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Athlon XP 2000+ vs Celeron 1.7 GHz

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Maybe you should have a look in the CPU/Overclocing forum about the "2100+ Tbred B's". I own one myself...nice chips 🙂
 
I still say you guys are exaggerating. Overclock a Celeron 2.0 and it'll outpace the XP 2000+ handily EXCEPT IN GAMES!
If you're not a gaming buff, you'll never really miss it - and may appreciate what Intel offers, even with the low-cost Northwood Celeron 2.0.

You'll never have to worry about overheating. 😉

If you're playing games though, go to an AMD XP and don't look back.
 
Originally posted by: bluemax
I still say you guys are exaggerating. Overclock a Celeron 2.0 and it'll outpace the XP 2000+ handily EXCEPT IN GAMES!
If you're not a gaming buff, you'll never really miss it - and may appreciate what Intel offers, even with the low-cost Northwood Celeron 2.0.

You'll never have to worry about overheating. 😉

If you're playing games though, go to an AMD XP and don't look back.
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You're not very good with numbers or English, are you? "Celeron 1.7", not "overclocked Celeron 2.0 Northwood core".

And let's not even talk about what an OCed TBred of similar cost would do to said Celeron 2.0 😛

- M4H
 
You're not very good with numbers or English, are you? "Celeron 1.7", not "overclocked Celeron 2.0 Northwood core".

And let's not even talk about what an OCed TBred of similar cost would do to said Celeron 2.0 😛

- M4H
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I mentioned in a previous post that *********IF********** he was set on going Intel for whatever reason, he should go for the Northwood Celeron 2.0.
Scroll up. 😉

And if he's not playing fancy-schmancy video games, he'd never really see the difference between the two.
Or are you just going to play the "all Celerons suck at everything" ticket? :Q
 
This is gonna be a toughy. Celeron it is!

Yeah, the 2000+ is a much better CPU overall. Though, I'd probally get a 1700+ Tbred instead, and find a nice OCing mobo.
 
I have an earlier version of this ECS board with a Duron 950 and sdram that I built to be a SOHO print and storage server. Running WinXP Pro, it has never crashed in 1.5 yrs (other than one time when I screwed up a driver install). Definitely go with the AMD XP and the ECS.
 
AThlon XP and ECS. I'm running an ECS K7S5A pro rev 3.0 board with a tbred-B JHUIB XP 1800+ and it's amazing. It's great with both DDR and SD and kills Freya's 1.8 Celeron E-machine with DDR by a long shot. LOOOOON SHOT. Very stable. Celerons are for chumps.
 
Originally posted by: bluemax
I still say you guys are exaggerating. Overclock a Celeron 2.0 and it'll outpace the XP 2000+ handily EXCEPT IN GAMES!
If you're not a gaming buff, you'll never really miss it - and may appreciate what Intel offers, even with the low-cost Northwood Celeron 2.0.

You'll never have to worry about overheating. 😉

If you're playing games though, go to an AMD XP and don't look back.
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How much would I have to overlclock the celeron 2.0? to 3.0? (tomshardware claims its possible). I went to buy the ECS today and they had sold out. So I am contemplating the celeron now because I don't think they'll get the ECS back in stock again 🙁 Or perhaps I should spend the $100 CAN more and get the A7N8X-DLX and $80 for 256 DDR pc3200 crucial. That then brings my upgrade to a costly $180 more than I was hoping (this is to replace k6-2 500).

decisions decisions...
 
Go the Athlon XP route. I did a cheap upgrade, but what I did was buy an Athlon XP 1800+ (Thoroughbred A) and an MSI KT4VL motherboard, and I use DDR333 memory from Crucial. I overclocked the XP 1800+ to 2000+ with a 333Mhz FSB and it has been running nonstop for 2 months. Last time I rebooted was for updates. I strongly recommend you consider that board because it is cheap, and it is very fast. Oh yea, I barely had to up the voltage. I increased the voltage from 'Auto' (1.5v) to 1.525v just for good measure. It never goes higher than 110 F and I'm using the ThermalTake Volcano 9.

I am sure going with a Celeron 1.7 is OKAY, but I agree with the rest that if its the same price as the Athlon XP, definitely choose the XP because it is very fast and will easily last you a long time. I'm not going to bash the Celerons, because Intel has done a good job of competing with AMD and I commend them for it. However, they haven't done a good job of it in the value market 😀.
 
Athlon XP 2000+ vs Celeron 1.7 GHz
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I vote for the Celeron. That's what I did - I went from an Athlon XP 1800+ on a KT133A board to Celeron 1.7 on a SIS645DX board. 4 months after, what do you think? I'm absolutely happy with it. Yes, the Athlon seemed at least 3 times faster than my current setup. So what? Who needs that speed when I'm on dialup and don't play games? The reason why I dumped Athon was that I couldn't find a quality cooler for it. It seemed liek the really silent ones were extremely difficult to get and cost around $30. Your typical Coolermaster or Thermaltake you get for an Athlon is total crap noise-wise compared to a super silent Intel retail cooler.

To sum it up,
Athlon XP is lots better than Celeron as a CPU. However, due to the lack of quality coolers for AMD, it turns a wonderful and cheap CPU into a rather noisy, annoying and thus undesireable alternative.
Celeron is just as expensive as the Athlon, and is twice or even thrice slower. However, you can get for only $5-6 top quality cooler for it made by Sanyo which is the quietest on the market (boxed cooler).

If only AMD cared for coolers... I'd never go Intel. Plus, the upgrade opportunities of the Celeron on that board are great.
 
Originally posted by: DWW
Originally posted by: bluemax
I still say you guys are exaggerating. Overclock a Celeron 2.0 and it'll outpace the XP 2000+ handily EXCEPT IN GAMES!
If you're not a gaming buff, you'll never really miss it - and may appreciate what Intel offers, even with the low-cost Northwood Celeron 2.0.

You'll never have to worry about overheating. 😉

If you're playing games though, go to an AMD XP and don't look back.
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How much would I have to overlclock the celeron 2.0? to 3.0? (tomshardware claims its possible). I went to buy the ECS today and they had sold out. So I am contemplating the celeron now because I don't think they'll get the ECS back in stock again 🙁 Or perhaps I should spend the $100 CAN more and get the A7N8X-DLX and $80 for 256 DDR pc3200 crucial. That then brings my upgrade to a costly $180 more than I was hoping (this is to replace k6-2 500).

decisions decisions...
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I'll emphasize this again: PC133 is not the right answer for a Pentium4-derived CPU. Even single-channel DDR isn't nearly the bandwidth the thing was designed for, but it's definitely better. RDRAM and dual-channel DDR are the best answer.

Someone did mention their 3DMark2001 score on a Celeron/PC133 system equipped with a GeForce 4 Ti4200 just recently... let's see here... aha, great to be a Subscriber sometimes 😀 here's the thread. His 3DMark2001 score is about half of what I'd expect from an AthlonXP 2000+-equipped system. Hope that helps.
 
Yes, the Athlon seemed at least 3 times faster than my current setup. So what? Who needs that speed when I'm on dialup and don't play games?
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Umm...well, maybe the person asking wants a computer that feels three times faster. Maybe he doesn't have dialup and maybe he's going to do more with his computer than surf the internet. He did say he wanted games as an option. The new T-Bred B's stock cooler for the lower end athlons is as quiet as the P4 stock, easily.
 
Hrm, now another option has been tossed out:
Athlon XP 1700+ JIUHB stepping.

I read these are amazing at overclocking and can hit 2.4 to 2.5 with air cooling. Can anyone verify this? Are they the top 1700 I read about? Any good and affordable heatsink+fan combos for their performance? (I DONT want to pay $100 for a 1 pound copper heatsink which the SLK-900 costs here.) Which board is the best for this overclocking in your guys opionions? Asus A7N8X, Epox 8RDA+, Abit NF7-S. These are all about the same price here so I'm not sure. Featurewise I'm not really specific. I mean, I still use PS/2 hehe. Is pc3200 crucial DDR ok for this overclocking venture? I don't have OCz (or whatever its called) readily available to me. And lastly, how does a 2.4 GHz Athlon XP compare? Its still using a slower FSB right, (do i even need that DDR400? or do i overclock this chip using FSB not multiplier? ive no clue)... how would this rank... comparable to a 3000+ Barton? If so I'll go for it I guess.

thanks again I appreciate it all.

PS reason I've considered this option is because it makes the more expensive motherboard worth it as ill get a good chunk more speed... like 700-800 MHz more if its possible like I read.
 
just get a cheap m/b, and a cheap tbred retail combo that comes with retail cooler which is rather decent. any oc u can get out of it will be enough to be satisfying.
 
Originally posted by: mechBgon
decisions decisions...
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I'll emphasize this again: PC133 is not the right answer for a Pentium4-derived CPU. Even single-channel DDR isn't nearly the bandwidth the thing was designed for, but it's definitely better. RDRAM and dual-channel DDR are the best answer. [/quote]

This is the nail in the coffin. Regardless of what you get, the PC133 will put a kink in your hose fast. As far as the Celeron \XP move... if you want cheap, quit and cool get the Celeron, just be sure you are not looking for a workhorse. As far as noise with HS's and XPs, no problem there if you feel the urge to splurge for a good HS with a large fan, but that's extra money. It comes down to power versus quiet and you can't have both without spending money or taking a performance hit, but that PC133 would be a horrible move.

As far as the XP\Celeron performance difference.... I honestly wouldn't take the time to look up a benchmark against the two, if one exists.

 
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