Athlon 5150 for Lego PC games

[cbn]

The problem is, if they have similar FPS it is because:
Celeron iGPU cant go any higher AND 5350 CPU cant go any faster

We don't have any FPS results for the G1840, we only have results for the Athlon 5350 in Lego Marvel Superhero.

I was just proposing what I think a hypothetical testing scenario should be (in post #149) if we did have both processors available.

 

[Enigmoid]

Meh, here is the Asus T100 playing lego marvel superheroes at 768p low

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le1-traCXz0
http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/threads/gaming-onthe-dell-venue-11-pro-atom-5130.60337/

Looks playable. Can't see a pentium doing worse.

Looking at system requirements and reviews it seems CPU heavy.

https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-...-Superheroes-system-requirements/td-p/7714288

Required C2D @ 2 Ghz, recommended C2Q @ 2.7.

 

[Shivansps]

I MIGHT be able to test it on thuesday on a G3220, but i cant say it for sure. What do you need?

 

[cbn]

i just dont see how on earth reducing resolution could play any good for the 5350

It should help if the cpu has more legs left.

By my estimate we went from 25 average FPS at 1280 x 800 low/medium to 27 average FPS at 1024 x 768 high.

So how much FPS gain is there to be had for Athlon 5350 by dropping resolution and/or detail settings further remains to be seen.

I would hope we could at least get to 30 FPS average in that Lego Marvel Super Heroes scene eventually (Although with that mentioned, I still question how representative that is scene is for gameplay. One person in post #91 of this thread has already mentioned driving the car in the side quests would be difficult at a low frame rate, so he recommended a higher hardware spec.)

 

[Shivansps]

My personal opinion? a 6400K + FM2 mATX cost $110.

Thats gona give higher igp gaming perf than celeron/pentium/am1.

A G1840+h81 matx+G630 cost $127, thats gona be even better.

And in a ITX it could be....
ECS H61H2-I - $36
Celeron G1610 - $50
Zotac G630 - $40
$126

The problem is that GT630 is not low profile.

 

[VirtualLarry]

My personal opinion? a 6400K + FM2 mATX cost $110.

Thats gona give higher igp gaming perf than celeron/pentium/am1.

A G1840+h81 matx+G630 cost $127, thats gona be even better.

And in a ITX it could be....
ECS H61H2-I - $36
Celeron G1610 - $50
Zotac G630 - $40
$126

The problem is that GT630 is not low profile.

Links:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...41&ignorebbr=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...89&ignorebbr=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&leaderboard=1

 

[cbn]

Too bad these Athlon 5350s don't go on sale very often (and especially not for a good discounted price).

If they did go on sale, I would be very tempted to pick one of these up to replace my $32 (after rebate) ECS E1-2100 cpu/motherboard combo---> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2368832&highlight=

Then I would compare Athlon 5350 to my G3258 (running its iGPU) at some reduced clock to simulate a Haswell Celeron.

 

[Seba]

I think that this debate became academic, because OP did not post again in this thread after post #22 on the first page.

He did not specify if he wants 1920x1080 or not (and if not, then what resolution) and what graphics settings he considers to be acceptable. Depending on the answer to these questions, some configurations might not be adequate.

 

[Blue_Max]

Agreed, but the mITX boards for FM2 cost, at minimum, $80.- putting the OP's over his $110.- budget.

The G3258 and mobo fit within the budget and are clearly the superior choice.

Can't argue with that - so long as he gets a nice video card to go with it. LEGO games are not as simple as some seem to think they are... they don't need much, but Intel IGP is going to look crappy.

GT630? Seems a bit anemic... but it's cheap. The Radeon R7 240 or 250 is faster... but more money. Still low profile at least...

 

[Insomniator]

5350 just seems like a dead end solution to scenario that can change at any moment. What if a new lego game comes out in 6 months that is just 10% more demanding? System is screwed. If you ever decide to add a discrete GPU for any reason, you now have a wayyyy worse CPU than if you got the pentium.

You're using the absolute minimum required for this use case... to save 10-30 bucks initially... and $5-15 a year? Spend the 30 bucks and get something that isn't a total piece of crap that can't be improved.

 

[davie jambo]

I'd go with an AMD APU actually , like the A10 6800K

You'd be able to play lego games on that much better than the Igpu on the intel chips

 

[Gikaseixas]

Low budget and gaming does not gel
Get a AMD FM2 or HAswell i3 and enjoy it for a couple more years

 

[janeuner]

AM1 APUs idle about 20 watts less than FM2 APUs*; if on 24/7, AM1 saves you about $15 a year.

The Haswell Pentium is close power wise, but has an inferior GPU.

The J1900 can compete on power, is hopelessly far behind for any 3D gaming.

Any HTPC for kids is bound to be left on almost constantly. Mine has been on probably 70% of the last 5 years.

All that considered, AM1 is an economical choice for his application.

* Edit:

There may be an exception in the case of A8-7600 and A6-7400k. Some reviewers have shown ~20w idle for those parts. If you could get those processors to perform that way, it would be on par power wise, perform better, but up front is noticably higher. That said, Athlon 5350 is still a safe bet.

 

[cbn]

AM1 APUs idle about 20 watts less than FM2 APUs*; if on 24/7, AM1 saves you about $15 a year.

The Haswell Pentium is close power wise, but has an inferior GPU.

Why do you say Haswell Pentium has an inferior GPU compared to AM1?

Athlon 5350's GPU is very small (128 GCN stream processors, running at a relatively slow 600 MHz).

 

[janeuner]

Because I was apparently misinformed. I did not notice that GT2 supports 4K resolutions. G1820 is much closer to Athlon 5350 than I realized.

Still, at the same price/performance, I'd go for the underdog because competition is good for everyone.

 

[cbn]

Because I was apparently misinformed. I did not notice that GT2 supports 4K resolutions. G1820 is much closer to Athlon 5350 than I realized.

Still, at the same price/performance, I'd go for the underdog because competition is good for everyone.

Haswell Pentium is GT1.

GT2 would be much more powerful than Athlon 5350's integrated R3 graphics.

 

[Madpacket]

I agree this thread has become academic. However I will compare the GT1 graphics on my Pentium G3258 to the 5350 soon so we can have closure

I just need a cheap ITX or mATX motherboard to pair it with. If anyone can suggest a cheap board that also overclocking please let me know.

 

[cbn]

I will compare the GT1 graphics on my Pentium G3258 tp the 5350 soon. I just need a cheap ITX or mATX motherboard to pair it with. If anyone can suggest a cheap board please let me know.

Asrock H81M-ITX is one of the cheapest LGA 1150 Mini-ITX boards (I think only the ECS is cheaper).

Nice thing about it is that it can also OC the G3258 too.

 

[Shivansps]

Nope, did you see the settings at 1024x768 ?? have a look at the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1M9QXHpXX8&feature=youtu.be

Haswell GT1 will chock with Full Settings and FSAA enable even at 1024x768. So just because you lower resolution doesnt mean the iGPU becomes less of a factor if you want to keep the highest image quality possible.

Im testing right now the Lego SuperHeroes on a G3220 with dual channel DDR3-1333 on 1024x768 with the exact same settings as the video, everything on/high and fps are on the high 30s hitting 40 a lot of times, and never going below 30.

But thats on the starting part, its not the same scene, the starting scene looks even more complex. with lot more objects and parts going all around, a video MAY come later, the problem is i cant record at a good quality.

DC is a must, ST 1333 was not able to hit 30.

 

[Abwx]

DC is a must, ST 1333 was not able to hit 30.

What happen at ST 1600, although this would be still indicative only for the intel cpu it would be interesting for the technical debate.

 

[Madpacket]

***Please refer to the following thread to continue this discussion***

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2400051

I recommend we let this thread die and I will start a new thread exploring the differences of these chips, focusing on the low end. After 7 pages I think we can agree this is important area that needs further exploration. With the majority of tech sites looking at the mid-high end, these entry level components need more attention.

I did hear back from the OP via a PM and he already made his decision based on the information we have provided so let's let this thread die

CBN thanks for the H81M-ITX recommendation, I have my selection narrowed down between a few boards, I just need to do a bit more research today. I'm in Canada so it's a little more difficult finding the best deal on hardware components, Americans have it pretty easy

Shivansps: Those frame rates look promising! A video (even a crappy one!) would be helpful for comparison purposes, even at 1280x800 to see how the GT1 scales at higher resolutions. If you can make it to the same scene I recorded on that would also be good, it's not very far in the game maybe 10 minutes in or so.

Okay this is my last post here. I will create a new thread shortly.

 

[Shivansps]

sorry guys this is my workplace, i cant do any extensive gaming tests like that, so this is it.

the video is coming in a few mins, i could not test higher resolutions because the only thing i can use is a 1024x768 CRT monitor and about the ST 1600, a wild guess whould be thats gona be better, ST 1333 was giving very similar performance to the 5350 on that video. The 2nd mem i used to make the DC at 1333 was a 1600, i could have tested that, so bad i did not think it before.

while the video is coming you may enjoy the 3dm score.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4062346

 

[cbn]

I recommend we let this thread die and I will start a new thread exploring the differences of these chips, focusing on the low end.

I think if there is thread dedicated to iGPU gamers it should center around playable frame rates.

Too many times we see comparisons of iGPU (even at relatively low resolution like 1280 x 1024) and the FPS is well below playable. And while I appreciate the data points various websites generate, I think the area of iGPU gamer deserves even more exploration until the proper resolution and detail settings are found to make the game playable.

Maybe 30 FPS average for general games and 60 FPS average for first person shooters, etc

With the majority of tech sites looking at the mid-high end, these entry level components need more attention.

Yes, Definitely.

 

[Shivansps]

there is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nkJzDO9nco

 

[cbn]

there is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nkJzDO9nco

I think your Pentium G3220 using the iGPU definitely beat the Athlon 5350 on 1024 x 768 high.

At 1:55 onward into the video with lots of objects on screen frame rate was in the 40's (dropping to a minimum of 38) compared to average frame rate of high 20's for the 5350.

The question is how would G1840 have done? (Same iGPU, but cpu loses 200 Mhz clockspeed and 1MB cache). I think it would have beat the 5350 by a good amount as well.