(A 4C/4T Zen, at a lower clock speed, can match an 8-core FX running at 4Ghz, in MT performance.)
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What mainboard and BIOS revision is not working with the Athlon 200GE?
VGA con am4 is provided by a d/a converter, for compatibility. Athlons probably lacks one digital outputThat's interesting. I knew that for Raven Ridge, the VGA was disabled, and maybe the DVI-D. (HDMI and DP were enabled, if present.) Maybe the same thing applies to the Athlon 200GE? Most boards don't have DP, so that means that the only active output would be the HDMI.
Asrock AB350M Pro4. Revision 1.0, BIOS v5.00. Even though it has official support. It sort of works, just not reliably.
Could also be memory related, but the DIMMs in question work fine with the original Ryzen CPU.
That's interesting. I knew that for Raven Ridge, the VGA was disabled, and maybe the DVI-D. (HDMI and DP were enabled, if present.) Maybe the same thing applies to the Athlon 200GE? Most boards don't have DP, so that means that the only active output would be the HDMI.
That mobo has dvi, vga and HDMI. Only dvi is disabled when using the 200GE.
For me this seems so weird but yeah, clearly something is missing on that chip. It's just weird since it's yet another small detail where the chip can fit the motherboard but then some things don't work. It's a cheap CPU but not sure if it's worth the confusion
Which is why I still recommend Intel for basic boxes. The platform is mature and stable. You don't need to think if a Pentium or i3 will work or be wonky in a B360 mobo.
What is wrong with just works?Ah yes, the "it just works" mentality strikes again.
I had something similar happen. I've got an AB350M Pro4, that was running an R5 1600 OK, but will NOT run a 2200G at all stably, even with every new BIOS version. (Ok, I see 5.00 came out, I was using 4.90.)
That mobo has dvi, vga and HDMI. Only dvi is disabled when using the 200GE.
For me this seems so weird but yeah, clearly something is missing on that chip. It's just weird since it's yet another small detail where the chip can fit the motherboard but then some things don't work. It's a cheap CPU but not sure if it's worth the confusion
What is wrong with just works?
It cements the status quo. Which is fine for casuals and when there are no more noteworthy developments or disadvantages. But if even people who should know better fall back to that and thus impede improvement they themselves are waiting for that's just shortsighted.What is wrong with just works?
Dude, we can have "it just works" and still have improvements over time.It cements the status quo. Which is fine for casuals and when there are no more noteworthy developments or disadvantages. But if even people who should know better fall back to that and thus impede improvement they themselves are waiting for that's just shortsighted.
Dude, I was talking about the competitive landscape. "Just works" in many cases is an excuse to not try something "scary" new thus slowing down or even completely preventing adoption of alternatives. Windows OS monopoly prevented the adoption of other OSes. Android prevented the rise of other free mobile OSes. etc. pp.Dude, we can have "it just works" and still have improvements over time.
Considering that other OSes can be and are quite different then Windows in the work flow and applications that those considering switching will have to learn all over again. Also some are so deep in the Monopoly OS that moving over to other ones will be painful and difficult for them.Dude, I was talking about the competitive landscape. "Just works" in many cases is an excuse to not try something "scary" new thus slowing down or even completely preventing adoption of alternatives. Windows OS monopoly prevented the adoption of other OSes. Android prevented the rise of other free mobile OSes. etc. pp.
That's good news because this chip will be on many A320 boards. I saw 200GE was (finally) listed yesterday at my local e-tailer but its pricing is quite close to the used Ryzen 1200.I'm happy to report it's working perfectly in the A320M-K. No weird glitches or other funny business. Performance is within margin of error compared to the B350M Pro4, so everything is still valid.
Dude, I was talking about the competitive landscape. "Just works" in many cases is an excuse to not try something "scary" new thus slowing down or even completely preventing adoption of alternatives. Windows OS monopoly prevented the adoption of other OSes. Android prevented the rise of other free mobile OSes. etc. pp.
Even as a (current) AMD "fan" (though not as far as a "fanboy", still buy / build Intel from time-to-time), I have to admit that this is true.Sure Intel has lots of problems but their stuff works.
They are polishing the same architecture since forever. So, shouldn't it be obvious?Even as a (current) AMD "fan" (though not as far as a "fanboy", still buy / build Intel from time-to-time), I have to admit that this is true.
Intel is simply a bigger company, with a bigger (not for long, HEHE, *cough* shortage) market-share, and they spend quite a bit of revenue on platform compatibility testing. It really seems un-matched in the industry. The mobo makers deserve some credit here too. For the last 10 years, they've (mostly) had a really good quality-of-implementation standard, but some of that (most?) comes as circuits from Intel.
From this article from Phoronix the Athlon 200GE performs in Linux quite well being a 35W APU.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-athlon-200ge&num=1
Of course I'll stick with what I said earlier that this APU is really only good for those on a tight budget or need something with a low TDP.
Not a big leap if you follow the conversation and know that I specifically wrote "But if even people who should know better fall back to that (i.e. 'just work') and thus impede improvement they themselves are waiting for that's just shortsighted." It's natural that solutions that are widespread and many people know about and used to are usually better supported, more polished and easier to find help for.Big leap there. Some will always use just works and some will always tinker and seek out alternatives. If I was to build another office box for myself right now it would have an i3 at the least. I don't need to think about BIOS updates, twitchy RAM, QVL lists or any odd glitches. Sure Intel has lots of problems but their stuff works.