ATI's X1000 bound for AGP market

[tuteja1986]

http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=3375&cid=6

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The GECUBE RADEON X1000 AGP series all support Avivo technology. An unprecedented 10 bit processor via Avivo?s display engine enhances the quality of video capture and playback delivering 64 times the number of colours currently available in PCs.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28456

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After Diamond MultiMedia sucked badly after paper-launching X1800AGP product and then sending a copy&paste e-mail instead of a press release with their error, many gamers came to us and asked will there ever be a new AGP board with new tech. Things are about to change - one of largest ATi partners is finally coming out with products of X1000 range in AGP flavour, just in time for Yule sale madness.
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http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4173

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The Accellerated Graphics Port really isn't dead yet. It's 8x variant can still provide enough bandwidth for an upgrade to a latest generation card to be worthwhile. As a result, a few manufacturers have come forth with AGP variants of recent ATI and NVIDIA products. Today it's the turn of GeCube, announcing two Radeon X1000 series AGP cards.
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[RussianSensation]

Unless you want good image quality with X1300 series, this changes nothing in the graphics card market imo.

What are these companies thinking? How about releasing 7800GT in AGP and getting 100% of high-end market during the holidays. 60% have AGP systems. But let's throw more crap cards in AGP format please....

 

[tuteja1986]

who knows ... maybe nvidia would launch the 7600GT in AGP too in march when it comes out :? Its a start atleast

 

[CKXP]

this really sucks, if ATI thinks people are willing to buy x1300 and x1600agp, then why not release an x1800agp? i rather buy a x850xt or x800xl

 

[tuteja1986]

if x1600agp sell for arround $160ish then i think it maybe worth it

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: CKXP
this really sucks, if ATI thinks people are willing to buy x1300 and x1600agp, then why not release an x1800agp? i rather buy a x850xt or x800xl

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28460">
RV560, X1600 re-spin to be named X1700...</a>

The RV530 core was thoroughly modified in order to increase the performance, so it's no wonder the company has decided to call it X1700.

 

[Paratus]

Hmm looks like I'm waiting (even longer ) for an X1700XT in AGP.


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[fierydemise]

This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Atleast there is progress!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

I am sorry if I hurt anyones feeling with this, but people who think like this are the problem with the Computer industry as a whole. Companies need to stop coddling people with continual support of Legacy hardware. I for one am happy that they are holding back on AGP hardware, AGP was a stop gap at best and was run through the ringer for 10 years finding workarounds and shortcuts to get bandwidth up. Me I want Standard PCI, AGP, Floppy, LPT, Serial, Standard Bios, PS2, IDE, and all other out dated tech gone. It keeps new tech more expensive and ties the hands of innovation because of the need to support the last tech.

The Funny thing is the same people who shout up and down about AGP, and saying things like their are Profits to be made by sellling it to you, are the same type of people that shout condemn another company for hunting for that extra buck in any other type of situation.

 

[n7]

Bah!

No X1800 products = no use for these new AGP cards.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: n7
Bah!

No X1800 products = no use for these new AGP cards.

are these cards THAT bad? im sure they would blow away my 9800pro.

anyone have benchies on the x1600?

 

[erwos]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: n7
Bah!

No X1800 products = no use for these new AGP cards.

are these cards THAT bad? im sure they would blow away my 9800pro.

anyone have benchies on the x1600?

For reference, a 6800GS beats the snot out of the X1600, and the 6600GT pummels the X1300. n7 is dead-on - unless you're in serious need of the AVIVO functionality, this doesn't really help the situation.

-Erwos

 

[BGuardian75]

The x1600XT is decent but very odd, it loses to an X800GTO in some benches and beats it in others. I'm pretty sure I saw the benchmarks at x-bit labs, on their huge video card roundup.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

I am sorry if I hurt anyones feeling with this, but people who think like this are the problem with the Computer industry as a whole. Companies need to stop coddling people with continual support of Legacy hardware. I for one am happy that they are holding back on AGP hardware, AGP was a stop gap at best and was run through the ringer for 10 years finding workarounds and shortcuts to get bandwidth up. Me I want Standard PCI, AGP, Floppy, LPT, Serial, Standard Bios, PS2, IDE, and all other out dated tech gone. It keeps new tech more expensive and ties the hands of innovation because of the need to support the last tech.

The Funny thing is the same people who shout up and down about AGP, and saying things like their are Profits to be made by sellling it to you, are the same type of people that shout condemn another company for hunting for that extra buck in any other type of situation.

Well you don't hurt my feelings, but "new tech" without the NEED does. The current graphics cards are not exceeding the X8 bus anyways. So there is no need for a PCIe X16. It's about money, not better techknowledgy. Altho with the G80 and such later next year, we may start to see that bandwidth used.

As for older techknowledgy, I go with "If it aint broke, don't try to fix it" type thing.

My .02

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze

Originally posted by: n7
Bah!

No X1800 products = no use for these new AGP cards.

are these cards THAT bad? im sure they would blow away my 9800pro.

anyone have benchies on the x1600?

yes, they are that bad.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

Maybe since ATI and nVidia make both motherboards and video card chips, they've figured out that you're in a 70% market of motherboard customers they can starve out with no good AGP cards and force you to buy a new motherboard? :laugh:

Or maybe they've done a search on Ebay like I just did, and saw the last P4 2.8 cpu/mobo combo went for $215 + $20 shipping, realized you could buy a FAR superior A64 cpu/mobo for a few dollars more than that, and have your pick of any video card at a cheaper price. Then they thought, "Only guys who like to hold on to ancient hardware and post lots of emoticons while arguing meaningless points would not take such a path".

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

I am sorry if I hurt anyones feeling with this, but people who think like this are the problem with the Computer industry as a whole. Companies need to stop coddling people with continual support of Legacy hardware. I for one am happy that they are holding back on AGP hardware, AGP was a stop gap at best and was run through the ringer for 10 years finding workarounds and shortcuts to get bandwidth up. Me I want Standard PCI, AGP, Floppy, LPT, Serial, Standard Bios, PS2, IDE, and all other out dated tech gone. It keeps new tech more expensive and ties the hands of innovation because of the need to support the last tech.

The Funny thing is the same people who shout up and down about AGP, and saying things like their are Profits to be made by sellling it to you, are the same type of people that shout condemn another company for hunting for that extra buck in any other type of situation.

Well you don't hurt my feelings, but "new tech" without the NEED does. The current graphics cards are not exceeding the X8 bus anyways. So there is no need for a PCIe X16. It's about money, not better techknowledgy. Altho with the G80 and such later next year, we may start to see that bandwidth used.

As for older techknowledgy, I go with "If it aint broke, don't try to fix it" type thing.

My .02

This is just the way it is, and has been. The tail does not wag the dog, the industry decides what you'll own, and those who rebel end up buying over priced antiquities.

The VESA > PCI move offered no more performance, the PCI to AGP move offered no more performance, and every AGP upgrade since has offered.....no more performance.

You will not hold back the industry, forcing you to buy new motherboards benefits them. 7800s have been out 6 months, I think if nVidia cared about the AGP market, we'd have the cards by now.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Well you don't hurt my feelings, but "new tech" without the NEED does. The current graphics cards are not exceeding the X8 bus anyways. So there is no need for a PCIe X16. It's about money, not better techknowledgy. Altho with the G80 and such later next year, we may start to see that bandwidth used.

As for older techknowledgy, I go with "If it aint broke, don't try to fix it" type thing.

My .02

Although I'm sure it's possible (a la Voodoo's), I can't imagine SLI on AGP.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: fierydemise
This is a step in the right direction, if the low and midrange cards are being released in AGP how long till we see the X1800 in AGP then to compete nVidia will get in on the AGP market, at least I can hope.

when they figure out that MANY of us with midrange AGP systems ARE willing to spend upwards of $400 on a dead-end system.
:Q

i guess they can't figure it out that 70% of their market is AGP
:thumbsdown:

someone will

and they will make money

I am sorry if I hurt anyones feeling with this, but people who think like this are the problem with the Computer industry as a whole. Companies need to stop coddling people with continual support of Legacy hardware. I for one am happy that they are holding back on AGP hardware, AGP was a stop gap at best and was run through the ringer for 10 years finding workarounds and shortcuts to get bandwidth up. Me I want Standard PCI, AGP, Floppy, LPT, Serial, Standard Bios, PS2, IDE, and all other out dated tech gone. It keeps new tech more expensive and ties the hands of innovation because of the need to support the last tech.

The Funny thing is the same people who shout up and down about AGP, and saying things like their are Profits to be made by sellling it to you, are the same type of people that shout condemn another company for hunting for that extra buck in any other type of situation.

Well you don't hurt my feelings, but "new tech" without the NEED does. The current graphics cards are not exceeding the X8 bus anyways. So there is no need for a PCIe X16. It's about money, not better techknowledgy. Altho with the G80 and such later next year, we may start to see that bandwidth used.

As for older techknowledgy, I go with "If it aint broke, don't try to fix it" type thing.

My .02

This is just the way it is, and has been. The tail does not wag the dog, the industry decides what you'll own, and those who rebel end up buying over priced antiquities.

The VESA > PCI move offered no more performance, the PCI to AGP move offered no more performance, and every AGP upgrade since has offered.....no more performance.

You will not hold back the industry, forcing you to buy new motherboards benefits them. 7800s have been out 6 months, I think if nVidia cared about the AGP market, we'd have the cards by now.

You made a good point, " the industry decides what you'll own", NVIDIA/ATI do not care about 70% of the market (market=people). It's a simple money making thing. They throw out a bunch of hype, we all go OOOHHH LA LA and the hooks are in. They lead, we follow....reminds me of watching cows line up for the slaughter house. MOOOO!

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Rollo
This is just the way it is, and has been. The tail does not wag the dog, the industry decides what you'll own, and those who rebel end up buying over priced antiquities.

To some extent, yes. But, as a counterexample, BTX cases/motherboards haven't exactly taken off, despite Intel's hard push to adopt it.

The VESA > PCI move offered no more performance, the PCI to AGP move offered no more performance, and every AGP upgrade since has offered.....no more performance.

That's not entirely fair; VLB and PCI would both be woefully inadequate for the bandwidth needs of the cards we have today. And I'm pretty sure a lot of cards would be hurting at 1-2X AGP as well. PCI is also shared with a number of other peripherals (like sound cards, and sometimes Ethernet controllers, although these are usually directly connected to the NB/SB now, but it wasn't always that way).

Moving to PCIe was not needed (at least yet) in terms of bandwidth for rendering, but it's more scalable, easier to manufacture (since you don't need nearly as many traces on the motherboard), and you can have more than one high-speed slot (whereas putting 2+ AGP ports on a motherboard would be a nightmare due to the wiring). It also offers the capability (at some point, once legacy PCI components are phased out) to have just one connection type for any internal expansion card (which is a big win in terms of standardizing components).

It also offers a *lot* more upstream bandwith (card->CPU) than AGP. This isn't very relevant for 3D video cards (since very little data has to travel the other way, except when SLI is in use), but it is critical for a lot of other components. You can put a RAID drive controller, Gigabit Ethernet card, or HD video capture board in a PCIex16 slot; you can't do that with AGP.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Atleast there is progress!

 

[otispunkmeyer]

just more reason to upgrade to PCI-E

yes computers are an expensive hobby, but the industry and the world must go forwards. those that cannot keep up, get left behind. its crap that its like that, but thats the only way it can be.

and how is releasing new cards in AGP progress?.........its more like side-gress.......something new, but not going forward, nor going back

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
just more reason to upgrade to PCI-E

yes computers are an expensive hobby, but the industry and the world must go forwards. those that cannot keep up, get left behind. its crap that its like that, but thats the only way it can be.

and how is releasing new cards in AGP progress?.........its more like side-gress.......something new, but not going forward, nor going back

Progress for the AGPers. Get it now?