Athlon 64 Wins Best PC Processor Award

[kazeakuma]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Well, it can easily be argued that the Clawhammer isn't a true 64-bit processor, especially since it cannot address more than 4gb of memory.

That's news to me, got a linky?

Really? That's interesting, I too would like a linky. Because it would seem to me that the major benefit of moving to 64bit is the fact that you can address gobs of ram, kinda pointless without it if you ask me. As the performance of 32 vs 64 bit is really a non issue at the moment given what we do on pcs.

And pretty funny awards too, it seems like they pick the most hyped to be released product (or most popular) and slap it an award. I'm sure their awards mean alot too

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Well, it can easily be argued that the Clawhammer isn't a true 64-bit processor, especially since it cannot address more than 4gb of memory.

That's news to me, got a linky?

I saw it in an AMD powerpoint presentation... But it looks like they pulled the slides off the 'net.

However, if you look on this page from Ace's, you can see that they saw it too.

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why there's a limitation of 4gb for Clawhammer.

 

[kazeakuma]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Well, it can easily be argued that the Clawhammer isn't a true 64-bit processor, especially since it cannot address more than 4gb of memory.

That's news to me, got a linky?

I saw it in an AMD powerpoint presentation... But it looks like they pulled the slides off the 'net.

However, if you look on this page from Ace's, you can see that they saw it too.

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why there's a limitation of 4gb for Clawhammer.

Thanks for the link. The only reason I can think of is to differentiate between their server class and desktop class processors. Considering that most desktops don't need more than 512mb of ram, needing 4gb is still a long way off. Still, bit of a weird thing to do.

 

[Bluga]

inhell fans are needing there crying towels.

 

[ALstonLoong]

emm.is amd going to have 64 bit cpu for desktop too ?

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Wingznut
Well, it can easily be argued that the Clawhammer isn't a true 64-bit processor, especially since it cannot address more than 4gb of memory.

That's news to me, got a linky?

I saw it in an AMD powerpoint presentation... But it looks like they pulled the slides off the 'net.

However, if you look on this page from Ace's, you can see that they saw it too.

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure why there's a limitation of 4gb for Clawhammer.

Artificial perhaps? Force the people that want to go above 4GB to get a SledgeHammer/Opteron?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
emm.is amd going to have 64 bit cpu for desktop too ?

Yes. Clawhammer (which will be called Athlon 64) is intended for the destop. Sledgehammer (which will be called Opteron) will target the server environments.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: AtomicDude512
But AMD does rock and I am glad to see them gain some recognition.

AMD has never had a problem getting recognized in the business. Fab30 (AMD's cpu fab in Dresden) has garnered many acclaims, as well.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Or maybe they paid em... lol

 

[OldSpooky]

All I can do is snicker at this "award."

Sure, it's a mean thing to do, but I have no respect for those who give awards to non-existent prodcuts.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: OldSpooky
All I can do is snicker at this "award."

Sure, it's a mean thing to do, but I have no respect for those who give awards to non-existent prodcuts.

I hear ya. That's certainly not to say that the Hammer and NV30 aren't worthy of awards... But it just seems silly to give out awards for products that have yet to see the retail shelf.

I mean, if Clawhammer gets delayed one more time, it might be 2004 before it is available.

 

[human2k]

Pentium 99999999999999999 @ 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999THZ should win it next year.

 

[ALstonLoong]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
emm.is amd going to have 64 bit cpu for desktop too ?

Yes. Clawhammer (which will be called Athlon 64) is intended for the destop. Sledgehammer (which will be called Opteron) will target the server environments.

emm... since is 64bit cpu and 64bit os . Do all our current cdrw and videocard netowrkcard still able to use ?

 

[dexvx]

4GB of memory (thats 32bit memory addressing actually) is probably chipset limited.

The Athlon 64, at least the server versions have 40bit addressing, for up to 1TB of memory. Plenty, but still not 64 bit. Besides, what determines the bitness of a chip is so clouded anyways, it practically doesnt matter (the magical 128bit Emotion engine that powers PS2).

 

[AtomicDude512]

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
emm.is amd going to have 64 bit cpu for desktop too ?

Yes. Clawhammer (which will be called Athlon 64) is intended for the destop. Sledgehammer (which will be called Opteron) will target the server environments.

emm... since is 64bit cpu and 64bit os . Do all our current cdrw and videocard netowrkcard still able to use ?

Heck ya. You need an overview on x86-64. Completly backwards compatible with all your 32-Bit applications, and with Windows AMD64...

 

[Duvie]

All I can do is laugh...at this silly paper award for the kings of paper launching for the year 2002...and ofcourse the few amd fans who jumped into the thread to gloat.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: AtomicDude512

Originally posted by: ALstonLoongemm... since is 64bit cpu and 64bit os . Do all our current cdrw and videocard netowrkcard still able to use ?

Heck ya. You need an overview on x86-64. Completly backwards compatible with all your 32-Bit applications, and with Windows AMD64...

Maybe I need an overview too, but I don't see how current 32bit drivers are going to work in a 64bit OS.

Yes, the Hammer is backwards compatible, but I'm fairly sure you'll need updated drivers to run on the new Windows.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: AtomicDude512

Originally posted by: ALstonLoongemm... since is 64bit cpu and 64bit os . Do all our current cdrw and videocard netowrkcard still able to use ?

Heck ya. You need an overview on x86-64. Completly backwards compatible with all your 32-Bit applications, and with Windows AMD64...

Maybe I need an overview too, but I don't see how current 32bit drivers are going to work in a 64bit OS.

Yes, the Hammer is backwards compatible, but I'm fairly sure you'll need updated drivers to run on the new Windows.

As I understand it, that's correct. That said, all the major companies are already working on drivers(Nvidia, ATI, VIA, etc) so drivers for common hardware shouldn't be difficult to get.

 

[ALstonLoong]

emm...... why intel arent going 64bit in desktop? but Only run 64 bit in server.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
emm...... why intel arent going 64bit in desktop? but Only run 64 bit in server.

The main advantage for going 64bit is the ability to address more than 4gb of RAM. Is that a priority for the desktop user, yet?

Check out the AnandTech FAQ The myths and realities of 64-bit computing. That should answer quite a few questions.

 

[ALstonLoong]

thanks for the link .... now i know why AMD 64bit cpu pr 3000++ able to run faster then intel 3.06ghz .

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
thanks for the link .... now i know why AMD 64bit cpu pr 3000++ able to run faster then intel 3.06ghz .

Ummm... AMD doesn't have a 64bit cpu out yet.

 

[ALstonLoong]

i think i saw somewhere ppl are comparing amd 64 with intel 3.06 in photoshop ...if i am not mistaken ..let me seach and see..

oh..is at the inquirer ... but no big deal ..there are just comparing both processor on nforce2 and 845pe chipset I thought they are comparing athlon 64 with itanium

 

[bsr]

thats wrong to rate something that hasnt came out yet, Wether they have a pre-release (prototype) or not, it's just not right, misleading.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: ALstonLoong
i think i saw somewhere ppl are comparing amd 64 with intel 3.06 in photoshop ...if i am not mistaken ..let me seach and see..

oh..is at the inquirer ... but no big deal ..there are just comparing both processor on nforce2 and 845pe chipset I thought they are comparing athlon 64 with itanium

One benchmark, hand selected by AMD, doesn't give much info. And they used the fastest performing AMD motherboard with one of the slowest Intel motherboards. So for those reasons, I think we need more information before we can come to any conclusions. Plus by the time the Athlon 64 is released, the Intel 3.06 GHz will be nearly 1 year old, certainly not award worthy yet. However if they truely get the 4400+ out in the beginning of 2004, that will easily dominate over Intel, and will definately deserve an award. However many people are skeptical that AMD will have .09 micron working so quickly.