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That's dishonest in itself. People do bad things they think are good without religious cause. The invasion of Iraq is a stellar example and while Bush may think he was anointed there were a great many atheists who were chomping to eliminate the supposed threat of Saddam and rescue the world from terrorism. Didn't work out that way. You don't get to assign values, sorry. Good people can do bad things because they think their leader, their political ideology is superior and therefore they are right. It's indistinguishable from religion in that regard.

As far as "the heart of atheism" there really isn't one. There is no moral core in any sense involved in it. Religion is a motivator. Some of it is good, and some is bad. Atheism is nothing at all, and how can it be otherwise, unless you believe that roaming groups of atheists go around doing good because they are atheists. There is no morality, no good, no evil, nothing at all in it. That doesn't keep anyone from doing good or evil, and they can do as much with their "ologies" as much as others with their religion.

Ultimately one chooses action, or a lack thereof, and there are a whole host of reasons for it, some quite pathetic but hardly unique to any philosophy.

I think athiests and Christians share the same moral codes overall. But i believe we dont need to be taught them, especially as if they only come via religious indoctination, they just come natural as part of being a human. Thus no religion is needed. IMO

If anything religion just took mans natural moral code and used it as a set of rules that have consequences if you dont follow them. Hell and all that jazz.
 
Wow;You really do espouse the left-wing ideals.

Right to choose to a baby in the womb? Whoever dreamed that up;that's some disgusting stuff.Killing babies,Unnatural sex.

I don't hate homosexuals;I have friends that are homosexual.
"Oh,he doesn't support homosexuality,so he must be a bigot"
Ummm,no.

What you're really saying is that Christians should just be quiet and let the others do whatever perversity they want to,and impose their perversity on everyone.That's not going to happen.

Lets all just choose to ignore responding to this guy. Its obvious his indoctrination was strong and he wont be able to rationally discuss the current topic.
 
For atheism to be "non-stamp collecting", how can anything be at the heart of not collecting stamps?

Is there morality to not collecting stamps?
 
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For atheism to be "non-stamp collecting", how can anything be at the heart of not collecting stamps?

Is there morality to not collecting stamps?

Is there Morality in collecting stamps?

What's at the heart of not collecting stamps is, not collecting stamps.
 
I think athiests and Christians share the same moral codes overall. But i believe we dont need to be taught them, especially as if they only come via religious indoctination, they just come natural as part of being a human. Thus no religion is needed. IMO

If anything religion just took mans natural moral code and used it as a set of rules that have consequences if you dont follow them. Hell and all that jazz.

Humans have a sense of mortality, a moral code is taught. You don't want them to ONLY come from religion, but some people get them from their religious upbringing, some get them from non-religious parents. Ultimately, they come from somewhere.

Atheists are indeed moral people, and you don't need religion to be moral -- that entire frame of thinking is flawed. That doesn't mean religion itself isn't needed, as we don't know a world without it, so your fantasies can flourish.
 
He proposes and interesting hypothetical question and this is the reply you come up with? But im going to do with denial. You already know none of them would choose religion and you know youve been brainwashed, but cant accept it.

It's an interesting hypothetical, but no not a chance, not any more than I'd say parents who are atheists could not teach their children their values and ideas/ideals.

Lets take this hypothetical and say that children cannot have interaction with anyone until they are 18 and the only thing they can see, watch or hear is data, images, and music which is carefully devoid of any perspective. When they are 18 they are set loose to make of things what they will.

What a wonderful world that would be. No religion, no politics, no morals, nothing but reading, writing, and 'rithmatic.
 
He proposes and interesting hypothetical question and this is the reply you come up with? But im going to do with denial. You already know none of them would choose religion and you know youve been brainwashed, but cant accept it.

LOL -- I accepted my religion when I was 26, after completely LOSING it.

Antony Flew used to be an atheists, and changed.

His hypothetical was flawed because he assuming adults don't choose religion.

His point is unfounded.
 
Humans have a sense of mortality, a moral code is taught. You don't want them to ONLY come from religion, but some people get them from their religious upbringing, some get them from non-religious parents. Ultimately, they come from somewhere.

They come from an evolution of tribe protection, strength, and survival.

Religion steals it and claims it's responsible for morals and ethics when morals and ethics existed long before religion did.
 
LOL -- I accepted my religion when I was 26, after completely LOSING it.

Antony Flew used to be an atheists, and changed.

His hypothetical was flawed because he assuming adults don't choose religion.

His point is unfounded.

Were you exposed to religion as a child? Or were you an athiest that chose to be religious at 26? Remember were all born athiest 🙂
 
That doesn't mean religion itself isn't needed, as we don't know a world without it, so your fantasies can flourish.

It used to be that we didn't know a world without the notion that it was flat. Everyone believed it, at one point in history.

That doesn't mean that the notion isn't wrong.

That doesn't mean that the notion will be around forever.

The atheist community is growing at a greater rate than it ever has before.

I can't wait until your bogus religion and the two other big bogus monotheistic religions are gone. This world will be fucking awesome.
 
Were you exposed to religion as a child? Or were you an athiest that chose to be religious at 26? Remember were all born athiest 🙂

I was just as good as an atheist, since God never entered my mind. But I was exposed to it as a child, so my example doesn't quite fit...I understand that.

We're born atheist? Babies can have a lack of belief? We aren't born atheists no more than we are born Muslim, or Catholic.
 
The atheist community is growing at a greater rate than it ever has before

Religions recongnize themselves as "communites" too, you know that, right?

Sooner or later, you'll realize that you're nothing but a religion without God, as there are no "non-stamp collectors" communites.

I can't wait until your bogus religion and the two other big bogus monotheistic religions are gone. This world will be fucking awesome.

I'm sure it will.
 
I can't wait until your bogus religion and the two other big bogus monotheistic religions are gone. This world will be fucking awesome.

I'm sure everyone who lived under state atheism in Albania, North Korea and the Soviet Union would agree. Each one a prosperous nation of peace and harmony.
 
Hold on. Who is trying to impose perversity on You?


Oh let's see..The major networks by broadcasting homosexuality on primetime shows.That is not "family entertainment".It's not how families come to be, even.

I guarantee they're scratching their heads,wondering why their ratings plummeted like a rock after they started doing that.
 
Religions recongnize themselves as "communites" too, you know that, right?

Way to completely miss the point, simpleton.

Sooner or later, you'll realize that you're nothing but a religion without God, as there are no "non-stamp collectors" communites.

You are so brainwashed, so close-minded, so SIMPLE minded, that you cannot even fathom the idea that atheism is not a faith or a belief or a religion.[/QUOTE]
 
I was just as good as an atheist, since God never entered my mind. But I was exposed to it as a child, so my example doesn't quite fit...I understand that.

We're born atheist? Babies can have a lack of belief? We aren't born atheists no more than we are born Muslim, or Catholic.

We are not born Muslim or Catholic. We lack belief as children because we do not comprehend the complex idea of philosophy as children. We lack belief. That is the very definition of atheism.
 
I'm sure everyone who lived under state atheism in Albania, North Korea and the Soviet Union would agree. Each one a prosperous nation of peace and harmony.

North Korea is not an atheist state. It's very much a monotheist state (a necrocrisy). They worship their Dear Leader. In their doctrine, in their dogma, from birth, they are taught that the Dear Leader literally is god.

I haven't read much about your other examples, but if they're as poor as the North Korea example, you're only holding a big neon sign above your head that has a big arrow pointing down that says "this guy's an idiot" with such posts.
 
North Korea is not an atheist state. It's very much a monotheist state (a necrocrisy). They worship their Dear Leader. In their doctrine, in their dogma, from birth, they are taught that the Dear Leader literally is god.

I haven't read much about your other examples, but if they're as poor as the North Korea example, you're only holding a big neon sign above your head that has a big arrow pointing down that says "this guy's an idiot" with such posts.
Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea

Traditionally religion in North Korea primarily consisted of Buddhism and Confucianism and Korean shamanism. Since the arrival of Europeans in the 18th century, there is a Christian minority. New religions have arisen during the last century, the most prominent one being Cheondoism, based on traditional shamanism. North Korea is officially an atheist state in which much of the population is nonreligious.[2][3] North Korea sees organized religious activity as a potential challenge to the leadership.[4]
 
We are not born Muslim or Catholic. We lack belief as children because we do not comprehend the complex idea of philosophy as children. We lack belief. That is the very definition of atheism.

We are NOT born atheists, nor agnostic, nor anything, as we cannot reject God as babies, for the exact reason you mentioned.
 
We are NOT born atheists, nor agnostic, nor anything, as we cannot reject God as babies, for the exact reason you mentioned.

So what exactly do you want to call people who simply lack belief? Non-theist? Surely they are not theists, which one would think "atheist" would sufficiently describe.
 
So what exactly do you want to call people who simply lack belief? Non-theist? Surely they are not theists, which one would think "atheist" would sufficiently describe.

They're nothing. You don't have to label children. What do you call a person who lacks belief in unicorns? Aunicornist?

My point exactly. 🙄
 
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