ATi cards are ahead significantly in Halflife 2 over Nvidia cards

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dug777
Ultra Extreme is vapourware- only 200 made i think, and now nvidia claim they were never made at all 😛

quote from Toms

'Nvidia's GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme, which was announced by the company one day after ATI's X800 XT PE, never became available on the market; we only saw the card up for auction briefly on one website in August. A spokesperson from Nvidia claimed later that the card never officially existed, and that the name "Ultra Extreme" had been a fabrication of the media.'

So there u go 🙂

Tom's on crack if he said that. The "Ultra Extreme" spec might not be one of nVidia's four official 6800 specs (LE/NU/GT/U) but eVGA sold them for a while so it's not a "fabrication of the media". People have purchased them from manufacturers and retail vendors.

A lot of nVidia partners sell products clocked out of spec with nVidia, IMO they are free to call them whatever they like.

If someone's position is the UEs are simply higher clocked Us like the BFG U OCs, that is fine and the question could be raised, "Why was the review done with the lowest clocked Us, not the highest clocked Us?"

 

[PremiumG]

benchmarks on show that Nvidia and ATI are about equal for Half Life 2??

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: dug777
Ultra Extreme is vapourware- only 200 made i think, and now nvidia claim they were never made at all 😛

quote from Toms

'Nvidia's GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme, which was announced by the company one day after ATI's X800 XT PE, never became available on the market; we only saw the card up for auction briefly on one website in August. A spokesperson from Nvidia claimed later that the card never officially existed, and that the name "Ultra Extreme" had been a fabrication of the media.'

So there u go 🙂

Tom's on crack if he said that. The "Ultra Extreme" spec might not be one of nVidia's four official 6800 specs (LE/NU/GT/U) but eVGA sold them for a while so it's not a "fabrication of the media". People have purchased them from manufacturers and retail vendors.

A lot of nVidia partners sell products clocked out of spec with nVidia, IMO they are free to call them whatever they like.

If someone's position is the UEs are simply higher clocked Us like the BFG U OCs, that is fine and the question could be raised, "Why was the review done with the lowest clocked Us, not the highest clocked Us?"

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

 

[Genx87]

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

That is funny because ATI's official PE is on the same plain of availability as the UE.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Genx87

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

That is funny because ATI's official PE is on the same plain of availability as the UE.

FUD :roll: .

 

[Blastman]

DH ran custom benches. They wouldn?t post ATI benches. Some NV fans really need to get a grip. 😀

Hardocp didn?t run at the highest settings, so things even out much more because they were much more CPU limited --they used the default reflect=world, the highest setting is reflect=all.

Both the FiringSquad and Xbit preliminary benches look about the same as the DH benches, ATI has a substantial lead on some levels. So what the benches show can vary a lot depending on what levels one benches and what settings are used.

 

[monzie]

Who gives a flying fukc?

STOP THIS FUKCING DRIVEL NOW!!

YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.

GET A LIFE

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: monzie
Who gives a flying fukc?

STOP THIS FUKCING DRIVEL NOW!!

YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.

GET A LIFE

You're in an interesting forum if you don't want to see people argue about video cards, or should I just say,"Sieg Heil!"?

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: monzie
Who gives a flying fukc?

STOP THIS FUKCING DRIVEL NOW!!

YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.

GET A LIFE

You're in an interesting forum if you don't want to see people argue about video cards, or should I just say,"Sieg Heil!"?

Stop with the nazi bullshit. We don't need a flamefest. This has been pointed out over and over again in forum issues; you can make your (correct) point without resorting to insults and attacks.

 

[nitromullet]

Now that the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe appears to have been paper launched...

http://usa.asus.com/products/m.../a8nsli-d/overview.htm

...I'd like to see some SLI benchmarks of HL2.

As much as I really don't take DriverHeaven seriously with regards to video card comparisons, since they always seem to have an ATi slant, I have been playing HL2 for a few days now with a 6800GT, and it does run smooth for the most part. However, there is some choppiness at times, especially on the boat level when moving quickly over the water. If Doom3 is to nVidia as HL2 is to ATi, I could see how ATi cards might give the user a slightly better overall experience. Doom3 was completely smooth (smoother than HL2), except for minor hiccups when going through steam. As I said though, for the most part HL2 runs very nicely on the 6800GT, but it is times like these that you realize that ave FPS mean nothing, it is the occasional minimum that gets you.

Originally posted by: monzie
Who gives a flying fukc?

STOP THIS FUKCING DRIVEL NOW!!

YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.

GET A LIFE

It is a video card forum two days after one of the most anticipated PC games launched... What did you expect the discussion to be about?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Genx87

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

That is funny because ATI's official PE is on the same plain of availability as the UE.

FUD :roll: .

http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=17

Not in stock

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...&_requestid=209504

Doesnt even list the platinum edition. Hell even the XT is out of stock.

More fuel for the fire

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...it=property&DEPA=0

None in stock.

Nearly 6 months after release and the cards are still not in good supply.
That is not fud.

 

[karlreading]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: karlreading


the same cannot be said of the x800-
PRO. this card is good in hl2, but suffers very badly in doom 3 compared to its nvidia counterpart. whilst the proice range is the same, it is safe to say that a 400$ NV part will play both doom 3 and hl2 pretty much fllawless ly yet x800-pro will get skitty at 16x12 in doom 3 whilst a GT will not.

I dont have much to base this on othe rthan personal feelings, but i wonder if there are others, who, like me, feel x800 pro is sat in a bad market position, priced to high for the perfoirmance it delivers compared to its bigger brother, and its nvidia stablemate.
karlos

Alas, only a handful of people are still playing Doom3. I actually liked the game - thought it was a fun brainless shooter, but I won't be playing it again. Since I've beaten it, it has become way too boring, repetitive and formulaic (door opens, scare moment, shoot guy with biggest gun you have. Rinse, repeat).

HL2, on the other hand, will be played and replayed by many for months...

I don't think the X800 Pro is in a bad position at all, considering it generally retails for about $50 less than the GT. I think it's a card that is slightly inferior to the 6800GT and in a class above the 6800nu.

no your right, it is above the 6800NU. However, going on my own personal experiance, x800 pron is around the same price, in fact, MORE expensive than the GT in my country ( UK ).

NoT good IMHO.

as for the doom 3 jibe, yes, doom 3 isnt in the same league as HL2, doom 3's performance is far more important then sources performance, beacuse as we have seen from quake 3's engine, there will be many extrmely important games licensing ID's engine, more so then will be licensing source ( and thats not me saying that source isnt as good a engine then doom 3, TBQH i feel source looks more photo realistic than doom 3 enigine, based upon comparing the two games so far ).
so looking to the future, doom 3 performance is much much more importnant than the good gentelman is making out.

karlos

karlos

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: karlreading
as for the doom 3 jibe, yes, doom 3 isnt in the same league as HL2, doom 3's performance is far more important then sources performance, beacuse as we have seen from quake 3's engine, there will be many extrmely important games licensing ID's engine, more so then will be licensing source ( and thats not me saying that source isnt as good a engine then doom 3, TBQH i feel source looks more photo realistic than doom 3 enigine, based upon comparing the two games so far ).
so looking to the future, doom 3 performance is much much more importnant than the good gentelman is making out.

i doubt it. on the same day that Half-Life 2 came out, we ALSO got the first 3rd-party licensed game using the SOURCE engine - Vampire: Bloodlines, which is getting excellent ratings and has nothing to do with Vivendi or Valve (other than the fact they licensed the Source engine).

On the other hand, I am not aware of any game devs/publishers who have announced an intention to license the Doom3 engine for anything.

from the 10-15 hours i played D3, my impression of it is that it's LESS flexible than the Source engine, and is mainly better for dark/moody atmospheric games which concentrate on indoor environments. such as a creepy horror-themed game, or an action-RPG which takes place in an underground dungeon.

But Source seems to be MUCH more flexible, capable of handling the same genres as both Doom3 and Far Cry... and more....


Just because Quake3 engine was widely adopted, that means Doom3 engine will be? Come on, that's pretty flimsy logic.

 

[karlreading]

Originally posted by: LocutusX

Originally posted by: karlreading
as for the doom 3 jibe, yes, doom 3 isnt in the same league as HL2, doom 3's performance is far more important then sources performance, beacuse as we have seen from quake 3's engine, there will be many extrmely important games licensing ID's engine, more so then will be licensing source ( and thats not me saying that source isnt as good a engine then doom 3, TBQH i feel source looks more photo realistic than doom 3 enigine, based upon comparing the two games so far ).
so looking to the future, doom 3 performance is much much more importnant than the good gentelman is making out.

i doubt it. on the same day that Half-Life 2 came out, we ALSO got the first 3rd-party licensed game using the SOURCE engine - Vampire: Bloodlines, which is getting excellent ratings and has nothing to do with Vivendi or Valve (other than the fact they licensed the Source engine).

On the other hand, I am not aware of any game devs/publishers who have announced an intention to license the Doom3 engine for anything.

from the 10-15 hours i played D3, my impression of it is that it's LESS flexible than the Source engine, and is mainly better for dark/moody atmospheric games which concentrate on indoor environments. such as a creepy horror-themed game, or an action-RPG which takes place in an underground dungeon.

But Source seems to be MUCH more flexible, capable of handling the same genres as both Doom3 and Far Cry... and more....


Just because Quake3 engine was widely adopted, that means Doom3 engine will be? Come on, that's pretty flimsy logic.

hmm lets see, so quake 2 tech was used for loads of games, quake 3 was used for loads of games as well:

infact, heres a list :

Key:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q1 = Quake I
Q2 = Quake II
Q3 = Quake III
D3 = DOOM III
HL = Half-Life (Quake I and II)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

id Software
Quake I (Q1)
Quake II (Q2)
Quake III Arena (Q3)
Quake III: Team Arena (Q3)
DOOM III (D3)

Valve Software
Half-Life (HL)

Xatrix
Quake II: The Reckoning (Q2)
Kingpin: Life of Crime (Q2)

Raven Software
Hexen II (Q1)
Hexen II: Portal of Praevus (Q1)
Heretic II (Q2)
Soldier of Fortune (Q2)
Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force (Q3)
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (Q3)
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix (Q3)
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (Q3)
Quake IV (D3)

Ritual Entertainment
Quake: Scourge of Armagon (Q1)
SiN (Q2)
Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K. 2 (Q3)
Star Trek Elite Force II (Q3)

Gray Matter
Return to Castle Wolfenstein (Q3)
Call of Duty: United Offensive (Q3)

2015
Wages of SiN (Q2)
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (Q3)

Ion Storm
Daikatana (Q2)
Anachronox (Q2)

Rogue Entertainment
Quake: Dissolution of Eternity (Q1)
Quake II: Ground Zero (Q2)
American McGee's Alice (Q3)

Gearbox Software
Half-Life: Opposing Force (HL)
Half-Life: Blue Shift (HL)
Half-Life: Counter-Strike (HL)
James Bond 007: NightFire (HL)
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero (HL)

EALA
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Spearhead (Q3)
Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault (Q3)

Extreme FX
Apocalyptica (Q3)

TKO Software
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Breakthrough (Q3)

Human Head Studios
Unannounced Title (D3)

Splash Damage
Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (Q3)
Unannounced Title (D3)

BroadCraft Studios
Unannounced Title (Q3)

Infinity Ward
Call of Duty (Q3)

Unannounced Studio
Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2 (D3)

i dont think its flimsy logic, i think its perfectly good logic. the games industry's big FPS players know that ID tech is good for third party developers to work with, im sure we will see many more games based on d3 tech soon enough.

im quiet looking forward to quake 4 myself 😀

many thanks to the poster chairmansteve from pcvsconsole.com whos thread i lifted this list from its proved very handy 😉
karlos

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Genx87

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

That is funny because ATI's official PE is on the same plain of availability as the UE.

FUD :roll: .

http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=17

Not in stock

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...&_requestid=209504

Doesnt even list the platinum edition. Hell even the XT is out of stock.

More fuel for the fire

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...it=property&DEPA=0

None in stock.

Nearly 6 months after release and the cards are still not in good supply.
That is not fud.

The FUD part is because the XT/PE has been purchased in a B&M store. Where as the UE's have not, thus they are not the same.

 

[CaiNaM]

my GT plays HL@ just fine, just as my x800pro played doom3 just fine. i will say however that the GT has a much more noticeable advantage in D3 than the the ati has in HL2. still, either game is more than playable with either cards.

as for the game, HL2 is much more interesting the D3, and frankly much better looking as well. am a bit disappointed in the "story", but still a great game nonetheless.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: monzie
Who gives a flying fukc?

STOP THIS FUKCING DRIVEL NOW!!

YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC.

GET A LIFE

You're in an interesting forum if you don't want to see people argue about video cards, or should I just say,"Sieg Heil!"?

Stop with the nazi bullshit. We don't need a flamefest. This has been pointed out over and over again in forum issues; you can make your (correct) point without resorting to insults and attacks.

It's a metaphor for a totalitarian dictatorship remagavon.

While you can respond to what amounts to "I command you to act the way I wish! You are all losers with no lives who are beneath me!" with "Thank you sir, may I have another?" my own response to such insults will not be so courteously worded.

The metaphor fits, I stand by it. Good day.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Genx87

They raffled chances to win the oppurtunity to buy the UE, they didn't have them for sale outright. I entered and was not able to purchase one.

That is funny because ATI's official PE is on the same plain of availability as the UE.

FUD :roll: .

http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=17

Not in stock

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...&_requestid=209504

Doesnt even list the platinum edition. Hell even the XT is out of stock.

More fuel for the fire

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...it=property&DEPA=0

None in stock.

Nearly 6 months after release and the cards are still not in good supply.
That is not fud.

The FUD part is because the XT/PE has been purchased in a B&M store. Where as the UE's have not, thus they are not the same.

The FUD of this is that it implies you can actually purchase X800XTPEs somewhere.

Go to Pricewatch. LOTS of stores with 6800U in stock, no X800XT PEs to be found.

There were actually two brands of UEs if I remember right. Can you say there has never been one purchased in a store? If you're saying "Only 50 UEs have been sold in stores but 500 PEs have been" you're splitting hairs.

The fact of the matter is the PE is a myth for most people.

 

[Genx87]

The FUD part is because the XT/PE has been purchased in a B&M store. Where as the UE's have not, thus they are not the same.

Same availability which appears to be "not in stock".

The difference being one is an official card while the other is an option for a couple of OEMs.

That is the funny part.

 

[Insomniak]

According to Slashdot:

http://games.slashdot.org/arti...7/2211222&from=rss


The benchmarks most sites are using are ATi's FUD benchmarks. AnandTech (BEST 4 LYFE!) and HardOCP are the only sites that did their own independant demos, and their marks show Nvidia cards holding their own against, and many times outpacing, ATi's chips.

Looks like ATi has a sour taste in their mouth that they got taken to school in Doom 3 and Half-Life turned out even. Nvidia's making quite the comeback this year 😉

In all fairness however, one must point out that both games run very well on both cards. No matter who's engine is under your hood, rest assured that you will be able to run the games with no difficulty, and little if any sacrifice of detail.

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: karlreading
i dont think its flimsy logic, i think its perfectly good logic. the games industry's big FPS players know that ID tech is good for third party developers to work with, im sure we will see many more games based on d3 tech soon enough.

im quiet looking forward to quake 4 myself 😀

many thanks to the poster chairmansteve from pcvsconsole.com whos thread i lifted this list from its proved very handy 😉
karlos

Yes, I am quite aware of how many games used Q2 and Q3 tech. But they were much more flexible engines. Outdoor scenes, for example, look like crap in Doom3. I have a feeling Source will become the dominant player as far as 3D engines go, in the next couple of months/years.

In all fairness however, one must point out that both games run very well on both cards. No matter who's engine is under your hood, rest assured that you will be able to run the games with no difficulty, and little if any sacrifice of detail.

Assuming you're using "current-gen" parts -- then yes, definitely.

Those of us using "previous-gen" parts will be putting details/rez/renderpath down quite a bit unless we're using the 9800 Pro.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: LocutusX
Assuming you're using "current-gen" parts -- then yes, definitely.

Those of us using "previous-gen" parts will be putting details/rez/renderpath down quite a bit unless we're using the 9800 Pro.

This is quite true. The NV3x cores are basically DX8 material, but I was discussing current gen parts.

To be honest, I haven't run into anything I can't run at decent detail on my GeForce 4 Ti 4400 yet.



EDIT: Holy crap I just noticed I've got 1300+ posts here. Doesn't feel like I've been here that long...

 

[nRollo]

Yes, I am quite aware of how many games used Q2 and Q3 tech. But they were much more flexible engines. Outdoor scenes, for example, look like crap in Doom3. I have a feeling Source will become the dominant player as far as 3D engines go, in the next couple of months/years.

While it's interesting "you have a feeling" LocutusX, I don't think that really means anything at all unless you own the controlling interest in most FPS developing firms?

If you don't think Carmack's latest engine will be licensed a lot for FPS games, I have some old PC parts I want to sell you for really "great" prices.

 

[LocutusX]

While it's interesting "you have a feeling" LocutusX, I don't think that really means anything at all unless you own the controlling interest in most FPS developing firms?

It means that I have a feeling, which is exactly what I wrote. reading comp!

If you don't think Carmack's latest engine will be licensed a lot for FPS games

Not as much as Source... if you can prove me wrong I'd like to hear it 😉

I have some old PC parts I want to sell you for really "great" prices.

That's quite alright... I have quite a large collection of old PC parts. You can keep your stuff. 😛

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: LocutusX


Not as much as Source... if you can prove me wrong I'd like to hear it 😉

In order to prove you wrong, you would have first have to have given evidence that you were correct.

I see none.

Historically, Id Software's engines have done VERY well. Look at the myriad of projects done on the Quake 3 platform for example.

I have no doubt both Source and Doom 3 will be heavily licensed (and let's not forget the other leviathan player in the field, Epic's Unreal Tech), but as to which one will be licensed more? Who knows.