Athlon X2 Pricing.... Ouch!

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cryptonomicon

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: filterxg
I'm glad I got my Sempron. Should last me a year or two, then I'll get an M2 dualcore with Longhorn and I'll be all set.
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Excellant Strategy, but it has one fatal flaw: Sempron's are socket 754 and Athlon X2's are Socket 939!
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yes, this is true :(

but us 754s are still using AGP. and when we go 939 it will probably be time for a new gfx card, therefore a PCI-E graphics card upgrade simultaneously, and perhaps a new PSU with the new 24(?) pin standard.
 
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hurtstotalktoyou

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Please, go back and read my post again.
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Okay...
The facts are, if you want all around high performance, you get the X2 chip. End of story.
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Not everyone can afford the X2 chip. The whole "story" is that if you want "all around high performance" you look at your budget and allocate funds to appropriate components, based on the performance they offer. Most people don't have an extra $600 to blow on a CPU that will be worthless in five years.

And yes there are absolutes, here. The X2 chips are king (vs Intel's offerings). They do EVERYTHING well and power consumption is amazingly low. The only negative side is the price.
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For many, price is half of what defines a CPU. (The other half is performance.)

But like I said, if you want a chip that can do everything extremely well, you'll have to pay for it. If you are a budget conscious consumer and are satisfied with a chip that can do some tasks so-so (gaming), but can multitask well, the Pentium D chip is the chip for you. I don't like to sacrifice performance in ANY area, that is why the X2 (4600+ or 4800+) is the only chip I'm looking at. Like I said, I consider the Pentium D a mid level processor and it is priced accordingly. End of story.
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You seem to be substituting your desires for others.' Many consumers can't even afford a $600 PC, much less a $600 CPU.
 
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Also, let's not forget that AMD has very limited X2 production capacity right now. They are intentionally pricing themselves high at the moment in order to limit demand so that it is more in line with what they can actually produce right now. As an added bonus they get to rake in huge amounts of profit per chip comared to Intel, who is going to be selling large volumes of the lower margin 820s to Dell and other OEMs. It is a smart stratgey for AMD right now and a way to establish the X2 as a premium product (like the A64 was when it was launched).

The cheaper X2s will come out eventually when they have more production capacity. Just be patient. The product just launched.
 
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lol I love the users that post Eat that intel! They don't give a damn what u think, they care about Dell and their Tier 1 partners, that are buying 500-1000 cpu's at a time, not your buying 1 cpu. And as for the other users hopping for prices drops when these cpu's aren't even on the market, you not looking to intelligent! Don't expect any decent price drops until like 2006 on these cpu's! How long as the FX55 or heck even the 3500+ been out, and compare that to how much prices have drop in that time. If I were to purchase an X2 which I plan to eventually it probably won't be till mid 2006 or end of 2006, when the prices have settled. The people that need cpu's like this doing A/V editing etc, are the ones that will take the intial hit with the price, but then again these users are probably using this for work, which will make them money. So a valid investment. All the kids sitting at home having wet dreams about these cpu's for gaming rigs, unless u got the money. Forget about it, for atleast a year!
 
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Acanthus

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Originally posted by: JackBurton
WTF is wrong with you noobs? When AMD anounced their Athlon 1GHz CPU waaaaaay back when, it was $1000+. $1000 is the norm for the fastest CPU. Nothing has changed. Intel's dual core is cheaper, but the performance is definitely not on par with AMD's offering. With Intel, you have to make the choice, do I want the power to be in multitasking (dual core) or straight away speed (single core). With AMD's offering, you don't have to make that choice. AMD's dual core offers the best of both worlds, and THAT is what you are paying for. A VERY well rounded CPU. And I for one am willing to pay for it.
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Sure, the X2 4200+ is amazing, but it's simply out-of-reach for most mainstream consumers. Meanwhile, the Pentium D 820 (2.8 GHz) is set to sell for about the same price (or perhaps less) than the Athlon 64 3500+. As you can see from anandtech's benchmarks, the 820 out-performs the 3500+ in several different areas, and may rightly be considered an overall better processor: http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2389&p=4

By the way, why are you calling me a "noob"? I've been building PCs for years.
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The Pentium D is NOT a better all around processor. It depends what you are going to use it for. If you are multitasking/video encoding mainly, it is a better CPU (compared to teh 3500+). If you are primarily gaming, the 3500+ slaps it around. Intel priced their CPUs right where they should be because it is not a very well rounded CPU. You'll have to make a decision, do you multitask/encode or do you want to game. And I'm not going to even go into power consumption. AMD's dual core has it ALL. It's just an AWESOME chip all the way around. BUT, you'll have to pay for it. It's really that simple. I'm glad to see AMD not giving their chips away. They have the TOP CPUs on the market now, and they should price them accordingly.
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Power consumption? no one cares. really.

Does joe consumer go "is this computer gonna raise my electric bill by 0.3% beacause of the cpu?"
 
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Pabster

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Yeah kinda funny how all these AMD zealots who used to whine when people mentioned Athlon's power and heat issues are now telling us "D" is doomed because of the same thing. LOL.

This topic was supposed to be about X2 *pricing* but as usual it has turned in to (yet another) flame shoot.
 
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Originally posted by: cryptonomicon
man can AMD buy some more fab plants already. what do they cost each?
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As of about 2 years ago, 4 billion dollars and rising, equipment and all. Then the fab has to go through testing, making sure the tools are up to par, including the support tools, tweaking them, etc. Plus I think it takes 2 years or so for one fab to come online, from ground up to full production.
 
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I'd like to know why?: none of the AMD CPU's include Hyperthreading?
If Intel can clone AMD's X64 architecture, why can't AMD clone Intel's Hyperthreading feature?
Or, is Intel withholding the technology via patents?
Hyperthreading on an AMD X64 single core CPU, might "even the playing field" with Intel's offerings. That is: improve the AMD CPU's ability to multi-task.
 
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aka1nas

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Originally posted by: vailr
I'd like to know why?: none of the AMD CPU's include Hyperthreading?
If Intel can clone AMD's X64 architecture, why can't AMD clone Intel's Hyperthreading feature?
Or, is Intel withholding the technology via patents?
Hyperthreading on an AMD X64 single core CPU, might "even the playing field" with Intel's offerings. That is: improve the AMD CPU's ability to multi-task.
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HT wouldn't do very much for an A64 as it has a much shorter pipeline.
 
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