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shortylickens

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Once again warm rain this morning. If there was any snow left it sure disappeared today.

I dont like that its so warm out in February. Suspect this summer will be a bastard.
 

Red Squirrel

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Once again warm rain this morning. If there was any snow left it sure disappeared today.

I dont like that its so warm out in February. Suspect this summer will be a bastard.

That sounds miserable. I hate rain in winter, it just makes everything a huge mess. Getting milder here but still below zero mostly.
 

bigboxes

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stuffed nef

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compcons

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Nitric acid is what you want but it is nasty stuff to deal with. Dermestid beetles are a better alternative to acids and chippers. They leave a nice, clean skeleton behind for you to play with.
Back in my Chem days, one of the analytical teams used a mixture of sulfuric and nitric acid to clean the prep glassware. Shit cleaned everything. I think it was called chromerge. It was a real treat to make it too. Really exothermic reaction that would easily deform plastics.

But the really nasty stuff is Hydroflouric acid. It will render fat/flesh and dissolve bone if I recall. The real treat was that if you got it on your skin, it acted like a local anesthetic with the Flourine substituting for the calcium (or something like that) causing nerves to not work. So basically you didn't feel it as it migrated to the bones and started to turn them to jelly. There were a sorts of horror stories about people who had no idea how bad things were for hours.
 

bigboxes

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But the really nasty stuff is Hydroflouric acid. It will render fat/flesh and dissolve bone if I recall. The real treat was that if you got it on your skin, it acted like a local anesthetic with the Flourine substituting for the calcium (or something like that) causing nerves to not work. So basically you didn't feel it as it migrated to the bones and started to turn them to jelly. There were a sorts of horror stories about people who had no idea how bad things were for hours.

Bone dissolving! That's what I need. Do I need more than one 30 gallon drum? How many bodies will one 30 gallon drum dissolve?
 

shortylickens

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Back in my Chem days, one of the analytical teams used a mixture of sulfuric and nitric acid to clean the prep glassware. Shit cleaned everything. I think it was called chromerge. It was a real treat to make it too. Really exothermic reaction that would easily deform plastics.

But the really nasty stuff is Hydroflouric acid. It will render fat/flesh and dissolve bone if I recall. The real treat was that if you got it on your skin, it acted like a local anesthetic with the Flourine substituting for the calcium (or something like that) causing nerves to not work. So basically you didn't feel it as it migrated to the bones and started to turn them to jelly. There were a sorts of horror stories about people who had no idea how bad things were for hours.
you recall incorrectly.
Hydrofluoric acid does NOT dissolve bone or flesh. The reason its dangerous is it soaks thru the skin and rips the minerals off of bones and you die slowly from lack of minerals. its horrible.
 

IronWing

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Back in my Chem days, one of the analytical teams used a mixture of sulfuric and nitric acid to clean the prep glassware. Shit cleaned everything. I think it was called chromerge. It was a real treat to make it too. Really exothermic reaction that would easily deform plastics.

But the really nasty stuff is Hydroflouric acid. It will render fat/flesh and dissolve bone if I recall. The real treat was that if you got it on your skin, it acted like a local anesthetic with the Flourine substituting for the calcium (or something like that) causing nerves to not work. So basically you didn't feel it as it migrated to the bones and started to turn them to jelly. There were a sorts of horror stories about people who had no idea how bad things were for hours.
Back in the 90s, there was a HF leak in a trailer on I-75. The cleanup took days as Level A suits were only rated for a few minutes of HF exposure so the cleanup could only progress as fast as new Level A suits could be manufactured.
 

IronWing

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you recall incorrectly.
Hydrofluoric acid does NOT dissolve bone or flesh. The reason its dangerous is it soaks thru the skin and rips the minerals off of bones and you die slowly from lack of minerals. its horrible.
Actually, the calcium stripped from the bones and unleashed into the bloodstream causes heart attacks.
 

sdifox

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you recall incorrectly.
Hydrofluoric acid does NOT dissolve bone or flesh. The reason its dangerous is it soaks thru the skin and rips the minerals off of bones and you die slowly from lack of minerals. its horrible.
These guys are scarier.

 

bigboxes

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Let's get back off topic. What acid do I need to dissolve, let's say human, bones in a short amount of time. I believe that a guy couldn't get out of a pool in Yellowstone and it dissolved him. I'm sure there were signs telling them not to go near them.
 

compcons

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Let's get back off topic. What acid do I need to dissolve, let's say human, bones in a short amount of time. I believe that a guy couldn't get out of a pool in Yellowstone and it dissolved him. I'm sure there were signs telling them not to go near them.
Funny question. As I was refreshing my knowledge from 1999 (when I left my Chem job to be an IT nerd) I found this:


Someone in that thread mentions lye. I think that's the way to go. Which makes me recall an interesting if not slightly disturbing novel by Dan Simmons called Drood which touches on disposal of a body in lye (the novel is actually about Dickens-its quite a trip).
 
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