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happy medium

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Originally posted by: thilan29
Originally posted by: happy medium
And you can't do them in sepaerate windows on a 55 inch screen as well?
Really tell me? I know nothing.

A 55inch screen is still only 1920x1080...that's why you couldn't do it in separate windows.

So your saying if I separated 4 windows (4 different programs) on my hdmi lcd it wouldn't work? Like say a home builders program ,on the web,playing MAME,and watching a video? I couldn't put that on my Lcd at the same time?
 

happy medium

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
The rest of the Small form factor crowd should be going gaga over the 5870 and 5850. Am I the only one that's excited that this is quite possibly the first high end, Gaming capable, single card, and single GPU solution that can do triple display? The triple display is the primary reason I'm picking one up. I'm certainly not complaining about the added performance over a single 4870 512MB.

Any other solutions for this required an expensive external adapter (matrox), multiple video cards (sli/xfire), or multiple GPUs (4850 X2).

This card will enable me to build my next rig as a shuttle SFF and still get triple display and high end gaming.

Is there something that 5, 24inch monitors can do that a 50 inch lcd can't? I never had more then 2 displays. So educate me..What do you do play games on one and surf the web on another ect. ect.?

I'd rather play on one of these for about the same price.:thumbsup:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/inc...Sku=V25-5500&imgcart=1

Let me educate you: there are people beyond your single-tasking world, moreover even among single tasks there are some that would great benefit from more screen real estate - imagine if people would be able to edit videos on their machines, design things on their machines etc etc etc...


...now here's a small secret: people ALREADY DO these magical things...!

And you can't do them in sepaerate windows on a 55 inch screen as well?
Really tell me? I know nothing.

Oh yes, we have all recognized that now... :p

To avoid further embarrassing you might want to start here before asking anything else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

PS: I have a great 50" plasma for sale, don't worry about its resolution (848), it's big enough, right? ;)

Embarrassed? I don't get it.
 

thilanliyan

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Originally posted by: happy medium
So your saying if I separated 4 windows (4 different programs) on my hdmi lcd it wouldn't work? Like say a home builders program ,on the web,playing MAME,and watching a video? I couldn't put that on my Lcd at the same time?

I didn't mean to say it wouldn't work...just that it's not very practical. How much work could you get done in a 960x540 window? That is just way too small to sit at for hours doing work. Imagine the amount of scrolling!!! :)
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
The rest of the Small form factor crowd should be going gaga over the 5870 and 5850. Am I the only one that's excited that this is quite possibly the first high end, Gaming capable, single card, and single GPU solution that can do triple display? The triple display is the primary reason I'm picking one up. I'm certainly not complaining about the added performance over a single 4870 512MB.

Any other solutions for this required an expensive external adapter (matrox), multiple video cards (sli/xfire), or multiple GPUs (4850 X2).

This card will enable me to build my next rig as a shuttle SFF and still get triple display and high end gaming.

Is there something that 5, 24inch monitors can do that a 50 inch lcd can't? I never had more then 2 displays. So educate me..What do you do play games on one and surf the web on another ect. ect.?

I'd rather play on one of these for about the same price.:thumbsup:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/inc...Sku=V25-5500&imgcart=1

Let me educate you: there are people beyond your single-tasking world, moreover even among single tasks there are some that would great benefit from more screen real estate - imagine if people would be able to edit videos on their machines, design things on their machines etc etc etc...


...now here's a small secret: people ALREADY DO these magical things...!

And you can't do them in sepaerate windows on a 55 inch screen as well?
Really tell me? I know nothing.

Oh yes, we have all recognized that now... :p

To avoid further embarrassing you might want to start here before asking anything else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

PS: I have a great 50" plasma for sale, don't worry about its resolution (848), it's big enough, right? ;)

Embarrassed? I don't get it.

Ouch...

Priceless, that is.
 

happy medium

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ok i see .So your saying each window will not be 1900x1080. Thanks now I get it. Thanks I didn't know that.
 

Gikaseixas

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Well i took some bits from some well known websites and here's what reviewers said:

www.3dguru.com

Performance -- Well it's grand really. Some titles like Fallout 3 I expected to see a little better scaling but the generic consensus is that the Radeon HD 5870 is MUCH faster than the current leading flagship, the GeForce GTX 285. In fact on occasion it's even faster here and there than a GeForce GTX 295. See this is not a measly small upgrade, no Sir. ATI doubled up everything on the Radeon HD 5870 making sure you will get a grand gaming experience. And oh my gawd, I just realized what a beast the 5870 X2 will be.

www.techreport.com

AMD has succeeded in delivering the first DirectX 11 GPU by some number of months, perhaps more than just a few, depending on how quickly Nvidia can get its DX11 part to market. AMD has also managed to double its graphics and compute performance outright from one generation to the next, while ratcheting up image quality at the same time. The Radeon HD 5870 is the fastest GPU on the planet, with the best visual output, and the most compelling set of features. Yet it's still a mid-sized chip by GPU standards. As a result, the 5870's power draw, noise levels, and GPU temperatures are all admirably low. My one gripe: I wish the board wasn't quite so long, because it may face clearance issues in some enclosures.

www.hothardware.com

Performance Summary: The new Radeon HD 5870 proved to be an excellent performer throughout our entire battery of tests. In comparison to other single-GPU powered cards, the Radeon HD 5870 is clearly and unquestionably the most powerful released to date. The Radeon HD 4890 and GeForce GTX 285 never really came close to competing with the Radeon HD 5870, regardless of the benchmark or game, or resolution tested.

The Radeon HD 5870 also performed very well in light of the dual-GPU powered offerings we compared it to--the Radeon HD 4870 X2 and GeForce GTX 295. More often than not, the single-GPU powered Radeon HD 5870 is faster than the Radeon HD 4870 X2, depending on the game engine and resolution; 3DMark Vantage, ET:QW and Left 4 Dead ran better on the 5870, while the cards split victories in FarCry 2, and the 4870 X2 finished out in front in H.A.W.X. and Crysis. The GeForce GTX 295, however, was a bit faster than the Radeon HD 5870 overall. The performance deltas weren't very large though, the Radeon consumed far less power, and it isn't plagued by the issues sometimes associated with multi-GPU solutions.

www.tweaktown.com

So that's our first HD 5870 and to be honest the card is a whole lot better than I expected it to be. The HD 5870 really had to do one thing; that was beat the GTX 285. The thing about that, though, is it had to do that one thing well. The good news? It does; it manages to do it very well.

www.hexus.com

NVIDIA will release DX11 GPUs at the back end of this year. AMD's shown its hand and we rate it as 'A', and there's little reason why it won't sell well in the lead time before NVIDIA's GT300 hits the shelves. The green team will need to bring an 'A+' game to the table if upstaging AMD is still a priority.

Bottom line: AMD's ATI Radeon HD 5870 and HD 5850 represent solid advances in GPU technology. NVIDIA will need to bring excellence to every facet if it's to a launch a better-thought-out series of high-end GPU.



 

T2k

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Originally posted by: happy medium
ok i see .So your saying each window will not be 1900x1080. Thanks now I get it. Thanks I didn't know that.

If you are for real then I apologize for my jokes. Seriously.
 

happy medium

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
ok i see .So your saying each window will not be 1900x1080. Thanks now I get it. Thanks I didn't know that.

If you are for real then I apologize for my jokes. Seriously.

No problem .:thumbsup:

I just recently hooked my Tv up to my system to play some Need 4 speed Shift. Havent tinkered with it much.

So the 5 monitor thing is really for a professional user?
 

OCGuy

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That 10K estimate of initial cards available through channels other than Dell is looking more and more accurate. I just checked the only "available" card at ZZF, and it is a pre-order for October.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: happy medium
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um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: happy medium
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um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: coconutboy
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Who are you supposed to be asking? If it is a hypothetical ATi fan, then using the last generation isn't a good one if you want the company to continue to exist. They were utterly destroyed in the marketplace when looking at the 4xxx parts versus nV's lineup, by a 2:1 ratio.

Please link a source for this statement because I call BS. Not that this is 100% proof-positive but it's a helluva lot more credible than your 2:1 claim. Add up the Nvidia G200 parts vs ATI's 4800 series and you've got ATI leading Nvidia, by a sizable margin, not the other way around.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Also, ATI is making a larger profit margin on each 4800 series GPU they sell due to a smaller die per chip vs the huge chips G200 Nv chips.

Mind you, I don't care about this ATI vs Nv nonsense beyond their competition equaling lower prices, but let's be honest about our claims.

BenSkywalker's claim is an utter BS, a total crap. As a matter of fact ATI HAS MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH NVIDIA in the past 18 months - NV is UNABLE TO LAUNCH any competitive new product since early 2008 and continuously LOST MARKET SHARE TO ATI, according to all industry reports.

Jun 27, 2008: AMD expected to grab 40% discrete graphics card market share in 3Q08 @Digitimes

Aug 15, 2008: AMD aims to grab 50% share of discrete graphics card market by the end of 2008 @Digitimes

Nov 14, 2008: Nvidia to cut graphics card prices to counter AMD market share gains@Digitimes

Dec 31, 2008: Graphics card price-cuts effective in boosting sales, says paper @Digitimes

Feb 2, 2009: GPU shipments dive in 4Q08, says JPR @Digitimes

Jul 20, 2009: Graphics take a hit in 2009 and to come back in 2010, says Jon Peddie Research @Digitimes

Aug 28, 2009: Graphics card market shows signs of stability in 2Q09, says Jon Peddie Research @Digitimes

Um, did you actually read those articles? If you did, you would have seen that ati was at 35% and nvidia at 64% market penetration in q2 2009.

Ummm, I did - just WTF is that you are talking about, seriously...?

What that article failed to state was that ati was up 4% and nvidia was DOWN 4%. Sinced q1 and q2 are both "last generation", let's take the average of the two, so...hmmm, ati 33 % average, and nvidia is 66% average over the past 2 quarters. Looks to me like your link just proved ben skywalker to be EXACTLY CORRECT.

Quite the contrary it has proved that ATI HAS GRABBED overall market share form NV throughout 2008. Even you just admitted it.

um, that is doubtless true, but ben said that nvidia was outselling ati by 2 - 1, not that nvidia was increasing their market share. Don't take my word for it, however, just go back and read his post again. It's just a few pages back. Take your time. Once you reread it (or possibly read the entire post for the first time), then please come back and tell me how all your links prove that nvidia is NOT outselling ati 2-1 through q2 (the latest available info).
 

SlowSpyder

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Originally posted by: OCguy
That 10K estimate of initial cards available through channels other than Dell is looking more and more accurate. I just checked the only "available" card at ZZF, and it is a pre-order for October.

How do you know? I'm not saying that's not the case, but I don't know that it is the case either. AMD has said that the number is no where close to 90%. But a source says that only 10% will be available for retail and several people run with that. We just don't know how many have sold so far or where they're going. We don't know if they are selling out in great qauntities, or if they are selling out because they only released a small number of parts to retail.

Besides, I think AMD's stance on this was hard launch on 9/23, mass availability in October. I know I read that before.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: happy medium
...

um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

@slowspyder: remember, this is a paper/dell launch b/c dell is getting the lion's share of the first batch of cards. A true hard launch typically takes more than a few hours to completely sell out on sites not named dell.com
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: coconutboy
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Who are you supposed to be asking? If it is a hypothetical ATi fan, then using the last generation isn't a good one if you want the company to continue to exist. They were utterly destroyed in the marketplace when looking at the 4xxx parts versus nV's lineup, by a 2:1 ratio.

Please link a source for this statement because I call BS. Not that this is 100% proof-positive but it's a helluva lot more credible than your 2:1 claim. Add up the Nvidia G200 parts vs ATI's 4800 series and you've got ATI leading Nvidia, by a sizable margin, not the other way around.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Also, ATI is making a larger profit margin on each 4800 series GPU they sell due to a smaller die per chip vs the huge chips G200 Nv chips.

Mind you, I don't care about this ATI vs Nv nonsense beyond their competition equaling lower prices, but let's be honest about our claims.

BenSkywalker's claim is an utter BS, a total crap. As a matter of fact ATI HAS MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH NVIDIA in the past 18 months - NV is UNABLE TO LAUNCH any competitive new product since early 2008 and continuously LOST MARKET SHARE TO ATI, according to all industry reports.

Jun 27, 2008: AMD expected to grab 40% discrete graphics card market share in 3Q08 @Digitimes

Aug 15, 2008: AMD aims to grab 50% share of discrete graphics card market by the end of 2008 @Digitimes

Nov 14, 2008: Nvidia to cut graphics card prices to counter AMD market share gains@Digitimes

Dec 31, 2008: Graphics card price-cuts effective in boosting sales, says paper @Digitimes

Feb 2, 2009: GPU shipments dive in 4Q08, says JPR @Digitimes

Jul 20, 2009: Graphics take a hit in 2009 and to come back in 2010, says Jon Peddie Research @Digitimes

Aug 28, 2009: Graphics card market shows signs of stability in 2Q09, says Jon Peddie Research @Digitimes

Um, did you actually read those articles? If you did, you would have seen that ati was at 35% and nvidia at 64% market penetration in q2 2009.

Ummm, I did - just WTF is that you are talking about, seriously...?

What that article failed to state was that ati was up 4% and nvidia was DOWN 4%. Sinced q1 and q2 are both "last generation", let's take the average of the two, so...hmmm, ati 33 % average, and nvidia is 66% average over the past 2 quarters. Looks to me like your link just proved ben skywalker to be EXACTLY CORRECT.

Quite the contrary it has proved that ATI HAS GRABBED overall market share form NV throughout 2008. Even you just admitted it.

um, that is doubtless true, but ben said that nvidia was outselling ati by 2 - 1, not that nvidia was increasing their market share. Don't take my word for it, however, just go back and read his post again. It's just a few pages back. Take your time. Once you reread it (or possibly read the entire post for the first time), then please come back and tell me how all your links prove that nvidia is NOT outselling ati 2-1 through q2 (the latest available info).

Dude, I don't even know what to say now... here's a hint: look at the first quote in the chain and read this part again: "They were utterly destroyed in the marketplace when looking at the 4xxx parts versus nV's lineup, by a 2:1 ratio."
;)
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: happy medium
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um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

Is this the same dude who didn't know what display resolution means...?
 

T2k

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Mark my words: whoever thinks Nv will be shipping GT300 anytime before January is fooling himself.
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: happy medium
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um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

Is this the same dude who didn't know what display resolution means...?

ok, good point :) However, I was responding to his post so it seemed appropriate to use his time frame for reference. As you doubtless could tell, I was somewhat skeptical of his predicted time frame.
 

AzN

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: happy medium
Originally posted by: VooDooAddict
The rest of the Small form factor crowd should be going gaga over the 5870 and 5850. Am I the only one that's excited that this is quite possibly the first high end, Gaming capable, single card, and single GPU solution that can do triple display? The triple display is the primary reason I'm picking one up. I'm certainly not complaining about the added performance over a single 4870 512MB.

Any other solutions for this required an expensive external adapter (matrox), multiple video cards (sli/xfire), or multiple GPUs (4850 X2).

This card will enable me to build my next rig as a shuttle SFF and still get triple display and high end gaming.

Is there something that 5, 24inch monitors can do that a 50 inch lcd can't? I never had more then 2 displays. So educate me..What do you do play games on one and surf the web on another ect. ect.?

I'd rather play on one of these for about the same price.:thumbsup:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/inc...Sku=V25-5500&imgcart=1

Let me educate you: there are people beyond your single-tasking world, moreover even among single tasks there are some that would great benefit from more screen real estate - imagine if people would be able to edit videos on their machines, design things on their machines etc etc etc...


...now here's a small secret: people ALREADY DO these magical things...!

Not to mention eyefinity combines resolution.

So if you buy a 50" LCD TV you are at 1920x1080 or whatever and it would cost more than 3 24" LCD @ 1920x1200 = 5760x1200.
 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: OCguy
That 10K estimate of initial cards available through channels other than Dell is looking more and more accurate. I just checked the only "available" card at ZZF, and it is a pre-order for October.

Dave Bauman over at B3D actually confirmed that the 10% ratio was a joke. He said that a portion went to Dell but it was no where near the 90% that was bandied about by some source.
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Originally posted by: happy medium
...

um, yeah. gt 300 is shipping in late oct/early nov. so in 30-45 days, gt 300 is going to be on newegg. If that is the case, then why didn't nvidia leak some killer benchmarks to rain on ati's parade????? Why aren't they talking this up like there's no tomorrow???? Is it because gt300 sucks, or is it because gt300 is going to be later than you think? Sorry, but jen hsun is a marketing badass, and he's got some great guys working for him. If gt300 were just around the corner and was going to beat up on 5xxx then they would be screaming it at the top of their lungs right now. Sad to say, but we'd better get used to 379/259 for, at BEST, the next few months, and at worst a whole lot longer than that.

Links to any industry people predicting October? My guess is right before Xmas if it is Q4.

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

Is this the same dude who didn't know what display resolution means...?

ok, good point :) However, I was responding to his post so it seemed appropriate to use his time frame for reference. As you doubtless could tell, I was somewhat skeptical of his predicted time frame.

:beer::D
 

bryanW1995

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: bryanW1995

happy medium predicted oct/nov in his post.

So that should be the measuring stick?

no, but I was replying to his post so it seemed appropriate to bring it up. Why are you making such a big deal out of this? If you were replying to my post would you bring up things that azn or keys postulated, or would you discuss MY ideas/thoughts/theories? happy medium mentioned as a fact, not an opinion, that gt300 would be released in oct/nov. I took that to mean "30-45 days". Technically, I should have written "36-67" days. Happy?
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: Elfear
Originally posted by: OCguy
That 10K estimate of initial cards available through channels other than Dell is looking more and more accurate. I just checked the only "available" card at ZZF, and it is a pre-order for October.

Dave Bauman over at B3D actually confirmed that the 10% ratio was a joke. He said that a portion went to Dell but it was no where near the 90% that was bandied about by some source.

Oh yeah, I'm sure DB always say the real truth - he's nothing to do with ATI...



...except he works there. :frown: