Athlon 200GE - the ultimate great place-holder CPU?

[Abwx]

But i did get some weird results, for example a I5-7400 petty much destroys the 200GE in power numbers in every way. And that was a result i was not expecting.
First i trought i was doing something wrong, then i took a look at this:

The 7400 seems to be very power efficient.

54W at idle ..? LOL..

 

[VirtualLarry]

Considering that my friend's rig, with an MSI B350 ATX board, EVGA G1+ 750W Gold PSU, and a 2200G, and a single stick of DDR4-2667, says it's only taking 10W for Package Power in HWMonitor (he doesn't own a Kill-A-Watt), honestly, 54W for less cores, sounds just a little high to me.

 

[DrMrLordX]

CPU package power doesn't tell the whole story. You're looking for CPU+SoC power for a standard Ryzen product. Not sure if that encompasses iGPU power consumption on a Raven Ridge. But it should get you power for the CPU, IMC, and I/O functions.

For what it's worth, my 1800x at a fixed clockspeed of 4 GHz seems to average 62W CPU+SoC power while poking around on the desktop (not really idle, but barely doing anything intensive).

 

[Shivansps]

54W at idle ..? LOL..

They are using a dgpu, the load numbers are also too high for both the 200GE and the 7400 on that review. But i got similar results, the 7400 better than the 200GE whiout using dgpus.

Ill have to admit it is kinda strange and unexpected, but the I5-7400 seems to be too power efficient even compared to other Intel CPUs. (8th gen cpus are trash compared to it as well).

Im not sure why because the 200GE is really running at low clocks at stock, i expected Ryzen to do much better than this, ill need to check if it can be improved.

 

[hojnikb]

200ge can sux more than 50W fully loaded. Combine that with other peripherals and efficiency drop from psu and 84w is possible.

 

[Asterox]

 

[Shivansps]

200ge can sux more than 50W fully loaded. Combine that with other peripherals and efficiency drop from psu and 84w is possible.

The max ive meassured is 75W and thats with a really poor PSU, the problem is the I5-7400 uses up to 60W under the same conditions :/, they are using the dgpus on the tests thats why it gets too high on both of them.

 

[CenturionIX]

So since the 200ge is the talk of this thread, does anyone think this is a small upgrade over a fx6100 in terms of gaming?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I would guess yes. It would probably be a good idea to OC your 200GE, which is apparently possible. Con core chips are notoriously bad for gaming though. Er well, by modern standards.

 

[Abwx]

Seems that Athlon 220GE/240GE are also 2C/4T, at 3.4/3.5GHz frequencies, same GPU as the 200GE and at 65/75$ retail price.

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-12/amd-marktstart-athlon-220ge-240ge/

 

[moinmoin]

Seems that Athlon 220GE/240GE are also 2C/4T, at 3.4/3.5GHz frequencies, same GPU as the 200GE and at 65/75$ retail price.

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-12/amd-marktstart-athlon-220ge-240ge/

And I thought 200GE already was a (relatively) bad deal. 220GE gets you 6% more Hz for 18% more $, 240GE 9% for 36%. No, just no. Only an unlocked 200GE is worth any consideration over a 2200G.

 

[Abwx]

And I thought 200GE already was a (relatively) bad deal. 220GE gets you 6% more Hz for 18% more $, 240GE 9% for 36%. No, just no. Only an unlocked 200GE is worth any consideration over a 2200G.

CPU wise, and using CB as metric, a 2200G is 55% faster than a 200GE but cost 80% more, so the 200GE has actually better perf/$ ratio, even the 220GE is still quite competitive while the 240GE is comparatively "overpriced" by a mere 7-8$...

 

[moinmoin]

CPU wise, and using CB as metric, a 2200G is 55% faster than a 200GE but cost 80% more, so the 200GE has actually better perf/$ ratio, even the 220GE is still quite competitive while the 240GE is comparatively "overpriced" by a mere 7-8$...

That's only the CPU though. Including the GPU it gets ridiculous, and CPU only you can get older Ryzen 1xxx where the perf/$ ratio is better.

 

[Abwx]

That's only the CPU though. Including the GPU it gets ridiculous, and CPU only you can get older Ryzen 1xxx where the perf/$ ratio is better.

2200G is 88% faster GPU wise but "only" 62% faster CPU wise, at 80% higher price, whatever the angle you re looking at it the 200/220GE are competitive in respect of the 2200G, after all that s for rock bottom priced set ups where ever $ count, personaly if i were to mount a basic PC i would pick an Athlon unless 2400GE 35W 4C/8T are made available.

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-09/amd-athlon-200ge-test/2/#diagramm-leistungsrating-anwendungen

 

[Shivansps]

220 and 240GE what a useless junk, they did not even bothered in increasing GPU clock.

 

[moinmoin]

Don't forgot that 2200G is officially overclockable for both the CPU and GPU while for 200GE this may turn out to be a short lived feature of some boards and AGESA versions.

 

[Shivansps]

CPU OC is not that important, the 200GE main problem comes from his very small IGP that is causing it to perform worse than an A6-9500 in a few cases.
And they are not even increasing IGP clock on the new Athlon, those are just DOA products, they are really afraid of an Athlon with faster IGP taking too much 2200G market.

200GE CPU overclocking is out there, even if they block it in the future.

 

[whm1974]

Don't forgot that 2200G is officially overclockable for both the CPU and GPU while for 200GE this may turn out to be a short lived feature of some boards and AGESA versions.

The 200GE is only useful for AMD to get rid of defected dies that would be otherwise wasted and that are only really useful for OEMs and for those on a really tight budget. That is assume that there are suitable really budget motherboards available for the latter or this CPU would be pointless.

If you stop to think about it, this APU really has very limited value for 2019.

 

[cbn]

220GE and 240GE still have 3 CPUs for iGPU:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1374...hlon-240ge-with-radeon-vega-graphics-launched

(I think this trend of small iGPU on 2C/4T will continue as long as 4C/4T 8CU and 4C/8T 11 CPU processors remain important for AMD on desktop.)

 

[Insert_Nickname]

CPU OC is not that important, the 200GE main problem comes from his very small IGP that is causing it to perform worse than an A6-9500 in a few cases.
And they are not even increasing IGP clock on the new Athlon, those are just DOA products, they are really afraid of an Athlon with faster IGP taking too much 2200G market.

200GE CPU overclocking is out there, even if they block it in the future.

I see your point. But I'd still point out the 192SP Vega3 is more then good enough for anything non-gaming. The fact you -can- game on it is more of a bonus feature. Plenty of people play games on Intel IGPs, and seem not to mind too much. The Vega3 is plenty competitive if you look at it from that perspective.

It's all AMD needs to be competitive in the real budget segment. If anyone -needs- more performance, there is the 2200G with the unbeatable value.

 

[Shivansps]

I see your point. But I'd still point out the 192SP Vega3 is more then good enough for anything non-gaming. The fact you -can- game on it is more of a bonus feature. Plenty of people play games on Intel IGPs, and seem not to mind too much. The Vega3 is plenty competitive if you look at it from that perspective.

It's all AMD needs to be competitive in the real budget segment. If anyone -needs- more performance, there is the 2200G with the unbeatable value.

The point was the Athlon 200GE needed more IGP power, not 300mhz more. This makes the 220 and 240GE just pointless.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This makes the 220 and 240GE just pointless.

Not entirely. It allows OEMs (of business desktops) to show "performance+1 notch" on their later OEM desktops. PHBs love this stuff (and don't "do" overclocking).

 

[whm1974]

Not entirely. It allows OEMs (of business desktops) to show "performance+1 notch" on their later OEM desktops. PHBs love this stuff (and don't "do" overclocking).

For OEMs building cheap computers, then yes these type of APUs are not pointless. They are also not pointless for those who need a 35W TDP APU. But they have limited value for 2019 otherwise.

 

[Shivansps]

What OEMs need is not what users need..

A Vega 6 - 2C/4T APU would had taken the entire esport market away from the 2200G and that was too much it seens.

 

[amd6502]

Not entirely. It allows OEMs (of business desktops) to show "performance+1 notch" on their later OEM desktops. PHBs love this stuff (and don't "do" overclocking).

Like putting "11" on a volume dial you'd expect to top out at "10".

That was the only reason I could come with for having an SKU with 100mhz difference (220ge vs 240ge)----it's a pure marketing gimmick for OEMs, hinting that 240ge is destined mostly for OEMs. A 3% (100mhz) difference isn't even perceivable, so what a lousy marketing tacting; I think it sucks when marketing guys get their way.

Unless either 240 or 220 come from different dies. But there seems to be no hint that these parts are anything but original Zen 1.0 (RR).