Athlon 200GE - the ultimate great place-holder CPU?

[Insert_Nickname]

I will say this, that if the 200GE were unlocked, and overclockable in a B350 or better mobo, then it would become "the people's chip" (cheap and usable, like a VW, NOT like "The People's Republic (of China)".) It would be an internet sensation, talked about in ever tech YouTube channel. It would have memes created about it. It would be like the second coming of the G4560, the unlocked version that we never had (AMD style!).

I've ordered one, so I'll give it a trial run in a B350 (AB350M Pro4) board and see if at least the IGP can be overclocked...

 

[Shivansps]

Still does not make any sence to me to AMD to lock these things, the 2200G is just better, there is no enoght OC you can make to a 200GE to make up for that.

There are 2 scenarios that may happen here:

1) Either the 220 and 240GE are both 2C/4T Vega 3 with just freq. increase.

2) There is a coming 4C Athlon, so they just decided to lock all Athlons.

 

[whm1974]

Still does not make any sence to me to AMD to lock these things, the 2200G is just better, there is no enoght OC you can make to a 200GE to make up for that.

There are 2 scenarios that may happen here:

1) Either the 220 and 240GE are both 2C/4T Vega 3 with just freq. increase.

2) There is a coming 4C Athlon, so they just decided to lock all Athlons.

The only way I would buy the 200GE along with a cheap motherboard is if I needed something cheap or needed something with a low TDP. Other then that I can't see myself going below a 2200G or an i3-8100.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

The only way I would buy the 200GE along with a cheap motherboard is if I needed something cheap or needed something with a low TDP. Other then that I can't see myself going below a 2200G or an i3-8100.

This exactly. Your points are not mutually exclusive though.

The Athlon is the ultimate AMD low-power HTPC chip. If it does 4K netflix, so much the better.

 

[whm1974]

This exactly. Your points are not mutually exclusive though.

The Athlon is the ultimate AMD low-power HTPC chip. If it does 4K netflix, so much the better.

That is a good point you brought up.

 

[PeterScott]

What do you all think about the possibility of using the 200GE, not as a mini-ITX browser-box / terminal / business box (for which it WOULD be great, assuming that low-cost ITX mobos materialize in the next few months), but as a place-holder, with a really nice full-size ATX mobo, probably a B450 or even X470, with the intent of dropping in a 2600(X) or 2700(X) in six to twelve months down the road, when they will be cheaper?

So you want a 6 o 8 core CPU, but to save a ~$40, you will suffer with a locked dual core for up to a year?

This doesn't seem like brilliant plan.

 

[Shivansps]

The only way I would buy the 200GE along with a cheap motherboard is if I needed something cheap or needed something with a low TDP. Other then that I can't see myself going below a 2200G or an i3-8100.

Remember that the world does not end in the US... here por example the prices are not the same in dollars, then you need to convert it to the local money... so that $50 gap you see there may be equivalent $90 or $100 somewere else. Needless to say that jumping to B350 is not $5 like it is on newegg.

On top of that, if you want office pcs and you are buying, 10, 20, 40 of them, it is a big difference. That was the reason for example why the A4-7300/A4-6300 is still popular as office pcs here, still i have no idea from were they are coming from, they should be out of production for years now.

Anyway, the 200GE is good but i cant bash AMD for not providing OC, as they never allowed unlocked OC at the lower end, except for specific models. To me the worse is that they took away A320 IGP OC and no one cares about it.

And to be honest, most people dosent need anything more than what the 200GE alone OR 200GE+GTX1050 provides, thats why the G4560 was such a success.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Remember that the world does not end in the US... here por example the prices are not the same in dollars, then you need to convert it to the local money... so that $50 gap you see there may be equivalent $90 or $100 somewere else. Needless to say that jumping to B350 is not $5 like it is on newegg.

A lot of developing countries' currency are falling this year and even the pricegap between 2200g and 2400g looks wider than it used to be.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Needless to say that jumping to B350 is not $5 like it is on newegg.

I don't know were you're located, but here we have the weird situation that certain supposedly low-end A320 board are actually more expensive then midrange B350's.

On top of that, if you want office pcs and you are buying, 10, 20, 40 of them, it is a big difference.

Certainly. $45 x10 is a lot of money. But then you'll be competing against the Dell/HP/Lenovo's of the world. As an IHW that is a very hard fight to win.

I hope that didn't come across too strongly.

Anyway, the 200GE is good but i cant bash AMD for not providing OC, as they never allowed unlocked OC at the lower end, except for specific models. To me the worse is that they took away A320 IGP OC and no one cares about it.

I'm not entirely sure I follow. The A320 will be paired with exactly this kind of CPU (200GE, 9500, 9600 etc.). I can see the point of overclocking the higher-end APU's, but overclocking a 3CU Vega3 is not going to push framerates from unplayable to playable.

I'd think that's why they nixed it.

That's said, the Vega3's performance is seriously impressive for what it is. I actually think it'll be faster then the HD8670 on my old 6800K. With half the CU's. Which is quite the achievement, if the case.

 

[whm1974]

Remember that the world does not end in the US... here por example the prices are not the same in dollars, then you need to convert it to the local money... so that $50 gap you see there may be equivalent $90 or $100 somewere else. Needless to say that jumping to B350 is not $5 like it is on newegg.

On top of that, if you want office pcs and you are buying, 10, 20, 40 of them, it is a big difference. That was the reason for example why the A4-7300/A4-6300 is still popular as office pcs here, still i have no idea from were they are coming from, they should be out of production for years now.

Anyway, the 200GE is good but i cant bash AMD for not providing OC, as they never allowed unlocked OC at the lower end, except for specific models. To me the worse is that they took away A320 IGP OC and no one cares about it.

And to be honest, most people dosent need anything more than what the 200GE alone OR 200GE+GTX1050 provides, thats why the G4560 was such a success.

OK that is a really point that you have brought up about the rest of the world as I keep forgetting that outside the US, prices are not as low as they are here. Thanks you for reminding me.

 

[Shivansps]

I'm not entirely sure I follow. The A320 will be paired with exactly this kind of CPU (200GE, 9500, 9600 etc.). I can see the point of overclocking the higher-end APU's, but overclocking a 3CU Vega3 is not going to push framerates from unplayable to playable.

I'd think that's why they nixed it.

That's said, the Vega3's performance is seriously impressive for what it is. I actually think it'll be faster then the HD8670 on my old 6800K. With half the CU's. Which is quite the achievement, if the case.

Actually, thanks to how turbo/xfr works on Ryzen 2000, you can petty much put an 2400G on an A320 and it will still run at such high clocks that you dont need to OC at all, the R7 2700 on an A320 runs at higher clocks than i could ever archive by ocing my R7 1700 on a B350... IGP OC, 4 ram slot and 6 satas are petty much what B350 gives you, and that is not on all models.

AMD knows this, if we could IGP oc an 2200G or 2400G on A320 there would be no reason for even thinking about B350, thats why they blocked it, the 200GE is just another victim (i think it was possible to IGP OC an BR on AM4 launch bios, but im not sure), what im sure is that it was possible on all other old sockets to IGP oc, as long as bios supported it.

 

[Zibi]

Athlon 200GE - in my opinion the CPU clock (3,2 GHz) is too low. Pentium G4560 have 3,5 GHz clock and slighty better IPC thanks to Skylake/Kaby Lake achitecture. I'm think the Athlon 200GE should have a better CPU clock, e.g 3,6 GHz.

AMD - give us soon faster Athlons, 220GE (3,4 GHz), 240GE (3,6 GHz), 250GE (3,7 GHz) - 60, 65, 69 USD.

Similarly Ryzen 2200G and Ryzen 2400G needs a refresh witch 200-300 MHz faster clock's (revised Raven Ridge 2018 - 12nm and Zen+).

 

[Shivansps]

200GE has no turbo or XFR right?

 

[Abwx]

Athlon 200GE - in my opinion the CPU clock (3,2 GHz) is too low. Pentium G4560 have 3,5 GHz clock and slighty better IPC thanks to Skylake/Kaby Lake achitecture..

In that case this slightly better IPC and 10% higher frequency is just enough to edge out the Athlon by 5% in Cinebench, so i dont see how it could be too lowly clocked, FTR there s 2MB L3 per core, wich is double what is in regular Raven Ridges, and this should give this chip a better perf/clock than the bigger brothers (at equal RAM speed).

 

[Zibi]

This CPU have ~130 pts in Cinebench R15 single core test, and ~360 pts in Cinebench R15 multi core test. This is only Phenom II X4 class multi core performance.

Pentium G4560 have ~150/380 pts, and cinebench falls quite well on AMD processors. This Athlon need minimum 3,6 GHz (~ 145/400 pts CB R15) to be able to compete with Pentium G4560 in overall CPU performance.

The 3,2 GHz clock is too low

 

[Abwx]

This Athlon need minimum 3,6 GHz (~ 145/400 pts CB R15) to be able to compete with Pentium G4560 in overall CPU performance.

The 3,2 GHz clock is too low

So overall mean ST if i m to understand, overall it s enough to compete with a chip whose ISA is not as complete, see by yourself :

https://www.techspot.com/review/1698-amd-athlon-200ge/

If the pentium was that fast it would be first in eveything, but it s good only in Corona since this renderer use Intel s Embree as engine, FTR 7Zip is indicative of actual Integer code perfs according to AT s Joan Gelas...

Edit : One more thing to consider, curious to se the power numbers, and efficency, with a A320 :

 

[Shivansps]

The 200GE goes against Celerons not Pentiums at that price range. 220GE should be more in the G4560/G5400 range.

 

[Jan Olšan]

The power consumption graph tells you why the Athlon 200GE has that low frequency it has.

It's a 35W part ("GE", not "G") unlike the vanilla Pentiums it's being compared to. Check the clock of Pentium G5400T or G5500T (35W parts). It's 3.1 and 3.2 GHz.

 

[Asterox]

This CPU have ~130 pts in Cinebench R15 single core test, and ~360 pts in Cinebench R15 multi core test. This is only Phenom II X4 class multi core performance.

Pentium G4560 have ~150/380 pts, and cinebench falls quite well on AMD processors. This Athlon need minimum 3,6 GHz (~ 145/400 pts CB R15) to be able to compete with Pentium G4560 in overall CPU performance.

The 3,2 GHz clock is too low

In Cinebench R15, no it is not as you can see.

CPU clock is not to low, or it is expected for 35W TDP APU.

Only problem is when you have CPU that cost to much money+high power consumption+low IPC.

 

[escrow4]

Don't see the point. Buy a 2200G or i3 8100 instead. A 200GE is a false economy. Saving a bit more gets you a substantially better platform.

 

[Asterox]

Don't see the point. Buy a 2200G or i3 8100 instead. A 200GE is a false economy. Saving a bit more gets you a substantially better platform.

Tell that to the people who have very low budget, but again wants a very good cheep Desktop PC.

Even today, old CPU like Phenom II X4(+GPU acceleration in browser) is more then enough(kill ads with browser addon uBlock Origin) for web browsing etc.

45$ jump on R3 2200G is big gap, for that price you can buy good 120GB SSD.I dont understand your Beverly Hills economy at all, or that kind point of view in today world.

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-SSDNow-SUV400S37-120G/dp/B01FJ4UN76

 

[whm1974]

Tell that to the people who have very low budget, but again wants a very good cheep Desktop PC.

Even today, old CPU like Phenom II X4(+GPU acceleration in browser) is more then enough(kill ads with browser addon uBlock Origin) for web browsing etc.

45$ jump on R3 2200G is big gap, for that price you can buy good 120GB SSD.I dont understand your Beverly Hills economy at all, or that kind point of view in today world.

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-SSDNow-SUV400S37-120G/dp/B01FJ4UN76

While you do have a valid point there, I do agree with escrow4 about this being false economy and with saving a bit more the end user will get a better platform.

 

[LTC8K6]

In Cinebench R15, no it is not as you can see.

CPU clock is not to low, or it is expected for 35W TDP APU.

Only problem is when you have CPU that cost to much money+high power consumption+low IPC.

That chart is a bit old though, For example, I3-8100 is the same price as the 6100, but has way more performance. The 8100 would be well in the lead on that chart with a score of ~560.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

While you do have a valid point there, I do agree with escrow4 about this being false economy and with saving a bit more the end user will get a better platform.

False economy? Perhaps. But that assumes you actually have the cash (or credit) available for something better*. I'm not going to be drawn into a lengthy debate on the subject, but still...

If you look at it from the other side, the choice is between a system and no system at all, then an APU like the Athlon has merit. It's the whole reason these low-end CPUs exists in the first place. Also, the Athlon, compared to something Atom-based, is a complete no-brainer.

*At least in my part of the world, there are plenty of people who prefer cheap-and-cheerful NOW, rather then saving for something better. Then there are those simply unwilling to spend anything at all, or as little as humanly possible. Then put up with years of poor performance, because, hey, it was as cheap as possible...

 

[whm1974]

False economy? Perhaps. But that assumes you actually have the cash (or credit) available for something better*. I'm not going to be drawn into a lengthy debate on the subject, but still...

If you look at it from the other side, the choice is between a system and no system at all, then an APU like the Athlon has merit. It's the whole reason these low-end CPUs exists in the first place. Also, the Athlon, compared to something Atom-based, is a complete no-brainer.

*At least in my part of the world, there are plenty of people who prefer cheap-and-cheerful NOW, rather then saving for something better. Then there are those simply unwilling to spend anything at all, or as little as humanly possible. Then put up with years of poor performance, because, hey, it was as cheap as possible...

I can see those who can only afford to buy low end doing this and I have been there myself. However aside from folks who have to make do, it is false economy for almost everyone else who have better means. How much is your time worth?