a car isn't it.

BTW, I drive a Maxima with 85K on it - never got a starter, alternator or exhaust. Just oil changes, tires and FRONT brakes. Still as tight as the day I bought it.

My father-in-law is putting his third set of tires on his 1998 Avalon as we speak. I just pulled the original rubber off my wife's G. Marquis, and they both have the same mileage. I just replaced all four rotors and pads on the Avalon. My wife's had two front rotors and pads replaced due to a squeal, but were NOT destroyed as the Toyota's were. The Avalon is due for a timing belt. The Mercury doesn't need one , and never will. Nor will it ever need expensive McPhearson struts, CV joints or any other parts buried under the hood, squeezed between the engine and tranny. Don't tell me, let me guess... lucky AGAIN! :roll:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I see trends, too. Sitting right in my own driveway!

• '66 BelAir 4dr purchased in '74 w/100k and run 2 years till dead
  '65 Catalina 4dr purchased in '77 w/80k and run till dead in '82 Great car! Very Fast!
  '66 GTO purchased in '77 (lost license twice) sold in '80
  '68 Camaro RS purchased in '82 w/100k and stolen in '84
  '77 Bonneville 4dr purchased in '83 w/75k and sold in '84 (piece of junk!)
  '77 Lincoln Town Car purchased in '83 w/48k and sold in 2002
  '77 Mercury Grand Marquis 4dr purchased in '90 w/75k and run till dead in '96 Excellent machine! RIP!
  '78 Mercury Grand Marquis 4dr purchased in '83 w/75k and run till lost in fire in '88 Great Car!
  '78 Lincoln Town Car Purchased in '88 w/80k and run till dead in '95 RIP, loved it!
  '88 E-150 Conversion Van purchased in '93 w/70k and still going...
  '95 Mercury Grand Marquis GS 4dr purchased in '01 and given to son on 16th birthday. Runs great!
  '99 Mercury Grand Marquis LS 4dr purchased in '02 w/34k and still running...
  '94 Lincoln Town Car purchased in '02 w/74k and still running...

Bah, those things are practically newborns. Try 149,000 miles on a '95 Camry LE with nothing more than oil changes, tire rotations and two timing belt replacements (every 70,000 miles).

 

[Ornery]

I told ya, I don't drive much! And, we're battling rust around here. I worry more about that than anything else. That's been the death of most, almost all, of my cars.

 

[CFster]

My father-in-law is putting his third set of tires on his 1998 Avalon as we speak. I just pulled the original rubber off my wife's G. Marquis, and they both have the same mileage. I just replaced all four rotors and pads on the Avalon. My wife's had two front rotors and pads replaced due to a squeal, but were NOT destroyed as the Toyota's were.

Destroyed? How?

The Avalon is due for a timing belt. The Mercury doesn't need one , and never will.

It will make up for it in fuel mileage.

Nor will it ever need expensive McPhearson struts, CV joints or any other parts buried under the hood, squeezed between the engine and tranny. Don't tell me, let me guess... lucky AGAIN! :roll:

McPhearson struts will go 90k miles easy on a Toyota. How long do shocks last? CV joints should go a very long time as well. What other parts need servicing under the hood? The distributor cap, rotor and wires it doesn't have? With coil on plug ignition, there's nothing to tune up these days. Change the plugs at 100k - that's all.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
STS > all shown.
If only they could make the old body style with the new interior.

I really like the new STS. Now the STS (northstar V8) is RWD, that was the final straw to make the STS perfect.

 

[Ornery]

Their rotors were worn on the inside on all four, to the point where they couldn't be turned. Not sure why it was all on the inside of the rotors, but I did take note of that. My wife's were in nearly perfect condition, with all the wear occuring on the pads alone.

So, now my in-laws have suffered with an anemic six all this time (reminds me of a golf cart), saved some gasoline, but now have to cough that savings up to replace the belt & water pump. I'd rather just have the beefy V8 instead!

I only buy well used cars, so I eventually have to face changing out parts here and there. If the ones I'd purchased had been imports, I'd certainly have had to spend the bucks for struts, CV-joints, and fought with the SUPER CRAMPED quarters under the hood, and higher priced, harder to find import parts.

 

[sniperruff]

bah only the CTS-V is worth looking at. but then again $50k tell me to go buy a

M3 at a similar price

S4 at a cheaper price

or choke up some $10k more and get

my favorite luxury of all times

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: CFster

My father-in-law is putting his third set of tires on his 1998 Avalon as we speak. I just pulled the original rubber off my wife's G. Marquis, and they both have the same mileage. I just replaced all four rotors and pads on the Avalon. My wife's had two front rotors and pads replaced due to a squeal, but were NOT destroyed as the Toyota's were.

Destroyed? How?

The Avalon is due for a timing belt. The Mercury doesn't need one , and never will.

It will make up for it in fuel mileage.

Nor will it ever need expensive McPhearson struts, CV joints or any other parts buried under the hood, squeezed between the engine and tranny. Don't tell me, let me guess... lucky AGAIN! :roll:

McPhearson struts will go 90k miles easy on a Toyota. How long do shocks last? CV joints should go a very long time as well. What other parts need servicing under the hood? The distributor cap, rotor and wires it doesn't have? With coil on plug ignition, there's nothing to tune up these days. Change the plugs at 100k - that's all.

I have a 1987 Ford Crown Vic with 106,000 KM on it. Only needs basic maintenance.

Dist. cap and rotor and wires are at best a 15 min job. You must be pretty lazy to think that this is work. Cap w/rotor is good for atleast a year and wires (good ones not crap) are good for at least 5 years. I have to replace 2 shocks. Oh nooesss!!!!! A 50 dollar repair! The 2 original shocks from 17 years ago finally died.

On the other hand my mechanic sees lots of expensive repairs on Hondas, Nissans, Toyotas, etc... because more little things go wrong, but are ignored by their owners because they have the false belief that imports are more reliable and don't breakdown. In reality that import costs more to fix than alot of other cars.

PS: my mechanic is a Honda certified technician and has his own shop after working at a dealership for 10 years.