atom!?!?

[TuxDave]

or maybe just give us a 20 watt atom which will actually will have the muscle to do something or at least stop making every generation worse and worse
if atom was not that cripled in characteristic could have made an excellent cpu for nas even with its low envelope of 10 watt
and why not replace some light weight web servers.
after all internet was here at the age of p4 and atom is comperable to an p4 in perfomanse.
yes a low power cpu has a market to cover
yes there will be people that will matter watt more than an yother thing
but at least give to that poor cpu some characteristic do not strip it down every generation
fewer pci-e lanes adding a raid card for nas is hmmmmmm limited at the best
no 64bit support loose a 25% of the theoretical max memory from
4giga to effectively 3.2
i do not see supermicro upgrade its server line mobo of atom

A 20W Atom would have no reason to exist. Just saying.

 

[evident]

atom is trash. i'm so glad the netbook fad is almost over!

 

[evilspoons]

I work in industrial automation. The Atom processors in embedded panel PCs to run HMIs (human-machine interfaces) are more than fast enough to interface with my motion controllers while still being able to run Windows for easy development (...since the brand of motion controller primarily uses a .NET library for communications).

The fact they only dissipate ~20 watts means I don't need fans or big heatsinks, both of which could potentially fail on me from 10+ years of crud collecting in an industrial environment.

THAT is what an Atom is for.

 

[ultimatebob]

Let me see if I got this right...

What Atom was originally intended for:

What people used Atom for instead:

Cute, but I use Atom processors for building low power restaurant kiosk systems, which is their intended purpose.

We use 64 bit Linux in our entire product line to help with OS standardization. It worked fine with the Intel D525 processors, so I'm disappointed that the new processors will not officially support it as well.

Cutting off 64 bit driver support just because Intel's developers are too lazy to properly support it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[anikhtos]

Cute, but I use Atom processors for building low power restaurant kiosk systems, which is their intended purpose.

We use 64 bit Linux in our entire product line to help with OS standardization. It worked fine with the Intel D525 processors, so I'm disappointed that the new processors will not officially support it as well.

Cutting off 64 bit driver support just because Intel's developers are too lazy to properly support it doesn't sit well with me.

well it does not sit well with me either
atom had a use and a market for desktop low powered systems
but intel decides to abandon these market to amd!?!?!?
maybe this way noone will accuse her for monopoly???

 

[nenforcer]

I would never buy an Atom to slap in a desktop or regular laptop, for the same reasons I would never buy a Tegra 2 or any other ARM chip for that use.

How about a Tegra 3?

Microsoft is rumored to be announcing a new console at E3 in May dubbed something like Xbox Loop or Xbox Lite.

It's suppose to be a $99 ARM powered tablet like Kinect enabled device for casual gamers, i.e. the Angry Birds crowd.

It would be a big blow to Intel IMO if they didn't get an Atom into a device like this. The only place you've seen them in the consumer space is the Google TV's I believe and not much else.

 

[Anteaus]

Assuming these chips have applications for commercial and industrial purposes, I don't understand why these chips have to be mass produced as components for individual consumption. The poster above stated they were using them for low power restaurant kiosk systems. Naturally this is a great use for them. If there is a solid market for them, Intel should be able to be approached as a supplier of the chips with the specs you need instead of relying on whatever they provide as a consumer chip. Of course you would have to order large amounts at once, but if there IS a market for it that shouldn't be a problem.

....all this leads me to believe there really isn't a market for them, at least not at the consumer level. Any large company making mobile devices isn't getting their chips from Newegg, and Intel offers the i3 platform for consumers who want low power options while still keeping some of the new tech out there.

 

[anikhtos]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...el_Atom_Hit_All_Time_Low_Netbooks_Doomed.html

as we can see the sales of intel atom has gone downnnnnnnnn
we must say that the max on sales was done with atom 330 and ion chipset period.
reamined at the same levels for 2-3 quarters when d525 introdused and from then a nose diveeeeeeeeeeee

well if as some people said atom is getting to what should have been
then that is to be out of existance lol
poor decisions like make nm10 with so few lanes so nvidia would not sell chipsets paired with the atom cpu was a fatal mistake that made brazos the only solution in that power envelope
and well bad decisions and poorer design at each generation reflect that
at sales.
for someone already bought a 330 there was no point to go to d525 or to d2700 the cost simplu just not cut it
at least with the first atom there was some matx mobo
with d525 and go one since so few lanes you could only find m-itx boards

for crying out loud a chinese company had a full atx mobo with the first generation n- class atoms as a low powered mobo for nas

why peopel think i am against atom
the oposite i liked the idea of a low powered machine
which could operate passive cooled and thus noise less

what i argue on this thread is my diapointment that intel was killing atom at every generation making from an interesting idea to a brazos is better idea to not in my life i will get d2700

 

[Olikan]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...el_Atom_Hit_All_Time_Low_Netbooks_Doomed.html

what i argue on this thread is my diapointment that intel was killing atom at every generation making from an interesting idea to a brazos is better idea to not in my life i will get d2700

1- holy shit! that is a drop !

2- just buy a brazos...

 

[anikhtos]

1- holy shit! that is a drop !

2- just buy a brazos...

and that if i am not mistakes is for the whole atom family
netops-desktop-mobile devices

well i have a sandy bridge notebook
and to be frankly an ivy bridge notebook would be tempting to get
why??? lower watt on cpu means better cooling and cooller operations
and of course more battery life
so ivy bridge has to offer something
maybe more to the mobile market than the desktop
but what every atom generation had to ofered??
less and less

 

[RU482]

well it does not sit well with me either
atom had a use and a market for desktop low powered systems
but intel decides to abandon these market to amd!?!?!?
maybe this way noone will accuse her for monopoly???

Wait a minute here. Intel is not offering a Windows 7 64bit driver set for Cedar Trail. But, historically, are the Linux drivers developed by Intel, or by the open source community?

The platform is more than capable of running a 64-bit OS (even windows, if you can get the early beta graphics drivers or tolerate the generic windows drivers).

 

[nenforcer]

Intel Atom 64-bit works just fine with Linux, just not windows it appears.

http://intellinuxgraphics.org/

There is listed drivers for Atom N450 with GMA3150 onboard.

This makes sense since GMA3150 has been around forever on other chipsets. And Atom is just an x86 CPU, there is no reason it shouldn't run Windows XP.

I guess the issue is the lack of 64-bit drivers for the chipset, NM10.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Wow... that really sucks. We currently use the Intel Atom D525 processor, which supports 64bit Linux with the system board that we're using. That makes the D2700 a downgrade as far as I'm concerned, since now I need to support multiple versions of Linux for my embedded product line if I want support from Intel, apparently.

Tell your bosses that they screwed up, Intel Enthusiast.

The D525 board there doesn't support 64-bit either. From that list the new chips are the same.

If there is a solid market for them, Intel should be able to be approached as a supplier of the chips with the specs you need instead of relying on whatever they provide as a consumer chip.

Well the embedded E series allow you to do that.

Netbooks are still the single largest market for Atoms. But you wouldn't get Netbooks nowadays when you can have a fully capable 14-15 inch Notebook based on Celeron/Pentium for what, $50 more?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think that the "Netbook" market is basically shrinking out of existance. Considering how gimped the specs were on those machines (gimped on purpose!), that outcome was basically expected. As regular laptops were getting cheaper and faster, Atom Netbooks were stagnant in terms of screen sizes, and specs (1GB RAM? Really?)

 

[IntelUser2000]

Even if you're just staring at your desktop, or the new start screen on windows 8, there is still a LOT of cpu work going on in the background. This keeps the cpu awake all the time. On iOS, if you're just staring at the home screen, or sometimes even just staring at a web page, the cpu is asleep.

That's because Windows isn't a proprietary OS. When you have full control, you can do things that were only imaginary in more open systems. Windows also need to scale over wide variety of systems and interfaces.

Let's put it this way. Ivy Bridge is designed for modularity. If they didn't see the need to have modular blocks, its very likely the result can be optimized better for power consumption, performance, and die size.

Or the commonly used car analogy. Try to fit all market segments with a 4 door sedan frame. It won't work well in very economical, cheap cars nor will it work well for people looking for a replacement for light trucks.

Of course computers can't be compared exactly with cars. So the difference might not have to be as great in the future.

 

[LoneNinja]

How about a Tegra 3?

Microsoft is rumored to be announcing a new console at E3 in May dubbed something like Xbox Loop or Xbox Lite.

It's suppose to be a $99 ARM powered tablet like Kinect enabled device for casual gamers, i.e. the Angry Birds crowd.

It would be a big blow to Intel IMO if they didn't get an Atom into a device like this. The only place you've seen them in the consumer space is the Google TV's I believe and not much else.

That sounds like a cool little console, but it doesn't change my mind about desktops. These low power processors are just to weak right now, I can easily justify spending a little more money for a dual core Sandy Bridge, the extra performance is easily justified by the cost and power consumption when I'm plugged into the wall.

I do have Tegra 2, and wonder how it would perform with more RAM as I believe that is my phones weakness, but I still wouldn't even replace my HTPC with one. Give it a few more generations with the way performance is growing and I'll probably change my mind, I doubt the internet and casual PC tasks will get much more demanding anytime soon. An old Core2 or Athlon X2 is still plenty fast paired with a good HDD and enough RAM. Once Atom/ARM can reach that level of performance, than I'll be interested.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Cute, but I use Atom processors for building low power restaurant kiosk systems, which is their intended purpose.

We use 64 bit Linux in our entire product line to help with OS standardization. It worked fine with the Intel D525 processors, so I'm disappointed that the new processors will not officially support it as well.

Cutting off 64 bit driver support just because Intel's developers are too lazy to properly support it doesn't sit well with me.

So... continue supporting your current hardware, buy up D525s if you want, and transition to low powered Pentium Gs or i3s. Heck, you can even underclock them.

Or use a VIA Nano. Those are dual core and actually support 64-bit.

 

[anikhtos]

the best is not that intel official removed 64bit support for the new atoms
330 had 64bit support and d525 had 64bit support
is that intel directive to mainboards makers that atom is not 64bit capable
thus the magic
jetway mainboards with the new atom have the 64bit disabled on bios
so you can not install any 64bit os
so the question is not there are no drivers for windows install linux
the problem is install only 32bit os in some mainboard cause 64bit is diasbled
that really sucks

 

[Chiropteran]

Why is Atom even a consideration for anyone? Just get an E-450 based system to fill that role.

 

[anikhtos]

Why is Atom even a consideration for anyone? Just get an E-450 based system to fill that role.

well that is what i say all thir thread long
instead of atom gettign better it is getting worse and worse
d525 to support so-dimm notregular memory
that makes swaping ram between desktop machines impossible
also new atoms stuck in itx
the smaller size i can live with is matx
so yes brazos is the only choice
only because intel locked out nvidia out from the chipset market to sell
their miraculous chipsets
and tehri miraculous new atoms
noone is considering atom an option any more
in desktop
maybe netops were good when apeeeared but staying in the same small 10 inch screen!?!?!??! with 1 giga ram for 4 years
well software moved forward so the demands have increased
with 350euro you can buy a 15.6 inch notebook with i3-2330m
with a dvd-ram (for some optical disck still maters especially when laptop is for traveling thus you do not know if you get any data from a dvd
and yes usb is better but this is travelling not desktop so dvd is not an option is mandatory for me at least)
battery a good 2 hours
i found on net a battery twice bigger than me so
with 300gr more i could get this laptop to 4 hours of life.
so 250 for netbook 350 for laptop
really there is no market for netbook
and the third part of atoms mobile devices ahhahahahha
there intel is plain dreaming arm is still unbeatable
even the 3 watt atom have no luck to be inside a phone
so if intel want x86 on phones make a new design from scratch
ivy bridge node did not gave the power savinfg said 33% smaller power savings from the new node??
95 to 77 is 18 watt 18/95=18% a bit more
or the 33% was a theoretical number?!?!

 

[Arkaign]

Yes, Atom is crap. It was crap before, it's still crap, and it will probably be crap for awhile yet, if not forever (murder the brand name, and put a new branding on whatever eventually comes out that doesn't suck). ULV C2D is infinitely better unless your absolute priority is ultra-low power/temperature and horrible performance.

I KNOW INTEL CAN DO BETTER. This is just wtf material.

 

[Edrick]

Atom is being phased out of the PC role. Soon it will only be available on portable devices. Anyone considering Atom for a role other than a smartphone should think again.

The more I am hearing about Haswell, the more it seems that Intel is going to position a low power version of Haswell in the same market as the original Atom 330. (NAS servers, HTPC, Netbooks/Ultrabooks, etc.) And this CPU should destroy the Atom in performance, while only using slightly more power. The Haswell SOC looks very promising.

 

[anikhtos]

Atom is being phased out of the PC role. Soon it will only be available on portable devices. Anyone considering Atom for a role other than a smartphone should think again.

The more I am hearing about Haswell, the more it seems that Intel is going to position a low power version of Haswell in the same market as the original Atom 330. (NAS servers, HTPC, Netbooks/Ultrabooks, etc.) And this CPU should destroy the Atom in performance, while only using slightly more power. The Haswell SOC looks very promising.

there is i3-2100t out there with max 35 watt
which it has 4 times the perfomance with 2 times the power consumption
other options
an i7m in 25 watt or 17watt envelope
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153214
with a mobo like that
and lets see
e3-1220l in 20 watt but no graphics
so with a 6450 another 20 watt for a 40 watt max total.

all chips can idle very low and that bring the power consumption at atom levels or even better!!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2100t.html
according to this review

so atom is weak
even at the same price ranger go brazos
much more feutures
and way much better gpu perfomanse

 

[Edrick]

there is i3-2100t out there with max 35 watt
which it has 4 times the perfomance with 2 times the power consumption
other options
an i7m in 25 watt or 17watt envelope
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153214
with a mobo like that
and lets see
e3-1220l in 20 watt but no graphics
so with a 6450 another 20 watt for a 40 watt max total.

all chips can idle very low and that bring the power consumption at atom levels or even better!!!!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-2100t.html
according to this review

so atom is weak
even at the same price ranger go brazos
much more feutures
and way much better gpu perfomanse

Exactly!

Which is why myself, and other members here, are a little confused as to why you even bothered posting this in the first place.

 

[anikhtos]

Exactly!

Which is why myself, and other members here, are a little confused as to why you even bothered posting this in the first place.

the only point was to discuss if intel is making atom every generation a worse product
and i see we all agree that the desktop part of atom is getting worse and worse
and there was a desktop part the
230/330 series then the d410/d510/d525 and now d2700
all those are for the desktop market not for the mobile