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ATI Radeon 10000

um.... against NV30, and let me guess.... By that time ATi people will start calling their card NV30 Killer....
Then... guess what.... It turns out to be another disappointment...
 
THE GAMES, where are the games that can use all this horsepower? I'm so bored with the game selection I'm playing Tomb Raider.
 
That's good news, but the name "Radeon 10000" kinda cracked me up. 🙂

So I suppose that 10000 is the ultimate number to kill all those 4600 and other inferior beings, huh? 🙂
 
Good gawd, ATi is really gunning for nVidia.

First off, the Radeon 8500 has fully matured to the point where the drivers are almost sound, and it's available at a rediculously great price.

Second, you've got ATi's CPU chipsets which, when launched this summer, could make a damn big impact, considering ATi isn't limited to the Athlon market like nVidia's nForce is, ATi can give the Pentium 4 market a go, where there's more opportunity. In addition, the laptop prospects for ATi's CPU chipsets look even better. 😀
 
Dongit, ATI.

I'm mad, but not because you guys have a really sweet card coming out. It's because I have the 8500 right now and I like to think i'm on top of the video card heap. Ahhh, it's all coming too fast! Slow down guys... how about a 2003 release? 😉
 


<< um.... against NV30, and let me guess.... By that time ATi people will start calling their card NV30 Killer....
Then... guess what.... It turns out to be another disappointment... >>



does this mean NV30 is coming out this fall

I just yawned when the GF4 TiXXXX came out because i was not very impressed

but NV30 = 😀 3dfx + Nvidia

I have a radeon 8500 and am very pleased with its performance and stability and am looking forward to the R300 vs NV30 battle

i did not know Nvidia would have NV30 ready by this fall because frankly i was expecting a Geforce 4 SUPER TI XXXXXX or something of that nature from them 🙂
 
<<Then... guess what.... It turns out to be another disappointment... >>

Personally i'd like to know what the heck your talking about? I personally have 3 Radeon 8500's and they flat out rock. I really enjoy the image quality and the performace of the Ti500 it has. I'm not sure how you can consider that a disappointment (other than maybe you have no clue what your talking about).

The name is kinda silly though, but thats the nature of things (higher the number, the better they think it will sound to the public, and the better it will sell). Hopefully it will indeed be a kick ass card though.
 


<< Dongit, ATI.

I'm mad, but not because you guys have a really sweet card coming out. It's because I have the 8500 right now and I like to think i'm on top of the video card heap. Ahhh, it's all coming too fast! Slow down guys... how about a 2003 release? 😉 >>




my sentiments exactly 😀
 
I sincerely hope they do not name it that Radeon 10,000.
One thing I respect about ATi is they have clear and simple naming scheme that the average consumer can easily understand.
Radeon 7XXX=DX7.
Radeon 8XXX=DX8.
Higher number=better performance.

I'f prefer it if they named it 9XXX, denoting it's DX9 hardware support.
This relative to nVidia in which we've got DX7 cards in the GF4 series (GF4 MX), and DX8 cards in the GF3 series. GF1's (DDR) beating out GF2's (MX). etc.
nVidia's naming scheme merely serves to confuse the less knowledgeable consumers, ATi's is nice and simple and easily understandable.

In that respect I'm quite pleased with ATi.
 
I'd consider an ATI card.. I think the 8500 is the first really good card they're almost ever had... but I also don't think that is a completely safe card to buy just because NVidia cards seem to be so widely supported and are very compatible and stable.. not saying the 8500 isn't, but you take more of a chance.. I'd try out their next offering though, I let other people test drive the first off the line product before I buy.. 😀
 

and don't forget to add Creative/3dlabs first offering to the gamers in Oct. to the mix
they might blindside everybody if they can make a wildcat type card at affordable price
 


<< I sincerely hope they do not name it that Radeon 10,000.
One thing I respect about ATi is they have clear and simple naming scheme that the average consumer can easily understand.
Radeon 7XXX=DX7.
Radeon 8XXX=DX8.
Higher number=better performance.

I'f prefer it if they named it 9XXX, denoting it's DX9 hardware support.
This relative to nVidia in which we've got DX7 cards in the GF4 series (GF4 MX), and DX8 cards in the GF3 series. GF1's (DDR) beating out GF2's (MX). etc.
nVidia's naming scheme merely serves to confuse the less knowledgeable consumers, ATi's is nice and simple and easily understandable.

In that respect I'm quite pleased with ATi. >>



Agreed, I also hope they call it 9XXX. By sept, I should be due for an upgrade from my Radeon 7500... Competition is so nice it's the only way I'm able to afford a half decent card 😀

-Ice
 


<< Personally i'd like to know what the heck your talking about? I personally have 3 Radeon 8500's and they flat out rock. I really enjoy the image quality and the performace of the Ti500 it has. I'm not sure how you can consider that a disappointment (other than maybe you have no clue what your talking about). >>



Have you owned a Ti500? Have you actually owned BOTH cards? Probably not. Sure Radeon8500 is cheap and fast. But at what cost? I mean the driver is buggy (much better now). I think this is called you get what you paid for. Performance wise, it is still below Ti500.
 
Have you owned a Ti500? Have you actually owned BOTH cards? Probably not. Sure Radeon8500 is cheap and fast. But at what cost? I mean the driver is buggy (much better now). I think this is called you get what you paid for. Performance wise, it is still below Ti500

But the price point of the Radeon 8500 is almost the same as the Ti200, which is quite excellent. Also, ATI has realized that in order to gain momentum, they have to release the chipset so that other manufacturers can make them. Hercules just signed up. I wouldn' be surprised if ATI stops making their own cards.
 


<< I sincerely hope they do not name it that Radeon 10,000.
One thing I respect about ATi is they have clear and simple naming scheme that the average consumer can easily understand.
Radeon 7XXX=DX7.
Radeon 8XXX=DX8.
Higher number=better performance.

I'f prefer it if they named it 9XXX, denoting it's DX9 hardware support.
This relative to nVidia in which we've got DX7 cards in the GF4 series (GF4 MX), and DX8 cards in the GF3 series. GF1's (DDR) beating out GF2's (MX). etc.
nVidia's naming scheme merely serves to confuse the less knowledgeable consumers, ATi's is nice and simple and easily understandable.

In that respect I'm quite pleased with ATi. >>

This I find unrealistic. In no way will any random Joe Average consumer know that a Radeon 7500 equates to full DX7 support, just like they won't know that a Radeon 8500 equates to full DX8 support. Heck, even I didn't know that ATi's Radeon numbering system equated to DX until recently, and I like to think I know a lot about ATi's products. How is Mr. Average supposed to know.

Certainly ATi's numbering system is less confusing than nVidia's, I'll give you that.
 


<< ATI has realized that in order to gain momentum, they have to release the chipset so that other manufacturers can make them. Hercules just signed up. I wouldn' be surprised if ATI stops making their own cards. >>



And so has Gigabyte.... I have a Gigabyte Radeon 8500 LE Pro (apd64) due to arrive from newegg any day now. Gigabyte has three ATI boards, two Radeon 8500's ( an 8500 and 8500LE) and a Radeon 7500 board.

I agree that's an interesting move on ATI's part!!!🙂
 
<<Have you owned a Ti500? Have you actually owned BOTH cards? Probably not. Sure Radeon8500 is cheap and fast. But at what cost? I mean the driver is buggy (much better now). I think this is called you get what you paid for. Performance wise, it is still below Ti500.>>

The Radeon 8500 was my first ATI (other than laptop chipsets) that i had own other than Nvidia or Voodoo. I owned a Ti200 for awhile, which is the exact same core, just slower clock speeds. I gave it up because ATI had a better product overall and i was very happy with the price point i could get them at and the performance/features they provided.

It's apparent you don't know what your talking about. ATI's drivers for the 8500/7500 have been nothing but solid. Thats like still using the excuse AMD overheats or uses too much wattage, come on now, what a lame fight.

As far as performance, they are a wash. The performance goes back and forth depending on what game you benchmark with. Also the fact that ATI has a better image quality to boot.

So your only problem appears to be that it has "buggy drivers", which all the beta drivers ive been using have been wonderful. You can get a better looking card, with the same performance and stability for $100 less....hmmmmm doesnt take a rocket scientist to know what i'm gunna buy!

 
If ATI could get their act together and produce good drivers from the get-go and not 6 months or a year later, then it would definitely be a company to contend with. The hardware is superior to Nvidia's but the driver support has not been the greatest. Sure it works great on your machine, but many people have had problems in different programs and stability. Try that with Nvidia's cards and you will see that overall there are alot less people complaining that they have problems getting set up and working(and this is strange considering Nvidia has a much larger market share than ATI so you would expect more complaints).

Now I am going to get the 8500 cause hey, it's a great deal and I don't mind playing around with drivers, plus they're more mature now, but if I had to have cutting edge and both the GF4 or R300 came out today, I would go with the GF4. I would like to support Ati more cause they're a great Canadian company but I shouldn't have to wait months while they work out the bugs on a product that is a generation old. Yes, the 8500 is $100 less right now, but it's been out for months and the GF4 has just come out. I'm not guaranteed that Ati will support the 8500 after they release new gens of their cards(not universal drivers) but at least with Nvidia the drivers can be used way back to the TNT, and since this is the case, I'm going to make sure that the card works now before I buy it otherwise it might never work they way that it should.
 


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<< Personally i'd like to know what the heck your talking about? I personally have 3 Radeon 8500's and they flat out rock. I really enjoy the image quality and the performace of the Ti500 it has. I'm not sure how you can consider that a disappointment (other than maybe you have no clue what your talking about). >>



Have you owned a Ti500? Have you actually owned BOTH cards? Probably not. Sure Radeon8500 is cheap and fast. But at what cost? I mean the driver is buggy (much better now). I think this is called you get what you paid for. Performance wise, it is still below Ti500. >>



ATI's drivers are no more buggy then Nvidia ( I own both cards, and have just as many problems with the Nvidia card if not more)....
So, please, it is time everyone gets off the bad driver kick. It's funny that when Nvidia has problems, it is mentioned and never talked about much again, but ATI messes up, or has problems, and it is dragged out for years.....

Daniel
 


<< ATI's drivers are no more buggy then Nvidia ( I own both cards, and have just as many problems with the Nvidia card if not more).... >>

i think the reason people are more upset when ati has driver problems is because they have a history of them, not that they just hate ati. it seems every time ati releases a new card, there is some driver problem that causes the performance to drop below expected levels. like with the release of 8500, there was problems expected, and when there actually were driver problems, its like "oh gee - more problems, just like i thought"
however, i think ati is getting back on the game and is continuing to improve. (for the record, i have an 8500, and have had NO driver problems - im using the beta 6043's)
 
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