ATI+AMD confirmed

[Gstanfor]

I must say I do love the two faced stance the fanatics have on fanboi's though - their owqn actions are considered OK while nvidia fanboi's such as Rollo are considered hell spawn...

And Appopin, if you add together all of nvidia's corporate sins, they don't even come close to the ****** Ati has pulled since 2002...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I must say I do love the two faced stance the fanatics have on fanboi's though - their owqn actions are considered OK while nvidia fanboi's such as Rollo are considered hell spawn...

again . . . that's exactly how i feel about you

 

[Gstanfor]

There is nothing two faced about me Apoppin - I spell out my opinions clearly, bluntly and honestly. Always have and always will.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: apoppin
and both company's marketing suck . . . nvidia of course brought us Viral Marketing . . . and Rollo
:thumbsdown:

At least as a quad sli user he has something interesting to post about? What are you going to post- an expose on how the parts of yesteryear run Oblivion at 6X4?

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: apoppin
and both company's marketing suck . . . nvidia of course brought us Viral Marketing . . . and Rollo
:thumbsdown:

At least as a quad sli user he has something interesting to post about? What are you going to post- an expose on how the parts of yesteryear run Oblivion at 6X4?

Why not STFU instead of trying to turn this into some flamefest???

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
There is nothing two faced about me Apoppin - I spell out my opinions clearly, bluntly and honestly. Always have and always will.

nonsense . . . you do have a "two faced stance . . . on fanboi's though - [your] own actions are considered OK while ATi fanboi's such as Joker are considered hell spawn..."

you are a nVidia true believer a "fanatic fanboi" that can't imagine that there could be anything wrong with his beloved company . . . and one that completely despises nVidia's competition . . .

that's all . . . no offense meant

just stating it as i see it

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
There is nothing two faced about me Apoppin - I spell out my opinions clearly, bluntly and honestly. Always have and always will.

nonsense . . . you do have a "two faced stance . . . on fanboi's though - [your] own actions are considered OK while ATi fanboi's such as Joker are considered hell spawn..."

you are a nVidia true believer a "fanatic fanboi" that can't imagine that there could be anything wrong with his beloved company . . . and one that completely despises nVidia's competition . . .

that's all . . . no offense meant

just stating it as i see it

don't feed the caged animals, they are on display to view, not interact with

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: apoppin
and both company's marketing suck . . . nvidia of course brought us Viral Marketing . . . and Rollo
:thumbsdown:

At least as a quad sli user he has something interesting to post about? What are you going to post- an expose on how the parts of yesteryear run Oblivion at 6X4?

Why not STFU instead of trying to turn this into some flamefest???

QFT. We're not talking about the better fanboys, quad-SLI, or the fact that since Rollo left you feel like the sun will never rise again....

It's about two good companies merging into one and the effect this will have with us consumers (unless there are some opitmistic investors here as well?).

Gstanfor, to me, you're not two faced. You have always blantantly liked Nvidia, no matter what. Even now saying that ATI has more "corporate sins" than Nvidia when Nvidia created AEG and stamped "SLI Compatible" on everthing that has a solder point (last I saw they were even labeling RAM." This is of course without looking at the fact that Nvidia tries to get developmental relations with just about every game that emerges and their denial of the 3DMark distortions. Like hell they can't compare. They surpass ATI by a mile when it comes to "corporate sins".

I must say I do love the two faced stance the fanatics have on fanboi's though - their owqn actions are considered OK while nvidia fanboi's such as Rollo are considered hell spawn...

How are any of the posts in here by the supposed fanATIc's two faced? Wreckage and Joker are in an agreement for the first time I've ever seen, and you think it's because people who are happy with an ATI product but have owned several if not more Nvidia ones are two faced? Maybe I'm just confused with what you're saying so please provide an example within this thread that supports your claim.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: skooma
So, some of you are in favor of this merger.....

Break it down and tell us why.

I won't say I'm in favor of it but I don't think it as bad as everyone is making it out. First of all I disagree that nVidia will be shut out of the AMD motherboard market, nVidia AM2 motherboards are already on the market and AMD can't stop that so nVidia is same until the next CPU which AMD has said will be backwards compatible so nVidia will be safe for at least a while. Also look at Intel they make their own motherboards but they don't shut their competitors out of the market, if AMD tried nVidia would be all over them with a lawsuit for monopolistic practices. This merger also greatly helps AMD, they just suffered a huge hit with Conroe and wont have a chance to recover until K8L and possibly not even then. Intel can suffer a blow like A64 and be fine but AMD is a smaller company and could be hurt by Conroe. What the ATI merger does is give AMD a revenue stream while they are losing on CPUs. Because of this I don't see ATI leaving the discrete GPU market anytime soon, which is a major concern of some people. The biggest advantage I see from this is the technological potential, with the merger AMD can push ahead on Torrenza without having to strike a deal with the GPU companies which could accelerate Torrenza. Also if ATI stays in the discrete GPU market (like I believe they will) ATI has access to fabs which could help them make a swift and easy transition to smaller dies which helps us with lower power draw and heat (theoretically). Basically I see this as an opportunity to speed advancement which is good for us and I don't see the doom and gloom scenarios of others as very plausible.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Gstanfor, to me, you're not two faced. You have always blantantly liked Nvidia, no matter what. Even now saying that ATI has more "corporate sins" than Nvidia when Nvidia created AEG and stamped "SLI Compatible" on everthing that has a solder point (last I saw they were even labeling RAM." This is of course without looking at the fact that Nvidia tries to get developmental relations with just about every game that emerges and their denial of the 3DMark distortions. Like hell they can't compare. They surpass ATI by a mile when it comes to "corporate sins".

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Yes I use, and resell that card in its Expertvision form.

He was talking about the Gainward 7900GT.

There's your answer. I'd be an NVidia fanboy too if I sold their cards.

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Also if ATI stays in the discrete GPU market (like I believe they will) ATI has access to fabs which could help them make a swift and easy transition to smaller dies which helps us with lower power draw and heat (theoretically).

AMD has it's own problems with lack of fab capacity don't they?? I doubt they would have the resources to let ATI use their fabs.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
There is nothing two faced about me Apoppin - I spell out my opinions clearly, bluntly and honestly. Always have and always will.

nonsense . . . you do have a "two faced stance . . . on fanboi's though - [your] own actions are considered OK while ATi fanboi's such as Joker are considered hell spawn..."

you are a nVidia true believer a "fanatic fanboi" that can't imagine that there could be anything wrong with his beloved company . . . and one that completely despises nVidia's competition . . .

that's all . . . no offense meant

just stating it as i see it

don't feed the caged animals, they are on display to view, not interact with

Josh, you seem to spend most of your time on the anandtech forums in a state of confusion... That's hardly my problem...

There is no "nvidia branded memory" out there. You can buy memory with an spd module that conforms to nvidia specifiactions for some of their motherboards. This isn't the same thing as branding (or the same as claiming on tv that the 9700 series/R300 is capable of using DDR-II "just like the comptetion" and then never delivering on that claim (because they couldn't!))

 

[Sonikku]

I must concede that up until now I have generally had utmost faith in AMD and ATI's products, but this kind of merger is only going to reduce options for us consumers. This is a direction PC gaming does not need.

 

[Powermoloch]

less competition = bad . We need variety people !

 

[fishmonger12]

here's whats going to happen:

-Nvidia and Intel merge to compete with the ATI/AMD doublethreat, and will start producing integrated computers: motherboard, chipset, ram, cpu, gpu, power supply, all on one die. Will only require a 120VAC/12V DC adapter.

-AMD and ATI are going to move away from the processor industry into tennis balls, where they will be in direct competition with pringles, who had a bunch of spare potato chip tubes and closeout African rubber on their hands and nothing to do with it.

-Matrox is going to take control of the video market, with a new line of cards pushed by tv ads featuring busty young women. The cards will be neon, have flashing lights, and require their own separate power supply.

-The fanboy fairy is going to come here and take each of you to your respective fanboy heaven.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
There is no "nvidia branded memory" out there. You can buy memory with an spd module that conforms to nvidia specifiactions for some of their motherboards. This isn't the same thing as branding (or the same as claiming on tv that the 9700 series/R300 is capable of using DDR-II "just like the comptetion" and then never delivering on that claim (because they couldn't!))

LOL. I'm still waiting for you to "deliver" how Nvidia cards can do HDR + AA in Far Cry.

Josh, you seem to spend most of your time on the anandtech forums in a state of confusion... That's hardly my problem...

You're right. People who hold a grudge on a company that didn't do anything to them do confuse me.....

 

[apoppin]

AP - Reports: AMD to Buy Graphics Maker ATI [Yahoo Biz

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc., said it will make a "significant" announcement Monday, amid news reports that Intel Corp.'s biggest rival for PC microprocessors plans to pay more than $5 billion to acquire a top graphics chip maker.


AMD and ATI Technologies Inc. on Sunday were wrapping up talks to close the deal, which called for Sunnyvale-based AMD company to pay $5.4 billion, mostly in cash, the Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site.

An AMD-ATI marriage could shift the balance of power in the chip industry in significant ways. AMD's product portfolio -- which has remained limited to the microprocessors that act as a PC's main calculating engine -- would balloon overnight, as it folds in two major new chip categories.

The new offerings would give AMD a more complete package of products as it takes on Intel, which has long supplied a wider portfolio that includes so-called chipsets that connect a microprocessor to a PC's other core components and graphics chips that power images rendered by computer games and internet video.

Markham, Ontario-based ATI, which makes chipsets and graphics chips for PCs, also makes a host of semiconductors for consumer products, such high definition TVs and cell phones.

An acquisition of ATI "would make AMD a bigger player with a more diversified portfolio," said Nathan Brookwood, an analyst with research firm Insight 64. "If there is any truth to this deal, it would certainly put AMD on a more equal footing relative to Intel."

A deal would also put competitive pressure on Nvidia Corp., the other dominant maker of graphics chips. Santa Clara-based Nvidia has competed against Intel in selling chipsets and graphics chips while counting on AMD for sales of those products.

AMD has scheduled a telephone conference for 8 a.m. EDT Monday to make a "significant corporate announcement." Chief Executive Hector Ruiz and Chief Financial Officer Bob Rivet planned to staff the call.

AMD spokeswoman Brenda Rarick declined to say what that announcement was or to comment on the news reports. Officials from ATI didn't return messages left late Sunday.

We'll know pretty soon

 

[thescreensavers]

Nvida chip set for AMD now no chipset?

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I really miss the old days.. 3DFX, SGI, Maxtor, NV, ATi, etc..

The sole survivor is NV..

VERY BAD NEWS!

Maxtor graphics cards? Yes I remember them, friggen ran hot and had tons of graphics space, they ran slow but they did have tons of space! You still can't get a graphics card with 10gigs of memory space nowadays..




:laugh:

I think you meant matrox.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I really miss the old days.. 3DFX, SGI, Maxtor, NV, ATi, etc..

The sole survivor is NV..

VERY BAD NEWS!

Maxtor graphics cards? Yes I remember them, friggen ran hot and had tons of graphics space, they ran slow but they did have tons of space! You still can't get a graphics card with 10gigs of memory space nowadays..




:laugh:

I think you meant matrox.

Yea wateva. Just proves they didnt have much impact on the GPU market.

S3 and XGI needs to step it up.

 

[Cooler]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33225
ATI/AMD just lost the bus license for creating Intel mobos in year or so. Is there anything Intel could do to stop ATI high end on any of there next gen cpus? IF this merger kills off ATI high end I will be really upset as i have always had Intel+ATI computers since 1998.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33225
ATI/AMD just lost the bus license for creating Intel mobos in year or so. Is there anything Intel could do to stop ATI high end on any of there next gen cpus? IF this merger kills off ATI high end I will be really upset as i have always had Intel+ATI computers since 1998.

there is a lot of cross licencing between ATi and Intel . . . lawsuits are possible between them if there is 'bad blood'. . . . however not "renewing' a licence that is due to expire in "a year or two" doesn't mean anything - yet.

And i seriously doubt that ATi's high end GPUs iare going to be affected - for a LONG time . . . ATi has AMD to cozy up to . . . . . and they are not gonna just 'give' the high-end to nVidia.

the inq's take:
AMD has to buy ATI to survive

 

[apoppin]

and it's *Official*

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~110899,00.html

AMD's press release

i guess the conference call is right now

 

[Gstanfor]

For once the inquirer makes a wee bit of long-term sense (note that Fraud didn't author the article...), but I very much doubt nvidia will feel too much pressure from massively multi-core cpu's any time soon. There is still way too much specialized stuff being done in gpu's for cpu's ever to be able to keep up (just try getting a 32 core cpu to process bilinear filtered textures even as fast as say a GF4 4200 and see how far you get).

It may be official from the standpoint of the company executives, but the shareholders have yet to have their say (not that I'm expecting them to veto the deal).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
For once the inquirer makes a wee bit of long-term sense (note that Fraud didn't author the article...), but I very much doubt nvidia will feel too much pressure from massively multi-core cpu's any time soon. There is still way too much specialized stuff being done in gpu's for cpu's ever to be able to keep up (just try getting a 32 core cpu to process bilinear filtered textures even as fast as say a GF4 4200 and see how far you get).

It may be official from the standpoint of the company executives, but the shareholders have yet to have their say (not that I'm expecting them to veto the deal).

yes surprisingly insightful - for theinq.
'
i don't think the ATi shareholders will like to pay the penalty for not going thru with it.

i'd say it's as good as 'done' . . . ..

and it doesn't really look that bad for anyone . . .except maybe intel in the short run.

 

[MegaWorks]

Ha! I can't believe that ATI managed to merge with AMD instead of an nVidia+AMD merge.

nVidia is in serious trouble now, I don?t believe that intel is interested in nVidia. This news must really be frustrating for nVidia fanboys. :laugh: