ATI gets pwned

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
lets benchmark more games

Becuase we all know Fear and COD 2

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-x1950xtx.html

GX2 FTW

So does this mean NV basically made the 7900GTX irrelevant?

I mean the X1950XTX is faster than the GTX and so it the GX2. So whats the point of that card again?

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
lets benchmark more games

Becuase we all know Fear and COD 2

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-x1950xtx.html

GX2 FTW

So does this mean NV basically made the 7900GTX irrelevant?

I mean the X1950XTX is faster than the GTX and so it the GX2. So whats the point of that card again?

It provides something between Nvidia's own 7900 GT and 7950GX2 in terms of performance.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
lets benchmark more games

Becuase we all know Fear and COD 2

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-x1950xtx.html

GX2 FTW

So does this mean NV basically made the 7900GTX irrelevant?

I mean the X1950XTX is faster than the GTX and so it the GX2. So whats the point of that card again?

Not exactly sure what you mean, and why you even said that. Why would it be irrelevant?

By your line of thinking, that also means the 7900gt, 7600 series and 7300 series are irrelevant.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: APCOR

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

Price gouging more like it. $500 for my 7800GTX and 9 months later they release a $350 card that outperforms it. Hope ATI vs NV gets bloodier.

Yup, same here, bought my BFG GTX for 550. Worst price/performance ratio in a long time

That is not Nvidia's problem when the only competition is the X850 XT PE.

Nvidia's competition for the 7800GTX was the X1800XT. It was a delayed competition, but so is this X1950XT vs. 7950GX2 crap.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: APCOR

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

Price gouging more like it. $500 for my 7800GTX and 9 months later they release a $350 card that outperforms it. Hope ATI vs NV gets bloodier.

Yup, same here, bought my BFG GTX for 550. Worst price/performance ratio in a long time

That is not Nvidia's problem when the only competition is the X850 XT PE.

Nvidia's competition for the 7800GTX was the X1800XT. It was a delayed competition, but so is this X1950XT vs. 7950GX2 crap.

Yeah but by the time the X1800 XT arrived the 7800 GTX had fallen in price dramatically. 550US was the price when the 7800 GTX came out when the only competition was the X850 XT PE. Hence having the worst price/performance ratio wasn't really an issue since they were the best.

ATI's proper response to the 7800 GTX 256 was the X1800 XT, which Nvidia responded to with the super expensive and low yiled 7800 GTX 512.

X1950 XTX is not designed as a competitor to the 7950 GX2, as they can't beat it, it's just designed to make ATI much more competitive in the 449US segment, against the 7900 GTX in that price range it wins easily.

 

[josh6079]

X1950 XTX is not designed as a competitor to the 7950 GX2, as they can't beat it...

It always depends on what someone wants. In terms of frames per second, the GX2 generally outperforms all of the competition. However, there are times when it isn't by much, and very few times that it completely wins. It is the only card for that price range however. Nvidia is keeping the worst price/performance crown while ATI is enjoying the mid-range market. It's strange, yet nice, how the market has turned so much.

Honestly, I think the all of the fps numbers crunched out by CF/SLI and even some true single cards are unnecessary. As long as it is playable, what do you need to be looking at the far corner of your screen for? If you look at what it costs for someone to play per frame, one frame can be around $5 to $20 to close the gap in some competition. Not to mention vsync is almost a "must have" for most current displays (LCD's).

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: josh6079

X1950 XTX is not designed as a competitor to the 7950 GX2, as they can't beat it...

It always depends on what someone wants. In terms of frames per second, the GX2 generally outperforms all of the competition. However, there are times when it isn't by much, and very few times that it completely wins. It is the only card for that price range however. Nvidia is keeping the worst price/performance crown while ATI is enjoying the mid-range market. It's strange, yet nice, how the market has turned so much.

Honestly, I think the all of the fps numbers crunched out by CF/SLI and even some true single cards are unnecessary. As long as it is playable, what do you need to be looking at the far corner of your screen for? If you look at what it costs for someone to play per frame, one frame can be around $5 to $20 to close the gap in some competition. Not to mention vsync is almost a "must have" for most current displays (LCD's).

The X1950 XTX addresses another price bracket, I just don't see it as a competitor to the 7950 GX2. The worst price/performance ratio is particular irrelevant as it is the fastest product, and flagships follow the rule of having the worst price/performance ever, expecting a good price/performance ratio at the top end just isn't realistic. They call it the bleeding edge for a reason.

By how much it defeats the X1950 XTX will obvious vary depending on the game used, however the important thing is that it is faster on average.

Yeah the mid end is now more favourable to ATI now, though Nvidia is trying to address that with the 7900 GS and 7950 GT that are due to arrive soon.

It varies, as to how many FPS is sufficient to the individual, optimally I would like a minimum higher then 60 FPS hence why, hence why even an average of 100 FPS, may not be enough. More FPS is still prefered. Price/Performance mentioned again, I say again, the fastest product just doesn't need to have the price/performance ratio as it is the best.

The Core 2 Extreme X6800 is 999US MSRP, the extra performance comes at quite a hefty premium, but it is simply the best so Intel can charge what it wants.

 

[Nightmare225]

Even if you run a 7950GX2 with HQ options, i can still bet that it would have the X1950XTX slightly beat. And, at $500 for one at newegg.com, they are becoming quite price-competitive. Add that to the fact that the X1950s aren't released yet, and you've got the best-performing graphics card currently out there, the 7950GX2.

 

[josh6079]

Even if you run a 7950GX2 with HQ options, i can still bet that it would have the X1950XTX slightly beat.

If it is just slightly beat, why try to spend $50 or more to close a gap that is so slight? Take a calculator and see how much money one would spend per frame going from an X1900XT~X1900XTX~X1950XTX~7950GX2. The only thing I see Nvidia having better than ATI, for me, is better TrAA and faster frames (and that is only with their dualGPU, SLI in a box card). The ability to do HDR+AA with any title that comes out is also a plus, angle independent AF, and software controlled voltages make an overclocker like me really enjoy an ATI product more for now. That said, the 7950GX2 has surprised me. I originally didn't see the point in it with 7900GT voltmoding being a craze a little while ago. And up until recently the 7950GX2 has still been too expensive for what you get. We'll see how the final stages of DX9 cards (I hope THESE cards are the last ones) turn out. Maybe the 7950GX2 will be closer to the X1950XTX's price by the time a lot of vendors have a good amount of X1950 stock.

 

[Sonikku]

Nividia has to resort to slapping multiple video cards into a motherboard just to get a small edge over ATI's single card, and that's supposed to be considered pwnage?

Whatever.