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ATI R580+ FORMERLY KNOWN AS X1950 XTX RELEASE DATE

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Originally posted by: Rangoric
While noone had the new shaders (and they aren't that widespread) games where still using the new DirectX.
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DX10 will be used for sure but several months (if not more) after the G80 comes out. And even when DX10 comes out, it'll probably be a while before it's features are used. My point was that the G80 being DX10 capable shouldn't be the major selling point...it's performance in available games should be its selling point.
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Will it be faster than a 7950GX2? Probably not.
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An XTX with a good OC is already close in most situations 🙂 (and sometimes faster 😉
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Yeah, but the GX2 comsumes LESS power than the X1900XTX at load already, which is just amazing.

I am 99% sure G80 will be something like X850XT --> X1800XT in terms of architectural design and features. Im sure NV had enjoying milking out as many profits as possible with the nv4x(G70 being nv47) architecture.

I agree with munky. ATi is not doing very well in the mid range market ever since the X1600 series flop (well it was way too lackluster). The 7300GT/7600GS/GT combination is doing quite well.

I interested at the X1900GTs (RV570) performance and the R560. I heard these were the cards that can be crossfired without the dongle? (i also heard about needing a internal link bridge)
 
True that power consumption on nvidia's side is nice but the difference isn't really enough to matter in any practical sense
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
True that power consumption on nvidia's side is nice but the difference isn't really enough to matter in any practical sense
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But if the R580 is on 80nm, and can be oced near 800mhz.. 😀
 
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: Frackal
True that power consumption on nvidia's side is nice but the difference isn't really enough to matter in any practical sense
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But if the R580 is on 80nm, and can be oced near 800mhz.. 😀
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Yeah that would be crazy. I'm going water as soon as I get conroe and I'm hoping for about 750/1850 on my XTX
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
An XTX with a good OC is already close in most situations 🙂 (and sometimes faster 😉
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I have seen the 7950 ahead by 40 or 50 fps in some benchmarks. No overclock short of liquid nitrogen is going to close that gap. Not to mention many people have been getting higher clocks out of the 7950.

 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If it arrives at the same time frame as G80.. then whats the point?

Giving it GDDR4 may help, but i dont see signifcant performance increases just from using GDDR4. I think main point of this card is to reduce power consumption, since the R580 draws ALOT of power.
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Will it be faster than a 7950GX2? Probably not.
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well if its not and its priced appropriatly it will still compete. plus it will force the price of the x1900xt down to 300 range and thats always good.
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That's the best thing about new releases, IMO. More often than not the previous items get shoved off to the side and prices go south 😀

Hoorah for not being on the bleeding edge of technology.
 
will ATI pull a g80?Like make the r580+ dx10 compatable without unified shaders.
If nvidia can do it,so can ATI.(i guess/hope)Cause dx 10 future proofing is gonna be a major selling point of the g80.(inspite of the fact that there won't be dx 10 games for another good 4-6 months)
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: Frackal
An XTX with a good OC is already close in most situations 🙂 (and sometimes faster 😉
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Link?

I have seen the 7950 ahead by 40 or 50 fps in some benchmarks. No overclock short of liquid nitrogen is going to close that gap. Not to mention many people have been getting higher clocks out of the 7950.
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Yep, go look at AT's own review for one. Add a conservative 10% to the XT's scores because they are an XT and not XTX (oced) and you've got the XTX within a few frames in most 1600x1200 res. (in lower res it sometimes wins and in higher res will lose).

If you want to be even more realistic, remember that nvidia loses even more performance once its default quality settings are turned up to meet ATI's default High Quality settings.
 
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
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thing is, since they have less heat, they up the clock even more, so it ends up putting out aroudn the same amount of heat... it just rebalances highers speeds @ same temp or so,
happens most of the time
 
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
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thing is, since they have less heat, they up the clock even more, so it ends up putting out aroudn the same amount of heat... it just rebalances highers speeds @ same temp or so,
happens most of the time
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I don't know about that the 7900gt is just shruken 7800gtx and they increased the speed and put a smaller cooler on it.
 
Originally posted by: redbox
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
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thing is, since they have less heat, they up the clock even more, so it ends up putting out aroudn the same amount of heat... it just rebalances highers speeds @ same temp or so,
happens most of the time
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I don't know about that the 7900gt is just shruken 7800gtx and they increased the speed and put a smaller cooler on it.
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yeah but gt is mainstream model. 8900gtx has the larger cooler and the higher clocks.
 
Originally posted by: redbox
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
Click to expand...

thing is, since they have less heat, they up the clock even more, so it ends up putting out aroudn the same amount of heat... it just rebalances highers speeds @ same temp or so,
happens most of the time
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I don't know about that the 7900gt is just shruken 7800gtx and they increased the speed and put a smaller cooler on it.
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However, the difference from 90nm to 80nm probably won't achieve the same heat level drops that 130nm to 90nm could I think. This is purely speculation on my part though.
 
Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: redbox
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
It will probably draw less power due to GDDR4 memory and 80nm. So less power, less heat, higher clocks, ITS ALL GOOD BABY 😎 😎 😎
Click to expand...

thing is, since they have less heat, they up the clock even more, so it ends up putting out aroudn the same amount of heat... it just rebalances highers speeds @ same temp or so,
happens most of the time
Click to expand...

I don't know about that the 7900gt is just shruken 7800gtx and they increased the speed and put a smaller cooler on it.
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However, the difference from 90nm to 80nm probably won't achieve the same heat level drops that 130nm to 90nm could I think. This is purely speculation on my part though.
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Ya I can see your point. I just hope they do something about the heat.
 
R580 is a part of a b.s. selling strategy.

If they wanted they could have perfected the R600 by October. Instead they will relax till December.
 
Originally posted by: Pugnate
R580 is a part of a b.s. selling strategy.

If they wanted they could have perfected the R600 by October. Instead they will relax till December.
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They are going to "relax" it until Vista comes out R600 is a direct X-10 card. Why did you bring to life an old post for only this?
 
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