What do you think we should expect out of amd's new 64bit processors (athlon64) when they come out ? performance wise
athlon 64 ?
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what new OS do you speak of, do you mean xp 64bit ?? im sure your not talking about long horn because thats scheduled for 2004 - 2005
Yes, that's what he meant, I'm sure. BUT only then in synthetic benchmarks. 64bit computing is meaningless for almost all of what desktop users do. Hammer is simply too late. It would have beaten down the P4 easily if they could have gotten the clock speed up...but they couldn't. So it was delayed. And then delayed again. And when it finally is released, it will face such tough competion from Prescott that it will likely not do any better against prescott than barton is doing against the p4.
That, of course, is if AMD can work out its SOI frequency yield issues with IBM before sept and still somehow be able to ship in volume...
The delay has nothing to do with Windows X86-64 being delayed. That's just a PR excuse. If AMD tried to ship hammer today, what few chips could get out the door would run at less than 1ghz.
The delay has nothing to do with Windows X86-64 being delayed. That's just a PR excuse. If AMD tried to ship hammer today, what few chips could get out the door would run at less than 1ghz.
You can't really say that, the Barton has just come out and to be honest there's no real "true" figures of sales as of yet, but I wouldn't be surprised that the P4 is selling better anyway, but the funny thing is, AMD sells better in the UK than the Intel processor
And btw, the Opteron isn't going to be quad pumped like the Intel Processors but they're higher FPU more than makes up for it and provides faster calculations and higher overclocking, so in truth they kinda equal out, I just wish it wasn't just the UK market to see how equal on terms the AMD processor is with the Intel Processors, oh well, anyway I'll probably be buying myself an Opteron eventually, but first a Barton, or an FSB333 T'Bred, not sure yet, need an upgrade
Intel or AMD, both are quality processors, though even though you're saying that the Opteron is going to have stiff competition, they're actually aiming at a market where there's room for a LOT of expansion and practically no competition. Now where was that article... >_>
I'm not talking about sales. I'm talking about performance.
Also, who's talking about Opteron? Athlon 64 is the topic of this thread and it will be released first.
but amd has been demoing 1.6ghz hammers, and I would contend that barton is sizing up against p4's quite nicely. It is a little bit too late though
1.6Ghz hammers...right...and how many? 4?
Don't get me wrong:
The hammer architecture is fantastic. I'm just worried that the first iteration will be like the Willamette of yore.
And it will be.
Don't get me wrong:
The hammer architecture is fantastic. I'm just worried that the first iteration will be like the Willamette of yore.
And it will be.
The stupid answer: Despite being a new architecture, the PR is still 3400+ and will still perform close to the P4 3.4GHz give or take. Don't expect anything earthshattering right out of the box. It's funny to see people getting so jazzed over it. It's not going to get interesting until there's a native 64-bit Windows and applications to go along with it.
Why are they demonstrating chips over 1.8ghz? Hmmmmmmm so we know that they can make 1.8 ghz Athlon 64. You do know that opteron is still on schedule right? OMG you are so behind in the times! They have been demonstrating working chips for over a year! I think you are referring to when they shoe AO silicon working at 800 mhz. I dont think AMD really has to release the Athlon 64 right now anyways. The Barton is still quite competive to the p4. IF you think Intel will have a problem free transition to 90nm then you got another thing coming. Dont expect Intel to execute flawlessly. Heck I wouldnt be suprised if we didnt see another Athlon 32 bit core by september. Something like a Thouroughbred B. IF you do remember AMD originally was going to make Barton on SOI. So Dont be suprised if AMD releases an SOI Barton maybe even a 400 fsb.
You sir are extremely naive. Wow, they showed working silicon a year ago...I guess that means that they could have released hammer a year ago. HA! "They're" having so much trouble with SOI right now they couldn't produce a mass quantity of athlon 64s now if their company's life depended on it (and it does.) If you think being able to pick a handful of 1.8 hammers means that they can produce them en-masse, you don't any anything about producing processors.
AMD are already in production of mass silicon for the Athlon 64 and the Opteron is already available for special customers building large multi-chip servers. The 2.2GHz Athlon 64 is expected to have a model rating of 3400+ and that's only for 32 apps. Also, don't forget that with the on-die memory controller motherboards (also in production for release) will be significantly cheaper. AMD are sensible enough to launch the Athlon 64 with XP64 in order to piggyback the marketing for 64bit computing from Microsoft. The hammer won't be exceptional but it'll keep the competition up.
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Why will MB's be significantly cheaper? It seems to me that they will be more expensive because they will have to accomodate the higher pincount processor and this may require more PCB layers.
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I'll be interested to see what the A64's SSE2 performance is like. You notice that in AnandTech's tests with the Barton, SSE2 optomizations really light a fire under the P4 in some situations. Will the same hold true for Athlon 64? Enquiring minds want to know
A slightly higher pincount means squat, whereas the memory controller is one of the most expensive parts.
Actually, you got it backwards. Opteron is still set to be released on time(Next few months) and Clawhammer(Athlon64) was bumped back to september.
I am curious to see the impact of SSE2 instructions on the Athlon 64. The Athlon XP got a boost from the SSE instruction set. Once it comes out, we'll see how much of the Pentium 4's performance advantage is due to the instruction set and how much is due to its architectural advantages. Until the software was written to include SSE2 instructions, the Athlon fared far better than the P4 in most of the FPU intensive applications.
Hopefully, AMD will be able to produce the clawhammer in sufficient quantities at reasonable speeds. The constant delays are becoming frustrating as the hammer was originally due out a while ago. The K7 architecture is now 3-1/2 years old. Intel had a similar gap (larger?) between the PII core and the P4. Although, rumours had it that they were hoping to abandon X86 and filtering IA64 to the desktop to replace it. Either way, the P4 development was almost certainly low priority until the Athlon was released.
I expect the Athlon 64 to measure up well with Prescott. However, if Intel continues their performance of the last year or so and doesn't have any problems reminiscent of those they had at the end of the PIII's life AMD won't be able to compete for too long.
Hopefully, AMD will be able to produce the clawhammer in sufficient quantities at reasonable speeds. The constant delays are becoming frustrating as the hammer was originally due out a while ago. The K7 architecture is now 3-1/2 years old. Intel had a similar gap (larger?) between the PII core and the P4. Although, rumours had it that they were hoping to abandon X86 and filtering IA64 to the desktop to replace it. Either way, the P4 development was almost certainly low priority until the Athlon was released.
I expect the Athlon 64 to measure up well with Prescott. However, if Intel continues their performance of the last year or so and doesn't have any problems reminiscent of those they had at the end of the PIII's life AMD won't be able to compete for too long.
I admit that AMD needs to get things done but heck you gotta give them some slack in some areas. THey have been around since 1969 and I dont think they are going to go under anytime soon. I think it is just amzing that we are even comparing AMD to Intel in such manner. Shoot 5 years ago you'd be crazy to think AMD could snatch the performance lead from Intel and be able to compete against Intel in every market segment.
Some comments here are intelligent, some are ignorant, specifically paralazarguer, who's name seems to translate into paralyzed arguer, and I couldn't agree more. Also, I'd be wary as he likely works for Intel and is mandated to talk up the company while bashing AMD.
Why would you want the Hammer now anyways? I don't understand what the demand is, and so I think it makes all the sense in the world to wait and release it with Microsoft's 64-bit OS. In fact, it makes no sense to release it now, even if they had it ready (who knows if they do or don't, seems like they could release something now if they wanted to after reading the anadtech article).
We now have the nforce2 platform along with $92 thoroughbred b 2100+'s (both of which I own now), and with this potent combo you have a bleeding edge pc (if you overclock to 2800+ speeds which is quite easy) for around $200. Add to that some cheap (and getting cheaper as we speak) DDR400 RAM and you're good to go. There's really no limitation to this setup I've detailed, and for such a sweet price, I don't understand why someone would feel like they are missing out on the Athlon 64 right now. I say give AMD 6 more months to get the processor more mature (unlike the original P4) and ship a respectible product, because for now, I'm quite happy with what's available, as should most users.
Also, please don't comment on Athlon 64 being worse than Prescott, how the heck do you know that? Gosh what an imbecile paralazarguer is.
Why would you want the Hammer now anyways? I don't understand what the demand is, and so I think it makes all the sense in the world to wait and release it with Microsoft's 64-bit OS. In fact, it makes no sense to release it now, even if they had it ready (who knows if they do or don't, seems like they could release something now if they wanted to after reading the anadtech article).
We now have the nforce2 platform along with $92 thoroughbred b 2100+'s (both of which I own now), and with this potent combo you have a bleeding edge pc (if you overclock to 2800+ speeds which is quite easy) for around $200. Add to that some cheap (and getting cheaper as we speak) DDR400 RAM and you're good to go. There's really no limitation to this setup I've detailed, and for such a sweet price, I don't understand why someone would feel like they are missing out on the Athlon 64 right now. I say give AMD 6 more months to get the processor more mature (unlike the original P4) and ship a respectible product, because for now, I'm quite happy with what's available, as should most users.
Also, please don't comment on Athlon 64 being worse than Prescott, how the heck do you know that? Gosh what an imbecile paralazarguer is.
I'll have to definitely agree with you there. Take the next quote, for example:
VERY ignorant, indeed. First off, Intel does not "mandate" to anyone to post on a msg board. That is just plain absurd.
I can only presume that you feel the same way about people who post pro-AMD/anti-Intel setiment, as well. How about those nVidia and ATi fans? I guess they are all corporate employees, too?
What's not to understand? AMD has been hyping this processor for almost two years now, citing how well it's going to perform. People want a high performance cpu, and AMD says they have it. They just haven't been able to deliver it yet.
So, he's an imbecile because he voiced his opinion on how he thinks the two cpu's will compare? Or is he an imbecile because he doesn't agree with YOUR opinion?
I would save my money and buy a XP 2800+. It easily beats the Opetron and Barton cores easily in lots of areas. Untill we see alot of 64 bits programs you would be making full use of the ""new"" 64-bit technology. The best you can expect is better and improved 32-bit processing.
Originally posted by: NokiaDude
I would save my money and buy a XP 2800+. It easily beats the Opetron and Barton cores easily in lots of areas. Untill we see alot of 64 bits programs you would be making full use of the ""new"" 64-bit technology. The best you can expect is better and improved 32-bit processing.
Hammer brings alot more to the table that just "64-bitness" (that don't help that much in general use. Only thing it helps out in is the doubled GP-registers). Hammer has these improvements when compared to regural Athlon:
More L2 cache (1meg)
Wider data-path to L2-cache (128bit as opposed to 64bits on regural Athlon. Altrough I'm not 100% sure of this)
SSE2-support
HyperTransport (equivalent of 800Mhz regural FSB)
Integrated mem-controller (significantly reduces mem-system latencies and better utilization of mem-bus)
128bit memory-bus (on Opteron, not Athlon 64)
Significantly improved branch-prediction
16 GP-registers when using x86-64 (as opposed to 8 in regural x86)
Those are considerable improvements. I wouldn't say that XP2800+ "easily beats Opteron". How do you now that? Have you seen benchmarks of Opterons final silicon? What makes you think that 2800+ will easily beat Opteron?
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