** ATOT OFFICIAL STAR WARS EP. 2 Thread **

[normajean]

the first 3 contained very little comedy

are you kidding there are tons of one liners by r2d2, were you to use your brain and place c3po dialogue against you will know what r2 said.
Han solo had a bunch of jokes in empire but they worked smoother with the script and were delivered in context. Don't forget chewbacca's tarzan yell in the ewok battle.

I doubt lucas will make more, he promised to work on the trilogy dvd set, and said he doesn't want to make star wars for the rest of his life. regardless this one will keep me satisfied for awhile.(3 years)

ps. the matrix trailer revealed nothing more tham character shots and a war is going to happen. I heard they replaced aliyah with nona(sp?) gaye...marvin gaye's daughter.
Men in black looks gay too.

 

[abaez]

"but did anyone else notice that the "good guy" outfits (sorry, SW newbie here) looked strikingly similar to the Strom Trooper outfits in ep 4?"

That's because they do become Stormtroopers.

 

[Drensch]

I'm a fairly rare poster to ANT, but as a life long Star Wars fan, I'll try to answer some of the questions, or at least my opinions to the answers. And little thoughts I had. I saw the movie a week ago at a press screening, and I've seen it 2 more times since then. Spoilers of course.

I'm pretty sure that Tyrannus/Dooku or Palpatine commisioned the clone army under the guise of dead Jedi Sypher dias(sp).

Anakin didn't use any mind tricks on Amidala.

Boba Fett is a genetically identical clone of Jango Fett, as the Kamino said, Boba had not been altered like the other clones. Jango raises Boba as his son.

It's quite possible that Jar Jar was influenced to make the Senate statements through more than just overt pressure.


I think the Sith relationship of Master/Apprentice could be similar to the Jedi relationship of Master/Padawan, so there could easily be a total number of sith higher than 2.

As for not remembering droids throughout the movies: Droids are just like keyboards, or a spatula, or a house or a car. They are inconspicous tools that exist in the Star Wars universe. If you're eating with a fork that your dad ate dinner with when you were a kid, you don't stop and say "oh here's a fork that dad ate with one time". It's a utiliarian piece of life. You don't care, it's ubiquitous. Just because it's and R2 unit or a protocol droid, doesn't mean that the droids are The R2 and The 3PO.

It's a good thing that the Tusken Raider death scene didn't go any further. It would have been gratuitous and easily darker than anything in the Star Wars films. Keep in mind that kids like to see this, and you don't need kids afraid to go to bed because of an Anakin figure on their nightstand.


I assume it's called Attack of the Clones because of the massive attack made by the clones at the end.

Yoda is, as others have said, the Master for a reason. Just because he doesn't walk around starting fights every 2 minutes doesn't mean he can't handle himself. Navy SEALS and other elite or tough people generally don't feel the need to prove how tough they are either.

Palpatine obviously starts the war in order to shift power to himself in the republic, which of course becomes the empire, which is why the clone troopers look like storm troopers.

I really liked the movie. The only scene that was kinda off in my mind was the dream sequence, it probably should have been shot with Anakins arms uncovered, for obvious reasons. I liked the way the romance was handled, it was made obvious that Anakin, as unexperienced with women, was a head over heels, unsmooth, and way too forward. Not a ultra cool Charlie Sheen-like James Bondian chick magnet with all the right moves. The visuals/setdesign/costumes/effects were all incredible in my opinion, beautiful. I really liked the movie. I can't say where it stands in some sort of ranking though, I've only seen this a few times over 2 weeks, and the others I'd seen hundreds of times over 20+ years.

Oh yeah, Natalie Portman was really hot.

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: Drensch
I'm a fairly rare poster to ANT, but as a life long Star Wars fan, I'll try to answer some of the questions, or at least my opinions to the answers. And little thoughts I had. I saw the movie a week ago at a press screening, and I've seen it 2 more times since then. Spoilers of course.

I'm pretty sure that Tyrannus/Dooku or Palpatine commisioned the clone army under the guise of dead Jedi Sypher dias(sp).

Anakin didn't use any mind tricks on Amidala.

Boba Fett is a genetically identical clone of Jango Fett, as the Kamino said, Boba had not been altered like the other clones. Jango raises Boba as his son.

It's quite possible that Jar Jar was influenced to make the Senate statements through more than just overt pressure.


I think the Sith relationship of Master/Apprentice could be similar to the Jedi relationship of Master/Padawan, so there could easily be a total number of sith higher than 2.

As for not remembering droids throughout the movies: Droids are just like keyboards, or a spatula, or a house or a car. They are inconspicous tools that exist in the Star Wars universe. If you're eating with a fork that your dad ate dinner with when you were a kid, you don't stop and say "oh here's a fork that dad ate with one time". It's a utiliarian piece of life. You don't care, it's ubiquitous. Just because it's and R2 unit or a protocol droid, doesn't mean that the droids are The R2 and The 3PO.

It's a good thing that the Tusken Raider death scene didn't go any further. It would have been gratuitous and easily darker than anything in the Star Wars films. Keep in mind that kids like to see this, and you don't need kids afraid to go to bed because of an Anakin figure on their nightstand.


I assume it's called Attack of the Clones because of the massive attack made by the clones at the end.

Yoda is, as others have said, the Master for a reason. Just because he doesn't walk around starting fights every 2 minutes doesn't mean he can't handle himself. Navy SEALS and other elite or tough people generally don't feel the need to prove how tough they are either.

Palpatine obviously starts the war in order to shift power to himself in the republic, which of course becomes the empire, which is why the clone troopers look like storm troopers.

I really liked the movie. The only scene that was kinda off in my mind was the dream sequence, it probably should have been shot with Anakins arms uncovered, for obvious reasons. I liked the way the romance was handled, it was made obvious that Anakin, as unexperienced with women, was a head over heels, unsmooth, and way too forward. Not a ultra cool Charlie Sheen-like James Bondian chick magnet with all the right moves. The visuals/setdesign/costumes/effects were all incredible in my opinion, beautiful. I really liked the movie. I can't say where it stands in some sort of ranking though, I've only seen this a few times over 2 weeks, and the others I'd seen hundreds of times over 20+ years.

Oh yeah, Natalie Portman was really hot.

I mostly agree with what you're saying here. I still hold that a protocol droid with the same name, would be remembered, especially that annoying. I think I would have at least.

In backstory, there's a reason as to why there is only 1 master 1 apprentice in the Sith world. It was explained in the Zahn books, iirc. I think it creates jealousy and one would end up killing the other. I think it was easy for Sidious to take Dooku as his apprentice, because he had been a Jedi for a long time and had that training. Maul must have taken longer to train.

Palpatine played both sides against the middle. He gets the Trade Federation to align itself with the other commerce associations as enemies of the republic. When they are defeated, then Palpatine has elminated threats to his power and had the extra power the Senate granted him.

 

[CplHicks]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

I thought that the Jedi were lame and rather iineffectual. Consider how they were slaughtered in the droid battle and how easily Anakin was turned right under their noses.

I think ur severly underestimating Yoda here.

My suspicion is that Yoda knows a lot more than he lets on. The prophecy speaks of the one that will bring balance to the force. What exactly is this balance, well, it would seem to me that the balance is balance between the dark and non dark sides of the force.

I think Yoda is the only one tho that really understands that.

On the other hand, Yoda looked pretty foolish bringing the clones to that planet and doing exactly what sidious wanted done.

I'll add this to your comments, which I think were pretty right on. George Lucas has already explained how Anakin will bring balance to the force. In fact, it's already happened in the original trilogy. When Darth Vadar (Anakin Skywalker) kills Emperor Palpatine in ROTJ, he brings balance to the force. Luke couldn't kill him, only Anakin.

Now, can Yoda see that far into the future? It's debatable, but I think not. I don't think Yoda can see the future clearly, he states several times that the dark side clouds all, but he can allow the force to help him make his decisions. Obviously he felt that allowing Obi-Wan to train Anakin, and using the clone army to fight the droids was the best thing to do.

 

[CKDragon]

Had my first viewing of Ep 2 today...

Not bad, I saw it with my girlfriend. We were both groaning at the 'sand is rough, not like you' line. That will be a line I plan to drive into the ground over the next 2 weeks just to get a laugh.

I will have to see it again, I understood all of the movie until Dooku began his speech to Obi-Wan. While explaining his POV, Dooku made A LOT of sense to me. I wish I could remember the exact dialogue because I remember distinctly thinking that Dooku was actually right about how Obi-Wan was fighting for the wrong side. Anyway, that part confused and lost me, but I think I understand more clearly after reading this thread through.

Just one more thought for those of you that have played Jedi Knight 2 (I'm assuming most Anandtech/Star Wars fans here have), upon viewing only the trailer, did anyone else think that when Obi-Wan was floating in that vertical beam that it was actually him going through the Valley of the Jedi. I thought it was very similiar in appearence. I wasn't sure how they were going to work it, but I was just a little disappointed that the beam of light turned out to be an imprisonment mechanism.

I enjoyed it,

CK

 

[chickendinner]

I was a great movie, i loved it.

 

[Nefrodite]

BUT, the CG effects are way too overdone. I just watched my Return of the Jedi LP today, and was much more impressed with those graphics than with this new CG computer animated crap that Lucas is puttin out. Lucas needs to understand that the graphics don't make the movie, and in this case they actually diminish from the atmosphere of the movie. Sound, on the other hand, was excellent and as was said before the seismic charges were great.




really? how so? i thought most of the cg was pretty seamless, which is damned good, especially with the aliens that no longer look like rubber masks. even in eps 1 some of the aliens looked totally fake.


btw this thread has some interesting analysis of the movie

 

[djchemistry]

I have to dissent. ATOTC's ranks above episode 1 but still much below the trilogy. That's not such a bad thing, since the trilogy is a really hard act to follow. I must admit, I like most of you are shaped by the three spectacular pieces of cinema precedeing these prequels. With that said, here are some of the things I found disturbing to say the least.

What's up with the silver bullet ship? Come on, CGI is supposed to seem atleast somewhat realistic. Have some texture on that shiny piece of garbage. Traveling through sand, rain, dirt, space dust, molecular clouds, etc... has to do some corrosion and/or wear and tear on the ship. A titanium like ship will stand out as synthetic more than add to the futuristic atmosphere. It's really distracting.

The environments were beautiful. However, they were still synthetic and fake. Lucas has to learn that details are what makes computer generated environments realistic. Think of the waterfalls behind Anakin and the chick. Even the Niagra has more mist than that. How about the desert wallpaper shot. The sand is just too ordered to be realistic even in the future. Details like these detracted from the beautiful scenery and reminded me that they were at best the imagination of animators and programmers who had never really taken their two weeks of vacation each year.

I actually thought Anakin fit his role much better than the kid in episode 1. Hayden actually had the cunniving look of one who wants to rebel and succeed at any cost. By all means necessary, they say.

Natalie on the other hand still shows no chemistry with anyone on the set. She's hot, no doubt. But she just doesn't interact well with the rest of the crew. I think she is the one that makes the love scenes so...stoic.

Boba Fett, why do you die so easily?

Jedi's, why do you die so easily?

Politicians, why do you get pursuaded so easily? If they were all under the Dark one's control, he'd have no problem turning the republic into an empire. Some had to have some dissenting voices. However none were shown. I doubt the art of filibustering died in the future.

George, what's up with the roman empire parallel? I know it exists (i.e. the republic taken over by an emperor and turned into an empire), but do you have to make it so blunt as to put in fake gladiator scenes? It worked for Ridley Scott. It didn't for you. The animals were just too fake. Small screen time, I would understand but the length of time they had on the screen was just too long to pass them off as realistic. Their movements, textures, faces all lost their novelty after a few scenes.

Yoda, please don't act stupid. You're better than that. The master of the Jedi order should act so. George, please don't treat the master of the Jedi order like Kermit the Frog. He should have dignity and chivalry even while fighting. Darth Vader would never pose in a stupid kung fu stance. It was funny but it stripped Yoda of his dignity.

Why does Anakin's mother survive until he shows up but doesn't have the breath to tell him he loves her. Talk about forced climaxes. The timing was just too trivial to offer authentic emotion. It felt like Monty Python clip mimicing other movies where heroes lose loved ones. It's been done to death.

Finally, George hire a real director. Your imagination is too grand to be channeled through a limited medium such as film, after all only one scene can be displayed at one moment. Get a director that can refocus or at least help shape the story into a more digestible form. Watching the film a few times will definitely help viewers, but not everyone is a Star Wars fanatic. I actually expect my movies to start and stop and in between have a cohesive story line that conveys a coherent message. Your last two movies have suffered in effectiveness because average viewers need someone to translate much of the Star Wars going on in your head. If you had been in my theater, you would've heard people laughing their a@@es off at the love dialogue. Pretty rude, but I understand where they are coming from. Too bad exit polls didn't come to my theater.

 

[blurredvision]

I just wanted to say something about everyone asking why Anakin's mother dies right when he gets there, and how lame and unrealistic it is that she would be there for a month, and Anakin showing up in the nick of time to see her die. If you'll notice when he cuts her down, she tells him that she's now complete. THEN she dies. Make sense now as to why she dies right when Anakin finally rescues her?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: WoodchuckCharlie
I just wanted to say something about everyone asking why Anakin's mother dies right when he gets there, and how lame and unrealistic it is that she would be there for a month, and Anakin showing up in the nick of time to see her die. If you'll notice when he cuts her down, she tells him that she's now complete. THEN she dies. Make sense now as to why she dies right when Anakin finally rescues her?

she is complete because she got to see her son all gown up, she missed him. She was hanging on just for that reason.


did anybody see the Nsync dudes in the movie?

 

[philmacrevis]

I thought it was OK. I think they could've cut down on a couple of the love scenes, but other than that it was alright. I will have to see it again after reading some of these posts and maybe I will enjoy it better.

So someone who doesn't know a single thing about Star Wars and has never watched a Star Wars movie should instantly pick up the whole Star Wars plot and characters?

No, the movie is not designed for someone to pick up a EP2. What movie sequel reidentifies main characters?

 

[guyver01]

I haven't read all 4 pages in the thread, but anyone think of this connection?


The Jedi Master Sido-Dyas commissioned the clone troopers.

Sido-Dyas sounds very much like Sidious.

Could the Kaminoans be mistaken and it was Master Sidious, not Master Sido-Dyas ???

 

[normajean]

djchemistry
how about enjoying the film like you did when you were young and not question every bloody thing.
Everyone is so critical, make a movie yourself...oh wait you can't... so shutup.

 

[piku]

I'm sure you could do better.

Oh, so if I can't personally do better I can't complain? Remember that next time anything goes wrong or breaks in your house.

I'm not saying it's flawless, but there IS a dimension to the writing and performances that has obviously eluded the people who are counting the days to the next Adam Sandler movie.

Oh please please please don't generalize me as one of those people who likes Adam Sandler movies. If there was a button that I could press to remove one person from Hollywood, it would be him.

The first time I saw it, I was kinda so-so on it, but the 2nd time, it tightened up and really rocked and I started to get mad at the rudely and ignorantly negative reviews.

Maybe I'm in the same boat, and I really do need to watch it again.

Will he continue where Return of the Jedi ends? I hear that Leia actually becomes a Jedi herself and that Luke has kids, so it seems as if there is plenty of good storyline left for Lucas to create movies off of.

Well he could, but all of this is already in books, so there isn't really much new stuff that he could do.

 

[Optimus]

Saw it yesterday.

I unabashedly and completely loved every second of this movie.

Thats really all I'm going to say about it - I didn't read this thread and won't as I'm very, very tired of reading EVERYTHING cool - Star Wars, Spiderman, every video game, movie, TV show...

I know its everyone's right to do so and I'm not trying to stop it - I just don't want to read it anymore.


For me, ATOC is right now fighting with Empire for #1 SW movie in my mind. Yeah, I loved it that much.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: guyver01
I haven't read all 4 pages in the thread, but anyone think of this connection?


The Jedi Master Sido-Dyas commissioned the clone troopers.

Sido-Dyas sounds very much like Sidious.

Could the Kaminoans be mistaken and it was Master Sidious, not Master Sido-Dyas ???

Either that, or the 'Master Syphodious who died 10 years ago' is jsut Palatine, falled to the Dark Side...

 

[LordMaul]

My thread got locked, so I post it here.

Well, I drove the hour to the AMC Barrington theater to see Attack of the Clones in it's digital glory...and was very disapointed when I was informed that their digital projector is NOT there anymore, and they, "Sent it to Canada or something". (WTF is Canada going to do with it? Make beer?)


However, the theater was quite obviously equipped with a THX sound system and it was quite amazing...much better than the crap at the local theater. We got in early, as when we got there an hour and a half early, the lady just let us into the next showing, which was in 20 minutes. They had GREAT seats, with high backs and cushioned arms and it was all stadium seating I didn't have to position myself just right for a good view.

After waiting for a while, seeing the janitor almost get booed off when asking if "ANYONE WANNA PLAY STAR WARS TRIVIA?!", the trailers come one. I saw Minority Report, Matrix, some disney movie, Witchblade, and a couple others. Then, the opening credits came on.

The crowd, expectedly, went wild, and there was quite the applause...not unlike Episode 1. As I was reading the words, scrolling across the screen, my spine tingling, I pretty much forgot about the non-digital experience. Then the ships flying through the clouds, amazing sound, etc. came onto the screen and I was already into the movie. Then, the ship blew up and I crapped my pants.

I loved how Anakin was portrayed, being a bit of a whiner and arrogant. As far as I could tell, even though I was watcching it at midnight, the acting was FINE! In fact, it was better than much of the crap out there these days...I mean, Keanu Reeves, anyone? Anyone who says the dialouge(which had a few rough spots, I admit, but nothing to condemn the movie for), the music(WOW), or the picture(unless you were watching it on a McDonald's Happy Meal Projector is horrible needs a loud wake-up call. WHAT THE FSCK DO YOU WANT?

It's a movie, meant to entertain you, not change your life and save the mice in 3rd world countries.

Ben's ordeal with the droid, flying through Couracant, and Anakin as well, was quite nice. Visually amazing, fun, exciting, etc.

The romance scenes were NOT all that bad, once again. Anakin's pick-up lines were kind of corny, but hey, he's not Casanova. He's a 19 year old Jedi-wannabe who wants to pick up his childhood love, and isn't having a easy time doing it.

3P0's comments, as well as the droid-factory bit with 3P0 was kind of annoying, but not enough to aggrivate me. I was wondering how they were going to tie that into the movie, from what I saw in trailers.

Jango Fett was AWESOME! Boba Fett was pretty damn good, as well, and puts Jake Lloyd to shame on his first 10 seconds of screen time. The clones, the clones 'factory', Kamino, etc. was all very cool, visually stunning, and a great explination for some of the previously mentioned aspects of the movie.

The fight scenes in the arena were amazing, and with Sam L., Kai Adi Mundi, etc., it was nothing short of kickass. The arena was one of the most amazing battles, and with the clones, I must say that the theater is going to need something stronger than Febreeze for their seats. Absolutely amazing.

When Anakin gets his ass finally kicked, and Yoda starts walking around the corner to have a little match of power with Dooku, my body went cold and the theater went ballistic. I, of course, participated in the cheering/applause, and preceeded to see the most kickass fight scene in the history of Star Wars movies.

Overall, the movie gets an A from me. No plus, because a few things annoyed me and I might have continued some of the battles a bit longer, as well as make the Jedi's a little harder to kill off. No A-, because the I thought the acting was just fine, no worse than the acting in the previous movies. I had a amazingly exciting time, last night, that's for sure. Some people may not like it, but since I know the story very well, it was piss-my-pants fun seeing it HAPPEN and unfold on the screen.

To all those who say "See Spiderman instead!" are insane. I watched Spider Man, and while it was fun, kind of cool, etc. it didn't and couldn't have matched the amazing Star Wars. The FX sucks ass compared to SW, the acting no better, and the depth of story, music, etc. is not a match for something such as Star Wars. To \aAnyone who has not seen SW yet, SEE IT! It's GREAT fun, and one of the best movies out there to date. Have fun!

 

[Adrian Tung]

Well, since everybody's talking about the movie, I think I'll contribute some thought about it too.

Firstly, I think that the story is in line with the Star Wars extended universe so people who are complaining about the storyline should do some research before criticizing it.

Secondly, about Yoda suddenly whizzing into action from seemingly cripple old timer, I agree with the people who say that that's how a real master will behave. If anyone has the new Star Wars roleplaying game, read the whole chapter on The Force and you'll find that Yoda's behaviour is very much in line with Master Odan-Urr's teachings.

Anyway, I'm quite pleased with EP2 but I wonder how EP3 will turn out considering the events that have occured in EP2. Since Anakin has already "hooked up" with Amidala, I'd expect EP3 to take place less than a year after EP2. Anakin will turn to the dark side and become Vader, the Jedi will be hunted down and killed. Palpatine ascends the throne and becomes Emperor, declares martial law and rules with an iron fist. Yoda flees to Dagobah and Obi-Wan flees to Tatooine after handing out Amidala's twins to Bail Organa and Owen and Beru. From the looks of it, the whole mood is going to feel very dark and bleak - much darker than Empire Strikes Back, I believe. I wonder how Lucas is going to make this all turn out? After all, all the Star Wars movies always ended in some sort of victory, but judging from the storyline I don't see how he can fit a "victory" into EP3.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day. I missed a lot of the hidden stuff like Qui-Gon's yell and the wampa rats though, so I'm probably going to catch it again sometime next week.


atwl

 

[lllJRlll]

Originally posted by: fatbaby
when mace windu decapitates jango, and boba goes and picks up his helmet, why don't you see jango's head fall out?

Maybe it was a real snug fitting helmet



AOTC was a good movie,better than PM,but not as good as the original 3.

Some of the scenes ran on for far too long (the first chase scene was waaaaay too long)

Natalie Portman looked incredible in this movie,not to say she doesn't in all her movies but this one in particular

 

[blurredvision]

And you guys will notice that at the beginning of the movie, Jango Fett was trying to kill Amidala. Well, we found who the assassin was, but never WHY. Atleast I don't think we did. They kinda left the part up in the air as to why they were attempting to kill her. I beleive they will finally succeed in killing her in the next movie, and that's what pushes Anakin over the top.

 

[Nil]

Originally posted by: WoodchuckCharlie
And you guys will notice that at the beginning of the movie, Jango Fett was trying to kill Amidala. Well, we found who the assassin was, but never WHY. Atleast I don't think we did. They kinda left the part up in the air as to why they were attempting to kill her. I beleive they will finally succeed in killing her in the next movie, and that's what pushes Anakin over the top.

Umm. No, she doesn't die in the next film.. At least not before Vaders coming out party. They were trying to kill her cause Dooku hired them to for the trade federation. Also, Palpatine wanted her out of the way cause he knew she would prolly not vote for him to have emergency power like Jar Jar did.

 

[Swag1138]

Ok, Im not gonna read this whole thread, so if some of this stuff is a repost, then shout at me if it makes you feel better.

Just dumping some ideas after watching ATOC the fourth time...


Yoda is pissed at the universe. Hes angry at the Jedi, hes angry at the Senate, hes angry at himself. I think THIS is what leads to yoda leaving, not just to escape the elimination of the Jedi. I think Yoda will say "screw you guys, Im goin home" and head to degobah to just get away from everything. I mean really....dont you think Yoda could kick Vaders tail in a fight? Do you think Yoda would run away from a battle? I dont.


Anakin is a whiney punk.....At least luke got it honest!

Boba Fett is also a punk, just not whiney. "SHOOT HIM DAD!"

In the big battle, I think that Yodas comments that the jedi were becomming arrogant just exploded out at you there. There was NO need for Mace to cut off Jangos head. An arm or leg would have done nicely, and left him alive for questioning. Kit Fisto (the jedi who pushed the 3-P0 battle droid down) looked WAY too pleased with himself. The Jedi who jumped on the balcony to take out Dooku....shouldnt he have requested at least ONE jedi backup? I think the Jedi suffered such high casualties due in at least a small part to their arrogance. BTW, I really hope Boba bitc*-slaps Mace Windu in III

The Imperial March at the end sent CHILLS DOWN MY FSCKING SPINE!!!!!! Dam*.....that was such a great movie

 

[Swag1138]

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Originally posted by: guyver01
I haven't read all 4 pages in the thread, but anyone think of this connection?


The Jedi Master Sido-Dyas commissioned the clone troopers.

Sido-Dyas sounds very much like Sidious.

Could the Kaminoans be mistaken and it was Master Sidious, not Master Sido-Dyas ???

Either that, or the 'Master Syphodious who died 10 years ago' is jsut Palatine, falled to the Dark Side...

Couldnt be Palpatine...Palpatine was the senator of Naboo 10 years ago. The only way I can see PalpaSidious behind the clone army directly is if once master Sifo Dyas died, he went as Sidious,and use Sifo Dyas because that is a name people would know (Sifo Dyas was a member of the Jedi Council), and it sounds like his own sith name.

 

[Swag1138]

Originally posted by: Nil

Originally posted by: WoodchuckCharlie
And you guys will notice that at the beginning of the movie, Jango Fett was trying to kill Amidala. Well, we found who the assassin was, but never WHY. Atleast I don't think we did. They kinda left the part up in the air as to why they were attempting to kill her. I beleive they will finally succeed in killing her in the next movie, and that's what pushes Anakin over the top.

Umm. No, she doesn't die in the next film.. At least not before Vaders coming out party. They were trying to kill her cause Dooku hired them to for the trade federation. Also, Palpatine wanted her out of the way cause he knew she would prolly not vote for him to have emergency power like Jar Jar did.

Amidala was never meant to die. Sidious wanted her there because he knew that Anakin was in love with her, and she could be used to drive the wedge deeper between Anakin and the Jedi. The attempts on her life were more of a gesture of good will on Tyrannus' part to get the Trade Federation on his side (so that they could be played even longer by the Sith.)


And this brings one more thing to mind...... Anyone see a simmilarity between ATOC and ESB? "Join me Obi-Wan, and together we will destroy the sith!" "Join me, and together we will destroy the emperor". And peopel wonder why there were only a master and an apprentice for the sith.