Athlon 5150 for Lego PC games

[ShintaiDK]

because everyone should sell all the things to buy intel extreme processors. face it dude atoms and kabini are at the good enough point for the majority of users.

The op is building a computer for a young son, im sure he wont mind not hitting the glorious #pcmasterrace 1080p60 mark.

No its not. You can get FM2+ and LGA1150 for the same price basicly thats much much better. So lets just drop the nonsese about how great AM1 is.

Its a garbage product.

 

[monstercameron]

No its not. You can get FM2+ and LGA1150 for the same price basicly thats much much better. So lets just drop the nonsese about how great AM1 is.

Its a garbage product.

well I just have to disagree and its useless to continue, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[AtenRa]

No its not. You can get FM2+ and LGA1150 for the same price basicly thats much much better.

We already established that Athlon 5350 + mini itx motherboard is $20 cheaper than the entry level Celeron G1840. Not only that but the Celeron will not give him more performance in games.

FM2+ is way better but it is also more expensive. So to finaly close the debate, the Athlon 5350 + mini itx is the way to go for the OPs needs and budget.

 

[ShintaiDK]

We already established that Athlon 5350 + mini itx motherboard is $20 cheaper than the entry level Celeron G1840. Not only that but the Celeron will not give him more performance in games.

FM2+ is way better but it is also more expensive. So to finaly close the debate, the Athlon 5350 + mini itx is the way to go for the OPs needs and budget.

Did we? Lets see. 5350 is 65$ on Newegg. G1840 is 47$.

Cheapest AM1 board is 31$, cheapest LGA1150 board is 40$.

That means using Newegg the AM1+5350 cost 96$ and the H81+G1840 cost 87$. Even less than your tigerdirect+MSI.

Again, why would anymore buy AM1 to punish themselves?

 

[AtenRa]

Did we? Lets see. 5350 is 65$ on Newegg. G1840 is 47$.

Cheapest AM1 board is 31$, cheapest LGA1150 board is 40$.

That means using Newegg the AM1+5350 cost 96$ and the H81+G1840 cost 87$. Even less than your tigerdirect+MSI.

Again, why would anymore buy AM1 to punish themselves?

Next time try and follow the thread. The OP needs a mini itx.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36710017&postcount=80

 

[Blue_Max]

We already established that Athlon 5350 + mini itx motherboard is $20 cheaper than the entry level Celeron G1840. Not only that but the Celeron will not give him more performance in games.

FM2+ is way better but it is also more expensive. So to finaly close the debate, the Athlon 5350 + mini itx is the way to go for the OPs needs and budget.

FM2 may cost a little more, but the graphic performance will far outclass the other two. Even the LEGO games (which I have several of here) need some graphic power to look half-decent.

 

[monkeydelmagico]

FM2 may cost a little more, but the graphic performance will far outclass the other two. Even the LEGO games (which I have several of here) need some graphic power to look half-decent.

Agreed, but the mITX boards for FM2 cost, at minimum, $80.- putting the OP's over his $110.- budget.

The G3258 and mobo fit within the budget and are clearly the superior choice.

 

[AtenRa]

Agreed, but the mITX boards for FM2 cost, at minimum, $80.- putting the OP's over his $110.- budget.

The G3258 and mobo fit within the budget and are clearly the superior choice.

No it doesn't

G3258 = $69,99 (newegg)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $129,98

or for the same price you get,

Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

+

XFX R7-240A-CLF2 2GB DDR-3 (low profile) = $39,99 AR

Total = $130,97

And you play the game like a champ at 720p with high video quality.

But both systems are $20 more expensive than the OP budget of $110.

 

[Madpacket]

I added an updated video on Marvel Super Heroes running at 1024x768 with max details.


http://youtu.be/e1M9QXHpXX8


The game runs smoother at these settings (although it was perfectly playable at 1280x800 already). And for the guy saying this wasn't a demanding area of the game, that's incorrect. I chose this area of the game as it drops the frames per second quite a bit compared to other areas with everything going on in the scene. With further tweaking it's easy to hit 30+ FPS with the Kabini 5350.

 

[Madpacket]

No it doesn't

G3258 = $69,99 (newegg)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $129,98

or for the same price you get,

Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

+

XFX R7-240A-CLF2 2GB DDR-3 (low profile) = $39,99 AR

Total = $130,97

And you play the game like a champ at 720p with high video quality.

But both systems are $20 more expensive than the OP budget of $110.

Nice. This is a good option if the integrated HD 8400 can't cut it for more demanding games. I like that you also get a free game with that video card.

 

[AtenRa]

I added an updated video on Marvel Super Heroes running at 1024x768 with max details.

The game runs smoother at these settings (although it was perfectly playable at 1280x800 already). And for the guy saying this wasn't a demanding area of the game, that's incorrect. I chose this area of the game as it drops the frames per second quite a bit compared to other areas with everything going on in the scene. With further tweaking it's easy to hit 30+ FPS with the Kabini 5350.

New Video: http://youtu.be/e1M9QXHpXX8

Nice one thx

Is the image quality better at 1024x768 with max settings than 1280x800 medium or low (dont remember what you had in the first video)??

edit :

Nice. This is probably the best option if the integrated HD 8400 can't cut it for newer more demanding games. I like that you also get a free game with that video card.

ahh yes i forgot about the free game, thats an added bonus

 

[Enigmoid]

No it doesn't

G3258 = $69,99 (newegg)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $129,98

or for the same price you get,

Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

+

XFX R7-240A-CLF2 2GB DDR-3 (low profile) = $39,99 AR

Total = $130,97

And you play the game like a champ at 720p with high video quality.

But both systems are $20 more expensive than the OP budget of $110.

Why are you willing to use tiger direct but not amazon.

G3258 -$59
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KPRWAZQ/?tag=pcpapi-20

 

[frozentundra123456]

No it doesn't

G3258 = $69,99 (newegg)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $59,99 (newegg)

total = $129,98

or for the same price you get,

Athlon 5350 = $56,99 (tigerdirect)
ASRock H81M-ITX = $33,99 (newegg)

+

XFX R7-240A-CLF2 2GB DDR-3 (low profile) = $39,99 AR

Total = $130,97

And you play the game like a champ at 720p with high video quality.

But both systems are $20 more expensive than the OP budget of $110.

Seriously, pairing a discrete gpu with the 5350? If you are going to add a 384 shader discrete gpu, it is absurd to use the anemic cpu of the 5350. To use you own examples, it would make much more sense if buying a dgpu to pair it with the 3258 for only 13.00 more.

But in any case, the goalposts seem to keep shifting desperately anytime an argument is made that the 5350 is not the best choice, so have at it guys, I am done with this thread, except to say one more time that I think FM2 is the best overall choice.

 

[AtenRa]

Why are you willing to use tiger direct but not amazon.

G3258 -$59
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KPRWAZQ/?tag=pcpapi-20

I used the one I had,

With Amazon prices the G3258 + mini itx is at $59,99 + $59,99 = $119,98

Again $10 over the $110 budget. The Athlon + XFX 240 for $10 is even better.

But once again, the OP asked if the game can be played with the AM1 CPUs. Madpacket already provided evidence that AM1 Athlon 5350 is capable of playing that game at up to 1280x800.

 

[Madpacket]

Is the image quality better at 1024x768 with max settings than 1280x800 medium or low (dont remember what you had in the first video)??

Yes the extra graphic features (Motion Blur, DOF, FXAA) make it look a little better at 1024x768. I didn't spend a lot of time but I'm pretty certain at 720P and a mix of settings would be a good place to aim for this game.

 

[AtenRa]

Seriously, pairing a discrete gpu with the 5350? If you are going to add a 384 shader discrete gpu, it is absurd to use the anemic cpu of the 5350. To use you own examples, it would make much more sense if buying a dgpu to pair it with the 3258 for only 13.00 more.

For the same price it will be way better to have the Athlon 5350 + R7 240 than Pentium G3258 + iGPU.
The Athlon + R7 240 will play every game at 720p and some at even 1080p when G3258 will not.

 

[ShintaiDK]

For the same price it will be way better to have the Athlon 5350 + R7 240 than Pentium G3258 + iGPU.
The Athlon + R7 240 will play every game at 720p and some at even 1080p when G3258 will not.

Whats the math that allows you to add a 50-60$ R7 240 "for the same price"?

Also the G3258 isnt even needed, there is a G1840

Plus you forget the massive CPU performance difference between a proper CPU and your nettop/netbook CPU that someone shoehorned into desktop usage. Because back in time performance is awesome.

Lets not forget what we are comparing here:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1223?vs=1265

 

[VirtualLarry]

I just wanted to throw this out there, but I was able to pick up a mATX FM2+ MSI A55 mobo for $28 at TD (it went as low as $25 shipped AC), and a A4-6300 FM2 APU at Newegg for $38.

If OP could re-think his requirement for mITX, I think he could have picked up an FM2/FM2+ solution (upgradable to future Kaveri quad-core), for as cheap as he is looking at AM1.

 

[AtenRa]

Whats the math that allows you to add a 50-60$ R7 240 "for the same price"?

You seem not to be able to follow the thread today :biggrin:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36711060&postcount=108

 

[ShintaiDK]

You seem not to be able to follow the thread today :biggrin:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36711060&postcount=108

I try avoid the manipulated numbers.

Why dont you use the amazon G3258 if you absolutely have to use it? And why dont you use a G1840 thats the much more obvious choice?

And there is no upgrade future for the AM1 platform is there. Add a discrete card and you already suffer even more from the terrible CPU performance it got. The CPU performance more or less resembles something we had 8-10 years ago.

Nobody is champion Atom builds for desktop either for the same reason. Its utterly rubbish with no future.

 

[SPBHM]

For the same price it will be way better to have the Athlon 5350 + R7 240 than Pentium G3258 + iGPU.
The Athlon + R7 240 will play every game at 720p and some at even 1080p when G3258 will not.

5350 is seriously slow for some games with a low end VGA, while the g1820 delivers much nicer performance for less or the same money

 

[AtenRa]

I try avoid the manipulated numbers.

Why dont you use the amazon G3258 if you absolutely have to use it? And why dont you use a G1840 thats the much more obvious choice?

And there is no upgrade future for the AM1 platform is there. Add a discrete card and you already suffer even more from the terrible CPU performance it got. The CPU performance more or less resembles something we had 8-10 years ago.

Nobody is champion Atom builds for desktop either for the same reason. Its utterly rubbish with no future.

Clearly you have to follow the rest of the conversation, i was responding to monkeydelmagico post.
As for the Amazon price, i have already covered that as well but again you haven't paid an attention.
And G1840 brings nothing to the table in iGPU gaming over the Athlon 5350. Not to mention you will have to use the horrible Intel GPU drivers and lack of Gaming optimization.

 

[Enigmoid]

I try avoid the manipulated numbers.

Why dont you use the amazon G3258 if you absolutely have to use it? And why dont you use a G1840 thats the much more obvious choice?

And there is no upgrade future for the AM1 platform is there. Add a discrete card and you already suffer even more from the terrible CPU performance it got. The CPU performance more or less resembles something we had 8-10 years ago.

Nobody is champion Atom builds for desktop either for the same reason. Its utterly rubbish with no future.

I agree, looking at the numbers on bench with a 770

Game: Avg/min fps

F1: 34/25
Infinite: 53/7
Tomb Raider: 46.2/26.5 (this is the benchmark and not in game the benchmark is much less demanding on the CPU)
Sleeping Dogs: 27/16
BF4: 35/22

The CPU has 'meh' written all over it. On a lot of games ~30 fps will be the norm with mins into the 20s. The pentium on the other hand is about 2x as powerful.

The 5350 is good for a low cost office PC or casual browsing. If you want games you are going to have to look elsewhere.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Clearly you have to follow the rest of the conversation, i was responding to monkeydelmagico post.
As for the Amazon price, i have already covered that as well but again you haven't paid an attention.
And G1840 brings nothing to the table in iGPU gaming over the Athlon 5350. Not to mention you will have to use the horrible Intel GPU drivers and lack of Gaming optimization.

But the G1840 is quite abit cheaper. So why dont you use that in your calculations? Also a price is a price.

If GPU performance is all that matters. Then we can start adding Atoms with dGPUs then? But it will be just as hopeless as the Kabini even tho the GPU part will be faster. But you dont see anyone champion that, because we already know its rubbish. But for some reason some people got the notion that when its on AM1, then everything suddenly changes to the better. But it doesnt.

 

[AtenRa]

5350 is seriously slow for some games with a low end VGA, while the g1820 delivers much nicer performance for less or the same money

You can also see that Athlon 5350 + R7 240 is better than Pentium G3258 + iGPU at almost the same price.

Or,

That Pentium G3258 + iGPU brings almost nothing over Athlon 5350 + iGPU in gaming even at 1080p. And i would rather have the Athlon and Radeon driver than Intels GPU drivers for gaming any time.