Athlon 3200+ vs. Athlon X2 6000+

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djnsmith7

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Howdy folks,

My brother & I are looking to upgrade his current system. He doesn't play PC games per se, but he does a lot of live broadcasting on JustinTv, where he uses console emulators. His system lags quite a bit with just about anything he does, especially with this program.

Current Specs:

Athlon 3200+
S939 Board
2 GB PC3200 RAM
X800 256 PCIe
Vista x32
520W OCZ PSU

Potential upgrades w/ a budget of ~$250 w/ Tax & S&H:

X2 6000+ ($80 @ NewEgg)
MSI K9A2 Platinum ($95 @ NewEgg - Open Box)
4 GB OCZ SLI DDR2-800 ($39 AR @ NewEgg)
8800GT (No Cost)
Vista x32
520W OCZ PSU

Total: $214 AR


I have a Zalman 9500 we can use to squeeze some more juice out of that 6000+. With my wishful thinking, I have a target of 3.5 Ghz. Will these upgrades eliminate his lag & how much of an upgrade would this be over his current system?

If there?s another CPU within a few bucks that will spank the 6000+, we?re open to explore that option.

Update: One of the MB requirements I didn't mention initially is that it needs to be an SLI board.
 
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djnsmith7

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I'm not too concerned about the power usage, but what I do care about is its overclockability. The 7750 is trailing by 300 Mhz, but has an HT advantage of 3600 vs 2000 on the 6000+.

Considering the 9500 isn't the best fan on the planet, how much further will the 7750 OC? Don't get me wrong, I'm all about saving $$$, but not if it sacrifices performance.
 
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That 6000+ will never hit 3.5 ghz, that is fact. Maybe 3.2 ghz is attainable with a lot of luck.

If you are so much into overclocking, then maybe an E5300 can satisfy you. It costs 85$. Or if you can get an E5200, which is cheaper. Take it to 3.8-4.0 ghz and the 6000+ is left breathless. Grab a Gigabyte P45 at 99$ and there you have your little overclocking marvel.

The 7750 is also a viable solution if you want to go with AMD. But I still see more overclocking potential in the intel solution.
 
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Since you're happy to overclock and you already have a decent aftermarket heatsink, that 6000+ is definitely the wrong cpu. The reason is that it hardly has any room to OC, since amd already squeezed it to its limit.

What error8 said is good.
 
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djnsmith7

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Originally posted by: error8
That 6000+ will never hit 3.5 ghz, that is fact. Maybe 3.2 ghz is attainable with a lot of luck.

If you are so much into overclocking, then maybe an E5300 can satisfy you. It costs 85$. Or if you can get an E5200, which is cheaper. Take it to 3.8-4.0 ghz and the 6000+ is left breathless. Grab a Gigabyte P45 at 99$ and there you have your little overclocking marvel.

The 7750 is also a viable solution if you want to go with AMD. But I still see more overclocking potential in the intel solution.
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I didn't realize the 6000+ was so limited on Overclockability. I would like to finally use the 9500, so I will look into the 7750.
 
Denithor

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Originally posted by: Quizard
the 7750 will OC a little more, uses less power, cost less so thats what he means.
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Wrong. The 7750 is nothing but an X2 Phenom I that sucks more power than the 6000 and runs hotter (95W TDP versus 65W for the 6000).

Follow error8's advice, go with an inexpensive Intel upgrade. Their chips run cooler, eat less power and do more work in the same cycles (faster at equal clockspeed than AMD chips).

Something like this:
e5200 (2.5GHz, 2MB cache) $73
Asus P5KPL $50
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR2-800 $45

That's cheaper by a wide margin ($168 shipped - no rebates - versus $214 after rebates) and will outperform the setup you were considering. The e5200 typically hits 3.2GHz with nothing but an fsb bump and can often do 3.6GHz if you're willing to boost the vcore slightly.

Two more things to consider: GPU & PSU. If your X800 isn't PCIe you need a new one. If your PSU has been in use since that S939 build was put together you probably want a new one also (they can go out as they age and are likely to take other parts along for the ride when they do). Here are the best values right now if you need these parts.

HIS ICEQ Turbo 4670 $70AR
Corsair 400CX $40AR
 
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When I had my 6000+, I could get it up to 3.6GHz with enough juice. I think it was just a good chip though.

If you can, the Phenom II X3 710 is a pretty decent overclocking chip from what I have seen.
 
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djnsmith7

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Specs updated & for reference, I built both systems in my rig from scratch, not to confuse anyone into thinking I don't know what I'm doing...I created this thread to ask for suggestions, of which many good suggestions have been made.
 
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dguy6789

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Originally posted by: Denithor
Originally posted by: Quizard
the 7750 will OC a little more, uses less power, cost less so thats what he means.
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Wrong. The 7750 is nothing but an X2 Phenom I that sucks more power than the 6000 and runs hotter (95W TDP versus 65W for the 6000).

Follow error8's advice, go with an inexpensive Intel upgrade. Their chips run cooler, eat less power and do more work in the same cycles (faster at equal clockspeed than AMD chips).

Something like this:
e5200 (2.5GHz, 2MB cache) $73
Asus P5KPL $50
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR2-800 $45

That's cheaper by a wide margin ($168 shipped - no rebates - versus $214 after rebates) and will outperform the setup you were considering. The e5200 typically hits 3.2GHz with nothing but an fsb bump and can often do 3.6GHz if you're willing to boost the vcore slightly.

Two more things to consider: GPU & PSU. If your X800 isn't PCIe you need a new one. If your PSU has been in use since that S939 build was put together you probably want a new one also (they can go out as they age and are likely to take other parts along for the ride when they do). Here are the best values right now if you need these parts.

HIS ICEQ Turbo 4670 $70AR
Corsair 400CX $40AR
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I agree with this advice.
 
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E5200 + P43 motherboard + 4GB of DDR2-800. Much less of a disappointment compared to a 7750BE IMO.
 
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ther00kie16

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Originally posted by: djnsmith7
Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Maybe try this
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That's not enough of an increase in performance.
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But you can overclock that to x2 5400 speeds and it would be the least cost for you since you won't have to replace anything else.
 
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djnsmith7

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Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Originally posted by: djnsmith7
Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Maybe try this
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That's not enough of an increase in performance.
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But you can overclock that to x2 5400 speeds and it would be the least cost for you since you won't have to replace anything else.
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I don't mind spending the $250...That 5400 won't give me the performance increase we need.
 
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Originally posted by: djnsmith7
Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Originally posted by: djnsmith7
Originally posted by: ther00kie16
Maybe try this
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That's not enough of an increase in performance.
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But you can overclock that to x2 5400 speeds and it would be the least cost for you since you won't have to replace anything else.
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I don't mind spending the $250...That 5400 won't give me the performance increase we need.
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i was able to take my old 6400+ to 3.5, never played with a 6000+ but most will reach 3.3 mhz. A 7750 should get 3.4 or 3.5 on a good board with ease. They also have a higher IPC than the 6000+. Since you don't care about power consumption go with that cpu.

You can always try Intel, they have many budget cpus that oc like crazy.
 
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octopus41092

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X2 6000+ will not hit 3.5GHz with that cooler. I upgraded a couple years back from a 2800+ to the X2 6000+ and it was definitely much faster. However, if you want to upgrade now, go with the 7750. It is much better for the price, faster, lower power consumption, more overclockability.
 
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hans007

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Originally posted by: error8
That 6000+ will never hit 3.5 ghz, that is fact. Maybe 3.2 ghz is attainable with a lot of luck.

If you are so much into overclocking, then maybe an E5300 can satisfy you. It costs 85$. Or if you can get an E5200, which is cheaper. Take it to 3.8-4.0 ghz and the 6000+ is left breathless. Grab a Gigabyte P45 at 99$ and there you have your little overclocking marvel.

The 7750 is also a viable solution if you want to go with AMD. But I still see more overclocking potential in the intel solution.
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the 6000+ brisbane already runs at 3.1 GHz. i think you could probably get over 3.2ghz with no luck at all.
 
AstroManLuca

AstroManLuca

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Originally posted by: hans007
Originally posted by: error8
That 6000+ will never hit 3.5 ghz, that is fact. Maybe 3.2 ghz is attainable with a lot of luck.

If you are so much into overclocking, then maybe an E5300 can satisfy you. It costs 85$. Or if you can get an E5200, which is cheaper. Take it to 3.8-4.0 ghz and the 6000+ is left breathless. Grab a Gigabyte P45 at 99$ and there you have your little overclocking marvel.

The 7750 is also a viable solution if you want to go with AMD. But I still see more overclocking potential in the intel solution.
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the 6000+ brisbane already runs at 3.1 GHz. i think you could probably get over 3.2ghz with no luck at all.
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I wouldn't be so sure. Brisbanes have trouble getting much beyond 3.1 GHz. A 6000+ might be able to go to 3.2, maybe 3.3 GHz at most, but I doubt it'd hit 3.5 GHz. AMD really milked the old X2s - unlike Core 2 Duos, where even the high-end ones have a tall OC ceiling, X2s hit a wall before 3.5 GHz.
 
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