ATI gets pwned

[FireChicken]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/379/1/

Made me realize that I made the right choice with my xfx 7950

 

[josh6079]

Not so much

ATI's CrossFire gets a nice bump in performance with the X1950 and is a blazing fast system, but in our testing it is still not enough to lay claim to the fastest multi-gpu system. When it works it does work well but really needs to be more consistent. I suppose that the problem is that the X1950 single card is so damn good at stomping the competition that it makes CrossFire look less than stellar. SLI was designed into the PCI-Express GeForce cards from the start and it still shows despite massive improvements by ATI. As we pointed out in the world Multi-GPU article ATI has made great strides to make CrossFire better. We actually see better scaling and ease of use from the lower end CrossFire systems that don't need the dongle to operate, and is a clear indication of what the future holds for CrossFire.

It's multi-GPU isn't as good as Nvidia's, but by no means gets "pwned".

 

[MrWizzard]

Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

 

[APCOR]

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

Price gouging more like it. $500 for my 7800GTX and 9 months later they release a $350 card that outperforms it. Hope ATI vs NV gets bloodier.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Not so much

ATI's CrossFire gets a nice bump in performance with the X1950 and is a blazing fast system, but in our testing it is still not enough to lay claim to the fastest multi-gpu system. When it works it does work well but really needs to be more consistent. I suppose that the problem is that the X1950 single card is so damn good at stomping the competition that it makes CrossFire look less than stellar. SLI was designed into the PCI-Express GeForce cards from the start and it still shows despite massive improvements by ATI. As we pointed out in the world Multi-GPU article ATI has made great strides to make CrossFire better. We actually see better scaling and ease of use from the lower end CrossFire systems that don't need the dongle to operate, and is a clear indication of what the future holds for CrossFire.

It's multi-GPU isn't as good as Nvidia's, but by no means gets "pwned".

I'd rather spend $500 dollars on a 2-slot configuration than $700 on one that performs even similarly and takes up four slots.

Bravo, Nvidia. :thumbsup:

 

[n7]

SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

 

[Praxis1452]

aren't they pretty cpu limited?

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Then why does a one PCI-E x16 slot using card compete with two ATI cards? Thats a pretty valid reason to get a 7950GX2... And yes, a GX2 is two cards put together in a single-pci-e-slot solution.

 

[Ackmed]

Owned? Hardly.

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: josh6079
Not so much

ATI's CrossFire gets a nice bump in performance with the X1950 and is a blazing fast system, but in our testing it is still not enough to lay claim to the fastest multi-gpu system. When it works it does work well but really needs to be more consistent. I suppose that the problem is that the X1950 single card is so damn good at stomping the competition that it makes CrossFire look less than stellar. SLI was designed into the PCI-Express GeForce cards from the start and it still shows despite massive improvements by ATI. As we pointed out in the world Multi-GPU article ATI has made great strides to make CrossFire better. We actually see better scaling and ease of use from the lower end CrossFire systems that don't need the dongle to operate, and is a clear indication of what the future holds for CrossFire.

It's multi-GPU isn't as good as Nvidia's, but by no means gets "pwned".

I'd rather spend $500 dollars on a 2-slot configuration than $700 on one that performs even similarly and takes up four slots.

Bravo, Nvidia. :thumbsup:

You realize NV has one of those four slot solutions you're putting down in the review, right? The X19xx and 7900GTX solutions are faster than the GX2, when push comes to shove, such as in high res with AA/AF applied. It is too bad they dont show minimum frames... as they are very important. Only four games? Bleh.

There is no doubt about it, for $500-$600, its very hard to argue against the GX2 for the performance. Thats not to say it "owns" everything at the $500-$600 price range though.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Then why does a one PCI-E x16 slot using card compete with two ATI cards? Thats a pretty valid reason to get a 7950GX2... And yes, a GX2 is two cards put together in a single-pci-e-slot solution.

It only "competes" with crossfire x1900's at moderately high resolutions. Once you enable really high resolutions like 2560x1600, the 7950gx2 has horrible resolution scaling and most of the time loses to CF x1900's. Have a look yourself - Text

 

[Nightmare225]

My mistake. However, price-wise, it's very hard to argue against.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Then why does a one PCI-E x16 slot using card compete with two ATI cards? Thats a pretty valid reason to get a 7950GX2... And yes, a GX2 is two cards put together in a single-pci-e-slot solution.

It only "competes" with crossfire x1900's at moderately high resolutions. Once you enable really high resolutions like 2560x1600, the 7950gx2 has horrible resolution scaling and most of the time loses to CF x1900's. Have a look yourself - Text

Man, the 7950 GX2 even with Quad SLI gets punched in the face at 2560x1600. And that's the res I'm planning on running.

 

[FireChicken]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Then why does a one PCI-E x16 slot using card compete with two ATI cards? Thats a pretty valid reason to get a 7950GX2... And yes, a GX2 is two cards put together in a single-pci-e-slot solution.

It only "competes" with crossfire x1900's at moderately high resolutions. Once you enable really high resolutions like 2560x1600, the 7950gx2 has horrible resolution scaling and most of the time loses to CF x1900's. Have a look yourself - Text

This review seems kinda wierd to me. It says that there is no performance gain using quad sli at 2560X1600 ove a single 7950gx2. Doesnt sound right to me. I done believe this review very much. Aslo since i cant effing read what they are talking about.

 

[Ackmed]

So because its in German, its not good? Someone else here used to say that...

There are times when Quad-SLi just doesnt work right. Its still not working as well as two card SLI. Its better now that it was, and will continue to get better, but dont assumes its always going to work, and always work well. Its just not there yet.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

where does it get PWN'D.
it says right there the x1950 is the FASTEST SINGLE CARD.

 

[FireChicken]

your review says that the 7950 does 24 FPS in COD at 2560x1600 whne this review says other wise.

http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/video_cards/bfgtech/7950gx2/004.htm this one says 48.

which if you use the numbers form your review, a single 7950 beats a 1900xt and 1950 in CF

 

[Ackmed]

You cant compare reviews to each other. They always have different hardware, and dont always test a game the same way. Most use some custom demo, or use fraps. Also, different driver settings. Such is the case with computerbase.de, they run NV cards in HQ, and ops off.

 

[FireChicken]

This one also says the same

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?page=7120&head=0

 

[FireChicken]

Lets just say that both nvidia and ATI make great cards. Some times I like to stir the pot a little. The competition between the 2 companies is good for us....

 

[Munky]

The German site ran the tests not only with 4xAA, but also with AAA/TRAA enabled, so they're really stessing the cards more than most other sites.

*edit: They also use HQ driver settings.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
where does it get PWN'D.
it says right there the x1950 is the FASTEST SINGLE CARD.

...today

but that chenges so often. For example, my socks are clean today, but won't be tomorrow.

 

[CrystalBay]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So because its in German, its not good? Someone else here used to say that...

Lofl...

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
where does it get PWN'D.
it says right there the x1950 is the FASTEST SINGLE CARD.

...today

but that chenges so often. For example, my socks are clean today, but won't be tomorrow.

so ?
we always talk aobut he present on the video section.
eg. my x800gt coud be considered high end in 2004 but now its considered low end.

the OP made the annoying claim about ati bieng pwn'd ad its not bieng pwn'd at all

edit. and yes is know x800gt was not available in 2004. its just an example by speed.

 

[BFG10K]

Made me realize that I made the right choice with my xfx 7950

Um, did you see the non-Quake 4 benchmarks? Or did you stop at Quake 4? :roll:

Not to mention that nVidia loses about 10%-15% for HQ in Quake 4.