Atlas Shrugged: Part 1 (Movie)

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Zorkorist

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I have read about her history.
I watched shows where she explains her point of view on various different subject.
I have seen documentaries about her.
I have read parts of her fiction.

She was in the basic no different then Khadaffi or Marx.
Nice idea's for an utopia, but always living on others while claiming being superior and having superior idea's.
That may have been her life, but what she wrote about were heroes, thay did not compromise.

Her vision (coming from Soviet Russia) is of an environment where freedom is fosfered.

That freedom USED to be the United States, but today it's easir to see the United States and Soviet Russia, as enemies.

-John
 

Illyusha

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Ayn Rand crap ideology.

You should be ashamed for promoting something not only so worthless but wrong and causing evil.

Alan Greenspan was a huge fan of Ayn Rand, and he implemented some of her economic ideals while he was fed chair.
 

Zorkorist

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Nevertheless, we will all walk into the theatre. and ask...

"Who is John Galt?"

-John
 

Zorkorist

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I'm pretty sure it is a passion of the heart.

Nothing less, Nothing more.

-John
 

Doppel

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I've perused her on wiki and seen statements by some of her followers. I've not read her works in great part because it seems almost universally that the more somebody likes Ayn Rand the nastier a person they are, the less pleasant, the bigger an asshole. So, no thanks. Not saying that about the OP of course, there are always exceptions!

One has to wonder how her applause of what is selfishness would have changed if she had kids, though perhaps her world view was the reason she didn't.
 
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That may have been her life, but what she wrote about were heroes, thay did not compromise.

Her vision (coming from Soviet Russia) is of an environment where freedom is fosfered.

That freedom USED to be the United States, but today it's easir to see the United States and Soviet Russia, as enemies.

-John

she had an ideology she believed in and tried to live by which of course she did not in reality. This ideology was represented by the characters in her books. And knowing when to compromise and when not is humanity greatest gift. Never compromising will cause failure because nobody is a perfect being.

Humans get their cognitive strength from a mechanism of cognitive flexibility. This flexibility is also an inherent weakness. Compromising to be able to work as a group has far more advantages then thinking that oneself is flawless. Humans are not cold emotionless machines. Anybody can try to be cold hearted but it will always backfire. As always balance is the key. Knowing when to be selfish and when to be altruistic greatly increases the survival rate of any species. Unless you are a parasite as Ayn Rand sometimes behaved. Similar behavior can be found in the life and behavior of Karl Marx.
He always knew best, but he also borrowed a lot of money because for some reason he was always broke...


Alan Greenspan was a huge fan of Ayn Rand, and he implemented some of her economic ideals while he was fed chair.

Did this not turn out to be a failure ?
 

Thump553

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In this day of limited hyperaction attention spans I wonder how the movie will address John Galt's 50+ page rant/diatribe towards the end of the book-something that is really the essence of the book.

And yes Greenspan was a devotee of Rand-she had a weekly meeting of a small group of the faithful that he attended for decades.

It will be interesting to see how this movie does-it is certainly in tune with popular sentiment (much as Easy Rider was in the early seventies) but it has next to no story line or action-it is essential a political essay.

Those who want a preview dose look up The Fountainhead with Gary Cooper horribly misused.
 

Atreus21

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Neither are right. She went extreme in the opposite direction to communism.

The extreme of anything is never good. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

Disagree. There's nothing wrong with being extreme in your defense of 2+2=4.

Extremism is not always bad. Saying that it is is an extreme position.
 
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fskimospy

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Ayn Rand's ideas seem really nice until you meet up with our good friend 'reality'. They are infantile ideas that rely on assumptions as completely, hilariously false premises as communism does.

Her horrible theories aside, Atlas Shrugged is just a really bad book. Forget the insane ideology, try reading that piece of shit. Every character is a ridiculous caricature, separated into one of three types: the Captain of Industry, the Sycophantic Bureaucrat, or the Hard Working Man Just Trying To Do A Good Job For A Fair Day's Pay.

For fun, try covering up the name of the character identified in a spoken line, and try to figure out what character said it. It's nearly impossible, that's how awful her writing is.

Oh, and like the 80 page monologue will make you want to jab your thumbs into your eyes its so boring and repetitive.
 

CPA

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What the hell are you talking about? If you want to attack Rand and Objectivism, do it on the facts. I think she made it abundantly clear that she abhors all of that.

Don't argue with steeplerot, er, I mean Red, she hasn't read a book in her life.
 

CPA

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Ayn Rand's ideas seem really nice until you meet up with our good friend 'reality'. They are infantile ideas that rely on assumptions as completely, hilariously false premises as communism does.

Her horrible theories aside, Atlas Shrugged is just a really bad book. Forget the insane ideology, try reading that piece of shit. Every character is a ridiculous caricature, separated into one of three types: the Captain of Industry, the Sycophantic Bureaucrat, or the Hard Working Man Just Trying To Do A Good Job For A Fair Day's Pay.

For fun, try covering up the name of the character identified in a spoken line, and try to figure out what character said it. It's nearly impossible, that's how awful her writing is.

Oh, and like the 80 page monologue will make you want to jab your thumbs into your eyes its so boring and repetitive.

I thought it was a very good book, not great, but very good. Yes, her style can be long-winded. I will agree with you that the 80 page monologue could be summarized into about 3 pages. But, I still enjoyed it.
 

desy

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I've only read the fountainhead
It wasn't a great read 'a page turner' however I remember good chunks of it so it must have had some impact
 

PeshakJang

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Civilization is a good thing. Rand's vaunted "captains of industry" are just more of the same bourgeois class screwing us she hates government for.

She was also a nut who was into rape and considered child kidnapper/murderers a hero.

The movie looks like a shitty made for tv thing (or at best youtube) but then what do you expect from a bunch of greedy sociopaths trying to make "art".

Hey, Citizen! Didn't you hear? They have ice cream in Petrograd!
 

crashtestdummy

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Wow. A lot of Rand hate from people who haven't read her books enough to actually form an opinion. As a liberal, I say read Atlas Shrugged, keep an open mind, and wait to make a judgement until the end.

For me the most important thing she did was alter the rhetoric of philosophy. I come from an exceptionally liberal background, and with that comes a certain language when discussing topics. What you don't realize most of your youth is how much that language usage affects the way you understand issues. What Rand does is turn all of that rhetoric on its head. Instead of the selfless individual helping society, you have the leech living of of others' productivity. Instead of the greedy CEO, you have the brilliant producer who just wants an exchange of ideas.

I still reject most of her philosophy. I find her to be as naive as the far left in her understanding of human nature and her assertions as to what makes for a fulfilling existence. Furthermore, she herself at times falls into the trap of using her rhetoric to mask gaps in her arguments (although it's a novel--we can ease up on that a bit). What she did, though, was force me to reexamine my own beliefs and understand which ones I truly believed in, and which ones I believed in because of the language I understood them in. I believe I am a stronger, better informed person for having read her work, even though I disagree with much of the content.
 
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CycloWizard

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Whether or not you agree with her ideology, everything she said in that book has or is coming true about the path of our nation. I don't have any expectations for the movie though.
 

Capt Caveman

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Free Markets mean all can be what they are. There is no limitation on them.

No Taxes, no Government, no Religion.

It's a simple idea, and one that Government would like to abolish.

-John {Galt}

No taxes? No Government? Aren't you the one that says Government should provide everyone with fire protection?
 

Martin

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If you're looking to watch some good fantasy, George Martin's Song of Ice and Fire premiers two days later on HBO. I mean, it's not as whimsically fantastical as Ayn Rand's writings, but should be great nevertheless.
 

Thump553

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Wow. A lot of Rand hate from people who haven't read her books enough to actually form an opinion. . .

On what do you base your assumption? I read several Rand books, even sat through at least part of The Fountainhead. I read Rand for the same reason I read Karl Marx and big chunks of the Bible -to decide for myself what value, if any, their philosophies might have to me rather than relying on what others tell me.

Rand's ideas are not for the real world but sound real good when confined to a narrowly construed artificial environment. In that regard she has a lot in common with Karl Marx, but I would say she has more in common with the founder of Scientology. Two unique American cults that originated in the 1950s.