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ATI drivers suck...(actually they don't, and haven't for a long time)
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DeathReborn
Platinum Member
Or just use the ones upplied then get the latest once the PC is ready to go. I personally just do the following:
Remove older or other manufacturer drivers. Install Card. Install latest drivers (for me it was 81.84 Beta this time). Play games in their beautiful glory.
It's the same process with ATI so keep that Bias'd crap to yourself.
Edit: I have not encountered shimmering on my 7800GT to date OR Artifacts.
I don't really ever install the drivers on the CD that ship with the card, simply because they are usually out of date.
I admit, I have an ATI bias, but the reason is because of all the bad experiences I've had with Nvidia driver problems. The last Nvidia card I loved was my TI4200, great card in its day. I wish the 1800XL was a better performer, but since its not, my next card is probably gonna end up being the 7800GT or GTX.
ATI drivers are good, no problem when I used them with my X800 Pro, or my 9700 Pro, and very quick fixes surprisingly came through when I had my 8500 64MB. I actually like the layout of the CCC better than Nvidia drivers.
But I do also like somethings that Nvidia has that ATI doesn't have. I like that they have a lot of settings to tweak. I like that they have triple buffering for both APIs. I like that they have a monitor calibration wizard built into it. That's just amazing that someone finally thought of something like that. Took em long enough.
In ATI drivers, I like that the refresh rate override is already in the drivers, not like Nvidia with it's coolbits addon. And I kinda like that 3d model, but I also don't like it because it's too general. For instance, aliasing doesn't look that bad in the 3d model, but on BF2, it would look horrible. The thing that I like most about ATI is a new driver every month. Which ensures quick fixes. And it isn't a beta. Sometimes you I just had problems with a game and the newest Nvidia driver couldn't come quicker. Say this filtering problem with the 7800, took a while to release an update that wasn't beta.
Overall, they both have their pluses and their minuses. It's hard to pick one or the other.
But I do also like somethings that Nvidia has that ATI doesn't have. I like that they have a lot of settings to tweak. I like that they have triple buffering for both APIs. I like that they have a monitor calibration wizard built into it. That's just amazing that someone finally thought of something like that. Took em long enough.
In ATI drivers, I like that the refresh rate override is already in the drivers, not like Nvidia with it's coolbits addon. And I kinda like that 3d model, but I also don't like it because it's too general. For instance, aliasing doesn't look that bad in the 3d model, but on BF2, it would look horrible. The thing that I like most about ATI is a new driver every month. Which ensures quick fixes. And it isn't a beta. Sometimes you I just had problems with a game and the newest Nvidia driver couldn't come quicker. Say this filtering problem with the 7800, took a while to release an update that wasn't beta.
Overall, they both have their pluses and their minuses. It's hard to pick one or the other.
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
I have nasty shimmering with my 7800GT, but that is a different story.
When I had my 9500Pro, I was using something like cat 4.5's, and I the game would crash to the desktop. Running cat3.9 or so ran the problem. Just a sec, I'll try installing it and tell if it works or not with the 5.10's 🙂
I second (or third) that ATI has much better multi monitor support.
Nat
*edit - crash confirmed on 8500 and this was the same error I got back in the day. Rolling back to a very early cat driver fixes the issue. Link
Pretty ironic message, eh?
When I had my 9500Pro, I was using something like cat 4.5's, and I the game would crash to the desktop. Running cat3.9 or so ran the problem. Just a sec, I'll try installing it and tell if it works or not with the 5.10's 🙂
I second (or third) that ATI has much better multi monitor support.
Nat
*edit - crash confirmed on 8500 and this was the same error I got back in the day. Rolling back to a very early cat driver fixes the issue. Link
Pretty ironic message, eh?
DeathReborn
Platinum Member
The majority of punters will use the ones on the CD and some may never update them. If you don't have access to the internet (do such people even exist anymore?) then you'd find it hard to get the latest drivers.
I probably have a nVidia bias myself but I stuck with my 9600 (even played BF2 with it) through it's problems (used CCC once and found it sluggish so never installe dit again) and didn't upgrade the card until I saw X1800XL benchmarks. When I saw them I ordered the 7800GT and already had the 81.84 Beta drivers downloaded (no format, just efficient driver removal) and so far every game has worked without a hitch (the 9600 showed a little corruption in Discworld, Diablo & FF7).
The Ti 4200 128MB I used to have (Gainward Golden Sample) was great and is still running now (in my old mans machine) with the drivers it shipped with (he is reasonably new to PC's).
ArchAngel777
Diamond Member
You must be talking Hard Drive space... Not memory. Though many people still get that confused. Complaining about Hard Drive space with todays drives is silly.
toyota
Lifer
NO i am talking about memory. i have installed about 10 Ati cards. when using the CCC 85 to 90mb of memory is used as opposed to not using it. all you have to do is look at the task manager. dont tell me this is not true as my own pc uses 185mb without it and 275mb with the CCC. after i show people this they usually elect to go with the standard control people.
ArchAngel777
Diamond Member
Well, I am skeptical to be honest. I guess I never bothered to look, but I really doubt the CCC Control Panel takes up 90 MB of memory. Could be wrong, who knows.
ArchAngel777
Diamond Member
No, actually it would take longer. Because my rig at work is currently using an Intel GPU.
ArchAngel777
Diamond Member
No, actually it would take longer. Because my rig at work is currently using an Intel GPU.[/quote]
what does Intel have to do with clicking on the task manager?
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I am not sure if you are joking or are have a learning dissability. Seriously, you yanking my chain? How would looking at task manager to see how much memory the CCC Control Panel takes up on my machine do anything when I don't even have it on this system? Intel GPU's wouldn't use the CCC Control Panel.
toyota
Lifer
what does Intel have to do with clicking on the task manager?
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I am not sure if you are joking or are have a learning dissability. Seriously, you yanking my chain? How would looking at task manager to see how much memory the CCC Control Panel takes up on my machine do anything when I don't even have it on this system? Intel GPU's wouldn't use the CCC Control Panel.[/quote]
why does intel not use the CCC from ATI? you can look at at the task manager before and after you install. for instance if dont have the CCC installed i am at 185mb or so while on the desktop and with the CCC installed i am around 280mb. that means the CCC uses almost 100mb of memory to run. why do you not understand???
Dug's bias aside...I have to agree with him Nvidia fanboys cannot use the ATi driver issues of the past against them anymore...They are very sound and have been for quite awhile.....
I think Nvidia does better with driver updates and their timliness of them, but ATi has come through eventually and in some issues more so....
I think Nvidia does better with driver updates and their timliness of them, but ATi has come through eventually and in some issues more so....
natto fire
Diamond Member
Second solution: Download Omega Driver. No CCC + Radlink 😀,
I just wish ATI would acknowledge that OpenGL performance/Linux support is important..
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