HomeBrewerDude
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- Jan 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Nik
Every little bit helps.
1) No, it constitutes the government contracting out for rehabilitation help.
2) The Christian Right doesn't have 100% agreement on every issue from it's constituants (sp?). I'm all for stem cell research. "Family Planning" is just another way to say abortion, in the liberal's eye. Family Planning, to me, means not making a family until you're fvcking responsible enough for one.
I would add that family planning also includes sex ed, birth control, and counsling as pro-active methods, and abortion as last ditch methods.
If the government wants to give money to abortionists, it's their money not mine. If I don't like it, I write my state government trying to change the law and vote accordingly.
No, it means that if you have a choice of where to get counceling, and you hate christianity for whatever irrational reason, you don't go somewhere that incorporates religion into rehabilitation. It also means that if you're a complete fvckoff and do something stupid enough to land you in jail, you shouldn't have a choice. I freaking hate criminals.
nakedfrog
No Lifer
- Apr 3, 2001
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Whereas you are reduced to taking any action necessary to avoid answering the question. If it's a christian group, it should be sponsored by a (tax-exempt, mind you) christian church and not the government. Once they're willing to accept volunteers of any faith (including atheists) then they're welcome to the federal aid.
As far as I can tell, these are at-risk kids and not yet criminals. They don't need christianity, they just need a mentor. The mentor could be hindu, atheist, or agnostic and do just as much good. Christians don't have the market cornered on morals; one does not have to believe in Jesus to teach that you don't take other people's stuff.
Religion needs to be kept separate from sanything governmental.
Humanity should have learned that by now.
Humanity should have learned that by now.
I don't know much about this issue, but does federal fund only goes to religious organization?
If the answer is no then stop nitpicking. Can't you see that the organization did a lot of good (based on the article)? I'm sure there are non-religious organizations that do a lot of good that are federally funded too. So the federal funds are actually distributed. You can't really choose for yourself which one do you want your tax money goes to. Do you rather sue this mentoring program so they can stop helping kids that are in trouble?
If the answer is no then stop nitpicking. Can't you see that the organization did a lot of good (based on the article)? I'm sure there are non-religious organizations that do a lot of good that are federally funded too. So the federal funds are actually distributed. You can't really choose for yourself which one do you want your tax money goes to. Do you rather sue this mentoring program so they can stop helping kids that are in trouble?
If you don't think you need Christianity, then don't go to a Christian therapist -but don't remove the ability for others to do so just because you're a bigot. I'm sure decent mentoring doesn't require being a Christian, but it helps. I'd love to see someone open a Quaker-based mentoring institution. :laugh: But just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with that. You do understand that, don't you? You seem intelligent.
What you should be wondering is why Christians celebrate a pagan holiday, masking it as a holiday that's actually celebrating Christ's birth. Seriously. He wasn't even born in winter.
the problem is that our emotion clouds our logic. we do things based on thoughts. so if it feels right, then it must be right even thought it is wrong. we are taught to feel rather then to think or ask question.
so we think it is ok to lie as long as it suit our purpose. people often take advantage of one another by lieing. that's the problem with emotion that are used to justify their cause.
being truthful is the best damn thing that if humans would just not take advantage of one another, we have a perfect world.
I lie too most of the time because everyone does and we think it's right. that's what a sin is, a guilt. it make you hurt inside
so we think it is ok to lie as long as it suit our purpose. people often take advantage of one another by lieing. that's the problem with emotion that are used to justify their cause.
being truthful is the best damn thing that if humans would just not take advantage of one another, we have a perfect world.
I lie too most of the time because everyone does and we think it's right. that's what a sin is, a guilt. it make you hurt inside
It's not really a pagan holiday anymore. It's Christian by name. Of course we could make it easy and change it to Festivous so it doesn't have any Christian ties. "Festivous for the rest of us"
When nations used to conquer other nations (mainly the Romans im talking about here) they would integrate their own rules/laws/beliefs slowly into that new terrotories culture, slowly it would take over and before you knew it you wernt celebrating your pagan winter solstice but the birth of christ instead........(and pagan has nothing to do with devil worship, pagan cultures are actually to do with worshipping nature, the sun, mother-earth etc, most of the devil worship type stuff was done to scare the Romans by tribes like the Durotriges in southern Britain, whereas the western lands and the midlands and north were just people trying to live and be happy)
the idea of Christmas as we all know it is relatively new tho (from the point of human evolution being at an enlightened level), as is the idea of giving presents to each other on it, originally it was simply a religious festival practiced by the religious community who could actually read and write and pray properly.......it wasnt till the half dozen centuries that other people got in on the act....and obviously only very recently that the idea of Santa Claus came around (presumably St Nicholas did truly exist and wasnt just a fable himself).
Anyhow, i dont personally believe in religion and god as what religions (whichever, christianity, muslim, hindu, judaism) make him out to be myself. BUT i have no problem whatsoever with other people believing and living their lives accordingly, we all do our own thing in the short time we are alive so do what makes you happy.
Living in England the government actually is willing to help the various religious groups monetarily to finance various projects, some of those projects i dont agree with, but some i do.
I dont see anything wrong with this, after all, most governments are from originally from Religious groups ruling their nation hundreds/thousands of years ago.. They just got swallowed up by financial greed and became governmental figures wanting money rather than religious zealots wanting power over the people. However those who stayed on their path to religious enlightenment (immams, vicards, priests, rabbi's etc) i think, so long as they dont preaach hatred towards others, are very good people and are simply doing the right thing from what their life defines to them. If they wish to help young and helpless children from straying onto the wrong path i say let them, and providing they inform them in good ways of the other religions rather than just brainwashing them into believing christianity/hindiusm/etc is the correct path and all others are evil then i think its all well and good.
Wow, havnt gotten that into a religious conversation since i used to smoke the 'erb.....lol
(if i worship anything its my Hifi....it brings me joy and happiness, is there when i need it, it surrounds me (home theatre setup...) and warms me up (the amp gets rather hot at high volume...).
(and dont say thats blasphemous or something stupid like that, it does make me happy, it does wash away my woes, it does keep me company and allow me to think clearly and concisely about my future path by relaxing me in a way i respond well to, no different from a religious preacher giving you good advice. 'Cept of course i can upgrade this, bit difficult to tell your Priest you've decided he isnt good enough so your going to see the Bishop from now on ;-)
the idea of Christmas as we all know it is relatively new tho (from the point of human evolution being at an enlightened level), as is the idea of giving presents to each other on it, originally it was simply a religious festival practiced by the religious community who could actually read and write and pray properly.......it wasnt till the half dozen centuries that other people got in on the act....and obviously only very recently that the idea of Santa Claus came around (presumably St Nicholas did truly exist and wasnt just a fable himself).
Anyhow, i dont personally believe in religion and god as what religions (whichever, christianity, muslim, hindu, judaism) make him out to be myself. BUT i have no problem whatsoever with other people believing and living their lives accordingly, we all do our own thing in the short time we are alive so do what makes you happy.
Living in England the government actually is willing to help the various religious groups monetarily to finance various projects, some of those projects i dont agree with, but some i do.
I dont see anything wrong with this, after all, most governments are from originally from Religious groups ruling their nation hundreds/thousands of years ago.. They just got swallowed up by financial greed and became governmental figures wanting money rather than religious zealots wanting power over the people. However those who stayed on their path to religious enlightenment (immams, vicards, priests, rabbi's etc) i think, so long as they dont preaach hatred towards others, are very good people and are simply doing the right thing from what their life defines to them. If they wish to help young and helpless children from straying onto the wrong path i say let them, and providing they inform them in good ways of the other religions rather than just brainwashing them into believing christianity/hindiusm/etc is the correct path and all others are evil then i think its all well and good.
Wow, havnt gotten that into a religious conversation since i used to smoke the 'erb.....lol
(if i worship anything its my Hifi....it brings me joy and happiness, is there when i need it, it surrounds me (home theatre setup...) and warms me up (the amp gets rather hot at high volume...).
(and dont say thats blasphemous or something stupid like that, it does make me happy, it does wash away my woes, it does keep me company and allow me to think clearly and concisely about my future path by relaxing me in a way i respond well to, no different from a religious preacher giving you good advice. 'Cept of course i can upgrade this, bit difficult to tell your Priest you've decided he isnt good enough so your going to see the Bishop from now on ;-)
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