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ATI R580+ FORMERLY KNOWN AS X1950 XTX RELEASE DATE

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humanentity

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Excitement of the comunity about directx 10 compliant cards has pushed away the next Ati highend card from discussion in most forums, next ati card is not the R600 but the R580+, a refresh of the 580 with improved clock frequency and GDDR4 that media sites have reported to be marketed officialy under the name X1950.

Now my question is if ppl guesses for r600 release, range from the most optimistic October one to the more realistic December, when do you think the X1950 will be released because i cannot think of a so short lifespan for a product if as ppl are saying this card is finally released on september, i mean if it really is gonna be a 2 to 4 months product would be a waste even investing on marketing. So my guess is that the unique release launch that makes any sense is as soon as early august.

We should not also forget that nvidia g80 is a directx 10 capatble (non native solution) and except for the red fanboys i cannot see too much ppl going for the ati X1950 directx 9 one once the nvidia g80 is released some time in september october time.

Wht do you think

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ATI R580+ is expected to be released in August / September on a 90nm process. R580+ is expected to be an clock-enhanced version of R580, featuring a 700Mhz core clock, cherry picked from current R580 GPUs, interfacing to 2Ghz+ GDDR4 memory.
 
Originally posted by: the Chase
I think the 580+ GPU's are going to draw one big MEH from enthusiasts. Unified or nothing for me....
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well if it beats the crap out of 7950gx2 and equal G80 then i doubt it.
 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
Originally posted by: the Chase
I think the 580+ GPU's are going to draw one big MEH from enthusiasts. Unified or nothing for me....
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well if it beats the crap out of 7950gx2 and equal G80 then i doubt it.
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especially given DX10 only games are likely a good way away yet...
 
I think the 580+ GPU's are going to draw one big MEH from enthusiasts. Unified or nothing for me


remember that for the moment the unique performance that you should care about is DIRECTX 9 you wont get directx 10 games till windows vista release there will be no directx 10 for windows xp, know think about it, how reliable is microsoft on release dates. And maybe im wrong but i think i read about g80 not being unified was like 32 16 16 arquitecture so you will have to wait for 6 months for the first directx 10 native card and 7 to who knows for the first directx 10 game to be released too much for me.
 
Originally posted by: humanentity
We should not also forget that nvidia g80 is a directx 10 capatble (non native solution) and except for the red fanboys i cannot see too much ppl going for the ati X1950 directx 9 one once the nvidia g80 is released some time in september october time.
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Just because G80 is DX10 capable doesn't mean everyone will go for that considering most games will be DX9 for the forseeable future. If the X1950 performs about on par with a G80 (of course this is debatable as no one has seen benches for either card) then there will still be people willing to buy the R580+ I suspect.

This reminds of the 6800 release...it had SM3 but almost no games to support it, and the G80 will be DX10 but literally no DX10 games when it comes out. I can just see it now...all the NVidia backers will be like "but it has DX10...FUTURE PROOF yourself NOW!!!":roll:. Of course it's almost a given that the G80 will have very good DX9 performance so it should be recommended on that merit.

 
Geez I hope G80 can perform faster than an XTX at 700/2000 .. I mean, my card is damn fast and admittedly overkill much of the time for 1680x1050 but I was looking more for a much greater boost in performance than that. I doubt a 700/2000 is going to be significantly faster than a 700/1800
 
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: humanentity
We should not also forget that nvidia g80 is a directx 10 capatble (non native solution) and except for the red fanboys i cannot see too much ppl going for the ati X1950 directx 9 one once the nvidia g80 is released some time in september october time.
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Just because G80 is DX10 capable doesn't mean everyone will go for that considering most games will be DX9 for the forseeable future. If the X1950 performs about on par with a G80 (of course this is debatable as no one has seen benches for either card) then there will still be people willing to buy the R580+ I suspect.

This reminds of the 6800 release...it had SM3 but almost no games to support it, and the G80 will be DX10 but literally no DX10 games when it comes out. I can just see it now...all the NVidia backers will be like "but it has DX10...FUTURE PROOF yourself NOW!!!":roll:. Of course it's almost a given that the G80 will have very good DX9 performance so it should be recommended on that merit.
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I thought computers can't be future-proofed? 😀

But still, I agree that there is no need to rush.
 
I would guess that R580+ will show up in August, right around the time that school is starting back up and so when there are quite a bit of sales. If nothing else, it will give ATi some bragging rights that can help sell their lower end stuff. It could be September or later though, who knows. As for product life, well remember the X1800s were replaced by the X1900 just a few months later. I think ATi learned their lesson their, but maybe not. It could be that maybe ATi and nVidia are just trying to cylce their products in such a way that they don't release near the same time and so they each get to hold the performance crown for a couple of months before newer competition comes out.

I believe its supposed to be an 80nm part. Also, I was thinking that they were saying it should be in the 800mhz+ category for core clock speed. If they manage that, then it will be something worth considering (well if it doesn't bake itself that is). That or maybe it will be just a 700 core card but will help push prices down.

At the very least it should give ATi an ok boost in performance, and they can add HDCP and maybe improve a couple of other things.

I'm going to wait and see how it turns out. If its good, then I'll probably pick it up, although it depends on the price discrepency. I might just go for an X1800 or X1900 if they fall the right price, and then wait and pick up G80 or R600. I'm not concerned at all with DirectX 10 at this point. I think it'll be a year after Vista is out before we'll see any worthwhile game that requires it.
 
I think they need R580+ so they can make a decent profit on their high-end part. From what I have read, the yields on R580 are relatively low as it is a pretty large and complicated chip and this is hurting the profit margins on what should be their highest margin product.
 
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.

 
Originally posted by: humanentity
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Where are you getting this information?
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if you are asking about the quote is from mikeshardware roadmaps
http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ306.htm

the new name was posted on a few sites but as someone suggests above i read it here

R580+ becomes Radeon X1950XTX

but if you r asking about release dates for g80 and r600 those are guesses from ppl posting here
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So it's Mike's Hardware speculation (he just post's what he reads true or otherwise, he was on the R520 32 pipe bandwagon) and Inq BS not exactly the authoritative sources I expected based on how sure you're first post sounded.

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Well none of us know what the specs of G80 are so it seems a bit hasty to declare it the winner of this round before the benchmarks. The GDDR4 will probably help the R580+ be better at what R580 already is, low performance hit with AA, which should help it in the most important situations to the people in the market for these cards but the GDDR4 should reduce power consumption which is much needed. Higher clocks will also definitely help but they may also reduce quantities and R580+ may be ATI's 512MB GTX
 
Originally posted by: humanentity
I think the 580+ GPU's are going to draw one big MEH from enthusiasts. Unified or nothing for me


remember that for the moment the unique performance that you should care about is DIRECTX 9 you wont get directx 10 games till windows vista release there will be no directx 10 for windows xp, know think about it, how reliable is microsoft on release dates. And maybe im wrong but i think i read about g80 not being unified was like 32 16 16 arquitecture so you will have to wait for 6 months for the first directx 10 native card and 7 to who knows for the first directx 10 game to be released too much for me.
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Yeah it depends if you need a new card at this time or not. I just bought a card 6 months ago or so and will probably wait until the R600 refresh or G81 comes out.

OOhhhh hey- I just went Golden...
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Will it be faster than a 7950GX2? Probably not.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Will it be faster than a 7950GX2? Probably not.
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well if its not and its priced appropriatly it will still compete. plus it will force the price of the x1900xt down to 300 range and thats always good.
 
Originally posted by: thilan29

This reminds of the 6800 release...it had SM3 but almost no games to support it, and the G80 will be DX10 but literally no DX10 games when it comes out. I can just see it now...all the NVidia backers will be like "but it has DX10...FUTURE PROOF yourself NOW!!!":roll:. Of course it's almost a given that the G80 will have very good DX9 performance so it should be recommended on that merit.
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In terms of Direct X this seems unique to me.

Direct X (due to backwards compatibility) has just about always been able to be in the newest games without that much of a hassle. And the SDK for it tends to be out before it is (see DX10).

But I think tying it to Vista is going to make this DirectX the least used out the gate of any of them since before version 5.

While noone had the new shaders (and they aren't that widespread) games where still using the new DirectX.
 
Most people who planned on getting a x1900 series card already got one by now, and I dont expect anyone to upgrade from a x1900xt to a x1950xt. Also this r580+ may draw even more power than the r580, due to higher clocks. But if they manage to put a quieter cooler on it then the power draw wont matter to 99.9% of the ppl who are actually considering buying it. IMO, though, Ati has the high end market covered, they should instead be releasing the r560 and r570 ASAP to have more competitive and profitable midrange products. Giving away x1800xt's at ~$200 a piece is hardly a profitable plan.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Will it be faster than a 7950GX2? Probably not.
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An XTX with a good OC is already close in most situations 🙂 (and sometimes faster 😉
 
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