Athlon 5150 for Lego PC games

[Madpacket]

Pairing a 5350 with anything more than a 750 is wasteful. The 5350 can drive many games though just fine as my testing showed. PCPer also covers this here:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=s3hD0YYPORo

Anyway you're better off going with a Pentium if your intent is to add a graphic card in the near future but if you're not planning on adding a card I still recommend going with the 5350 over the pentium for the lowest cost and still capable solution.

 

[AtenRa]

But the G1840 is quite abit cheaper. So why dont you use that in your calculations? Also a price is a price.

Celeron G1840 = 43,99 (amazon)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $103,98


Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

total = $90,98

The Celeron is more expensive and brings nothing over the Athlon 5350 in iGPU gaming.

If GPU performance is all that matters. Then we can start adding Atoms with dGPUs then? But it will be just as hopeless as the Kabini.

Well ATOMs dont have PCI-e slots for dGPU.

 

[AtenRa]

If you want games you are going to have to look elsewhere.

Nobody here suggested the Athlon 5350 is the best CPU for gaming. The thread is about iGPU gaming on mini-itx with a budget of max $110 and the ability to play the LEGO games.

It has been established with more than one video so far that the Athlon 5350 is within the OPs budget and it can play the Games the OP wants for his 7 year old son.
Recommending a more expensive system with the Celeron G1840 or even more expensive Pentium G3258 that both bring nothing more in iGPU performance over the cheaper and less power hungry Athlon 5350 is beyond me. When in fact the Athlon 5350 can cope to the OPs needs both in price and performance.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Celeron G1840 = 43,99 (amazon)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $103,98


Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

total = $90,98

The Celeron is more expensive and brings nothing over the Athlon 5350 in iGPU gaming.

But it brings a whole new world in CPU performance. Something the 5350 already lacks.

The upgrade path for the 5350 is to throw board and CPU out and buy something new again.

Well ATOMs dont have PCI-e slots for dGPU.

They dont?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-242-_-Product

 

[SPBHM]

You can also see that Athlon 5350 + R7 240 is better than Pentium G3258 + iGPU at almost the same price.

Or,

That Pentium G3258 + iGPU brings almost nothing over Athlon 5350 + iGPU in gaming even at 1080p. And i would rather have the Athlon and Radeon driver than Intels GPU drivers for gaming any time.

why are you so interested in the g3258? when even the g1820 is much better than the 5350? and for low end gaming (with IGP or 240/250) the g3258 does not have a big advantage over the g1820, while the g1820 with the 250 clearly have a big advantage over the 5350

 

[Seba]

It has been established with more than one video so far that the Athlon 5350 is within the OPs budget and it can play the Games the OP wants for his 7 year old son.

It is not established such a thing. In order to be somewhat playable on 5350, the resolution must be drastically reduced.

Play at 1024x768 on a 16:9 big screen TV? Seriously?

 

[cbn]

that site has a G1840 for $130, if i look for better prices im sure im going to find the for everything, i not gona waste time on that.

yes ITX may be the only strong point of AM1 if you are actually counting pennies vs H81, FM2 goes way off.
Its just dont worth it, use a mATX HTPC case, its just a bit bigger, they have more room for disks and standart PSUs, whats the point of making it ITX when it can barely fit for purpose it its for? that makes no sence, AGAIN, either spend more money for a better ITX setup, or make it matx.

I think your idea of using mATX HTPC is not a bad one, but if only some came with riser cards (for gamers).

 

[AtenRa]

It is not established such a thing. In order to be somewhat playable on 5350, the resolution must be drastically reduced.

Play at 1024x768 on a 16:9 big screen TV? Seriously?

Do you have other hardware to recommend at or bellow the OPs $110 budget that it has higher performance in LEGO games that the $90 Athlon 5350 + Mini-itx board ???

Because i could easily recommend an FM2+ APU at $200-300 or dGPUs but all of them are beyond the OPs budget and scope.

 

[AtenRa]

why are you so interested in the g3258? when even the g1820 is much better than the 5350?

Better in what ?? iGPU gaming ??? dont thing so. The dGPU i was talking about was against the G3258 + iGPU at the same price, not any other combination.

 

[cbn]

It has been established with more than one video so far that the Athlon 5350 is within the OPs budget and it can play the Games the OP wants for his 7 year old son.

Somewhere around 25 FPS average in a not so demanding scene is not a good show of performance for Athlon 5350.

I would say at this point G1840 and the Asrock mini-itx board would be a much better choice.

 

[Seba]

Do you have other hardware to recommend at or bellow the OPs $110 budget that it has higher performance in LEGO games that the $90 Athlon 5350 + Mini-itx board ???

Because i could easily recommend an FM2+ APU at $200-300 or dGPUs but all of them are beyond the OPs budget and scope.

The budget and power constraints are unrealistic for this purpose (playing Lego games). Insisting on Mini-ITX only aggravates the situation (since the same build is more expensive if opting for Mini-ITX instead of mATX).

Can you build such a cheap PC, using 5350? Yes.

Will this 5350 based PC be adequate for it's intended purpose (Lego games)? No.

So my recommendations for OP is to either drop this build project, or change the budget and power requirements.

 

[cbn]

Better in what ?? iGPU gaming ??? dont thing so. The dGPU i was talking about was against the G3258 + iGPU at the same price, not any other combination.

Why do you think Athlon 5350 is a better choice than Haswell Celeron for iGPU gaming?

Best case scenario Athlon 5350 is tied with Celeron Haswell at higher resolutions in modern games (both will most likely be unplayable too). But drop resolution down to increase frame rate and the Celeron should do much better than the Athlon 5350 in many titles.

See that is the basic problem of chips like Athlon 5350 and the upcoming Intel Braswell (quad core atom with 16 EUs). These Tablet SOCs have a CPU to iGPU mismatch for desktop gaming usage in that the iGPU is only good enough for 1.) older games or 2.) modern games at very very low resolution. In both scenarios the four small cores (with low frequency and low IPC) are not as well matched to the demands of the game engine compared to other desktop processors with iGPU.

 

[Sweepr]

But the G1840 is quite abit cheaper. So why dont you use that in your calculations? Also a price is a price.

If GPU performance is all that matters. Then we can start adding Atoms with dGPUs then? But it will be just as hopeless as the Kabini even tho the GPU part will be faster. But you dont see anyone champion that, because we already know its rubbish. But for some reason some people got the notion that when its on AM1, then everything suddenly changes to the better. But it doesnt.

This. Celeron Haswell brings better CPU performance and similar iGPU performance for almost the same price as AM1 Kabini. Only downside is an extra 15-20W under load if you care a lot about power consumption, but those extra watts are going to bring overall superior performance, better upgrade options and a lot more headroom if you want to do some serious gaming in the future with a proper discrete GPU.

 

[cbn]

This. Celeron Haswell brings better CPU performance and similar iGPU performance for almost the same price as AM1 Kabini. Only downside is an extra 15-20W under load if you care a lot about power consumption, but those extra watts are going to bring overall superior performance, better upgrade options and a lot more headroom if you want to do some serious gaming in the future with a proper discrete GPU.

The sad thing is we have already seen Tom's recommend an overclocked G3258 over an overclocked Athlon x4 750K for modern gaming.

But I think in this scenario, the delta in performance between G1840 and Athlon 5350 is even larger (probably much larger) than that delta between OC G3258 and OC Athlon x4 750K.

For two processors with relatively similar size iGPUs, Haswell Celeron should be a land slide victory if the TDP differences are not an issue.

 

[AtenRa]

The budget and power constraints are unrealistic for this purpose (playing Lego games). Insisting on Mini-ITX only aggravates the situation (since the same build is more expensive if opting for Mini-ITX instead of mATX).

Can you build such a cheap PC, using 5350? Yes.

Will this 5350 based PC be adequate for it's intended purpose (Lego games)? No.

So my recommendations for OP is to either drop this build project, or change the budget and power requirements.

I believe his 7 year old son will not have any problem playing the LEGO game at 1024x768 with HIGH settings. No need for the OP to change the budget and the hardware specs because you or me want to play at 1080p high settings

 

[SPBHM]

Better in what ?? iGPU gaming ??? dont thing so. The dGPU i was talking about was against the G3258 + iGPU at the same price, not any other combination.

as I said, a lot better with low end graphics cards like the 240 or 250
the same or better with the IGP (and it's inevitable that he is going to have to add something faster than haswell hd graphics or the kabini IGP soon)

cost it the same or lower for the Celeron... I don't know why this discussion is still going when the answer is so obvious,

g3258 is irrelevant as a 5350 competitor because the g1820 can handle that at a lower price.

 

[cbn]

I don't know why this discussion is still going when the answer is so obvious.

I agree the answer is obvious.

With that acknowledged, I do wish there was more direct iGPU testing (at different resolutions) for these low end processors (Athlon 5350 vs. G1820, etc.)

 

[AtenRa]

Why do you think Athlon 5350 is a better choice than Haswell Celeron for iGPU gaming?

Best case scenario Athlon 5350 is tied with Celeron Haswell at higher resolutions in modern games (both will most likely be unplayable too). But drop resolution down to increase frame rate and the Celeron should do much better than the Athlon 5350 in many titles.

Thats not how things are working with those low end iGPUs. Can you provide a video of G1840 playing LEGO game at 1024x768 High settings having better performance than Athlon 5350 ??

 

[cbn]

Thats not how things are working with those low end iGPUs.

Why not?

If the resolution is lowered, then the GPU becomes less of a factor in determining frame rate.

G1840 is a stronger CPU. Therefore it follows frame rate would be higher at lower resolutions.

 

[cbn]

T Can you provide a video of G1840 playing LEGO game at 1024x768 High settings having better performance than Athlon 5350 ??

I don't.

But if I did have one, I'm sure we would see G1840 beat Athlon 5350 quite soundly.

P.S. Reduce settings to low on 1024 x 768 and the gap increases even more.

 

[AtenRa]

Why not?

If the resolution is lowered, then the GPU becomes less of a factor in determining frame rate.

G1840 is a stronger CPU. Therefore it follows frame rate would be higher at lower resolutions.

Nope, did you see the settings at 1024x768 ?? have a look at the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1M9QXHpXX8&feature=youtu.be

Haswell GT1 will chock with Full Settings and FSAA enable even at 1024x768. So just because you lower resolution doesnt mean the iGPU becomes less of a factor if you want to keep the highest image quality possible.

 

[AtenRa]

I don't.

But if I did have one, I'm sure we would see G1840 beat Athlon 5350 quite soundly.

P.S. Reduce settings to low on 1024 x 768 and the gap increases even more.

Im sure at 800x600 with Low settings the Celeron will be a lot faster

 

[cbn]

Nope, did you see the settings at 1024x768 ?? have a look at the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1M9QXHpXX8&feature=youtu.be

I didn't see FPS hit 30 even one time during gameplay in the entire video.

So the game is still non-playable because we can't even get a 30 FPS average.

Next step lower resolution and details settings more.

P.S. I also question how really demanding that scene is as well.

 

[cbn]

Im sure at 800x600 with Low settings the Celeron will be a lot faster

Based on the results of that video I saw I think that would be a good place to start (for both Athlon 5350 and Celeron G1840)

Then work upwards with both resolution and detail settings until it is noticed that the frame rate starts dropping off badly.

 

[Shivansps]

The problem is, if they have similar FPS it is because:
Celeron iGPU cant go any higher AND 5350 CPU cant go any faster

i just dont see how on earth reducing resolution could play any good for the 5350, the only scenario is: the iGPU is the bottleneck for both and the game does MT really well.

And it may be possible, the IGP on AM1 could be actually be worse than Intel Haswell, this whould be not a suprise to me, as a 1037U with ST mem is actually better on DX9 than a 2650 on 3dmark ice storm graphic score.