ATI gets pwned

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Made me realize that I made the right choice with my xfx 7950

Um, did you see the non-Quake 4 benchmarks? Or did you stop at Quake 4? :roll:

Not to mention that nVidia loses about 10%-15% for HQ in Quake 4.

they tested with HQ driver settings

 

[BFG10K]

I can't see that mentioned anywhere in the review.

 

[ronnn]

Think he means that they ran quake 4 at high quality settings, which I assumed they meant ingame - as driver settings were not shown. I liked how the writer said since nv can't support hdr and aa, we didn't use it with serious sam. Than suggests a draw of some sorts. This is getting hilarious, where the heck is the g80 so nv can quietly fix their default settings?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

There are times when Quad-SLi just doesnt work right. Its still not working as well as two card SLI. Its better now that it was, and will continue to get better, but dont assumes its always going to work, and always work well. Its just not there yet.

Yep, just like Crossfire.

 

[BFG10K]

Quake 4 benchmarks.

These benchmarks were done with HQ in the nVidia driver and you can see it takes Quad SLI to beat CF. A single 7950 GX2 isn't even in the picture most of the time.

 

[nitromullet]

A single 7950 GX2 isn't even in the picture most of the time.

You're also talking about a $500 card vs. $900 worth of X1950 CF, so the CF rig should be a bit faster... Granted Quad-SLI is over $1k, and doesn't really scale like it should yet so it's not a very good option period. The 7900GTX SLI and X1950 CF rig aren't too far apart though, except at 2560x1600 4xAA/16xAF, where the CF rig takes a crazy lead. In most games the X1950 CF has about the lead I would would expect over the 7900GTX SLI setup though given the single card performance of the 7900GTX and the X1900XTX. Looking a bit into the future, I think it will be interesting to see how the 7950GT pans out... Will it perform closer to a 7900GT or a 7900GTX? If it's the latter (and you can get them for the rumored MSRP), it just might be the $600 video card setup to get.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I can't see that mentioned anywhere in the review.

I can't see it mentioned anywhere in the review that they didnt use HQ settings. it says HQ above each graph.

 

[BFG10K]

You're also talking about a $500 card vs. $900 worth of X1950 CF, so the CF rig should be a bit faster...

True but my comment was aimed at the OP who seemed to imply the 7950 is somehow faster than a CF system.

I can't see it mentioned anywhere in the review that they didnt use HQ settings.

Not mentioning you didn't do something doesn't automatically imply you did it.

it says HQ above each graph.

Unless they explicitly state HQ was used in the nVidia driver control panel then HQ could mean anything.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: FireChicken

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/379/1/

Made me realize that I made the right choice with my xfx 7950

I think this topic should be deleted, it's nothing more than flamebait!

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
quote:
it says HQ above each graph.


Unless they explicitly state HQ was used in the nVidia driver control panel then HQ could mean anything.

Horsesh!t Quota in your case...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I can't see it mentioned anywhere in the review that they didnt use HQ settings.

Not mentioning you didn't do something doesn't automatically imply you did it.

Not mentioning you did do something doesn't automatically imply you didn't either.

Glass if half full? Or half empty, BFG?

 

[BFG10K]

Horsesh!t Quota in your case...

I look forward to the day you are banned. Your posts are beyond worthless.

Not mentioning you did do something doesn't automatically imply you didn't either.

That comment is just as ridiculous as the first.

The original claim implied they used HQ because they didn't state they didn't.

Using that same logic I must've seen a green dragon with yellow spots because I didn't state that I didn't.

Are you paying attention?

It's very simple logic, namely the original argument is totally non-sequitur and nonsensical.

 

[nitromullet]

nm

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: FireChicken
Lets just say that both nvidia and ATI make great cards. Some times I like to stir the pot a little. The competition between the 2 companies is good for us....

Against the rules here to troll for flames and than admit it! The general concensus is you never admit you were wrong. :beer:

These threads that always end up on a discussion of nvidia iq and driver settings are getting a little stale. Time for some new tech.

 

[nitromullet]

These threads that always end up on a discussion of nvidia iq and driver settings are getting a little stale. Time for some new tech.

I agree, but I do like the general concensus that benchmarks should be done with high IQ settings. Hopefully, this will drive more English sites to do the same.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: APCOR

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

Price gouging more like it. $500 for my 7800GTX and 9 months later they release a $350 card that outperforms it. Hope ATI vs NV gets bloodier.

Yup, same here, bought my BFG GTX for 550. Worst price/performance ratio in a long time

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
aren't they pretty cpu limited?

Not with conroe they arent!

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: APCOR

Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Even though I primarily get NVidia, I am glad ATI is there snapping at Nvidia. I think Nvidia might get evil if they were the only competitor.

Price gouging more like it. $500 for my 7800GTX and 9 months later they release a $350 card that outperforms it. Hope ATI vs NV gets bloodier.

Yup, same here, bought my BFG GTX for 550. Worst price/performance ratio in a long time

That is not Nvidia's problem when the only competition is the X850 XT PE.

 

[xtreme26]

Originally posted by: FireChicken
Lets just say that both nvidia and ATI make great cards. Some times I like to stir the pot a little. The competition between the 2 companies is good for us....

lol you're the one that brought on this arguement

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Good luck with that, Nvidia wins with Single Card Solutions, there is simply too much debate on whether or not the 7950GX2, is a "single card solution".

The X1950 XTX, is the best Single GPU solution though.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: x80064

Originally posted by: n7
SLI > CF.
For single card solutions though, i can't see many reasons to buy nVidia these days (in high end anyway).

I agree....ATI does win in single card config's. So please don't say that NV win's with the GX2. I wonder why they put the ( 2 ) after the GX ? Two cards slapped together maybe ?

Good luck with that, Nvidia wins with Single Card Solutions, there is simply too much debate on whether or not the 7950GX2, is a "single card solution".

The X1950 XTX, is the best Single GPU solution though.

QFT.

I was looking at firing squad benchs, and indeed the 7950GX2 is faster overall in both minimum fps, and average fps.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Good luck with that, Nvidia wins with Single Card Solutions, there is simply too much debate on whether or not the 7950GX2, is a "single card solution".

The X1950 XTX, is the best Single GPU solution though.

QFT.

I was looking at firing squad benchs, and indeed the 7950GX2 is faster overall in both minimum fps, and average fps.

Silly guys, nvidia would use hq at default if they actually beleived they could compete. Ati is the best solution at this time period. Nvidia does put up a good fight and people who bought there cards shouldn't feel ripped off or anything though. :thumbsup:

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Good luck with that, Nvidia wins with Single Card Solutions, there is simply too much debate on whether or not the 7950GX2, is a "single card solution".

The X1950 XTX, is the best Single GPU solution though.

QFT.

I was looking at firing squad benchs, and indeed the 7950GX2 is faster overall in both minimum fps, and average fps.

Silly guys, nvidia would use hq at default if they actually beleived they could compete. Ati is the best solution at this time period. Nvidia does put up a good fight and people who bought there cards shouldn't feel ripped off or anything though. :thumbsup:

Your opinion, as image quality comparisons are subjective issue. Nvidia and ATI both use optimization on default so it's fair. Nvidia just gains more from optimizations then ATI does, or you can say ATI loses less when they run unoptimized. Nvidia is going to run where they have the advantage, any corporation will do that, expecting Nvidia to walk blindly into a minefield is silly, it is up to ATI to try to promote themselves as having better image quality, if they can.

 

[tuteja1986]

lets benchmark more games

Becuase we all know Fear and COD 2

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
lets benchmark more games

Becuase we all know Fear and COD 2

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-x1950xtx.html

GX2 FTW