Atheists face death in 13 Muslim countries

[Retro Rob]

What the fuck are you even babbling about?

You haven't the first clue about atheism beyond your ignorant brainwashing agenda-driven dogma.

Ahem:

Well, I was kidding a bit as I know he that's not what he meant.

 

[ThinClient]

Well, I was kidding a bit as I know he that's not what he meant.

But the point about abuse is quite telling. It seems to me as if he wants tell people how to raise their kids, as child abuse is illegal, so essentally, he's advocating criminalizing religion.

That's the hallmark of Stalinism, and you cannot see why I have a problem with that?

Atheism is no more responsible for Stalin's murders as being Russian or being male is responsible for those murders.

This has been debunked countless times and you've read it countless times because YOU have been the moron bringing it up countless times.

You never learn. You are indeed stupid.

 

[Retro Rob]

Atheism is no more responsible for Stalin's murders as being Russian or being male is responsible for those murders.

This has been debunked countless times and you've read it countless times because YOU have been the moron bringing it up countless times.

You never learn. You are indeed stupid.

Ha, Atheism served as an anti-religious movement:

In 1929, the Second Congress changed the society's name to The Union of Belligerent (or Militant) Atheists.[8] At this Second Congress of Atheists, Nikolai Bukharin, the editor of Pravda, called for the extermination of religion "at the tip of the bayonet."[12] There, Yaroslavsky also made the following declaration:

It is our duty to destroy every religious world-concept... If the destruction of ten million human beings, as happened in the last war, should be necessary for the triumph of one definite class, then that must be done and it will be done.[13]
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The Central Council chose Yaroslavsky as its leader; he occupied this post continuously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

 

[Exophase]

Well, I was kidding a bit as I know he that's not what he meant.

But the point about abuse is quite telling. It seems to me as if he wants tell people how to raise their kids, as child abuse is illegal, so essentally, he's advocating criminalizing religion.

That's the hallmark of Stalinism, and you cannot see why I have a problem with that?

If you think that forbidding teaching children about religion is tantamount to banning religion then you seem to be supporting his argument that people won't accept religion as rational adults. A lot of freedoms legally extended to adults aren't afforded to children and for good reason; this wouldn't automatically be equivalent to denying freedom of religion. Not that preventing indoctrination is remotely practical.

I've known some people who went from agnostic or atheist as adults to religious but I agree it's probably not really the norm. I do see hardcore Christians get very scared when they think their ability to heavily indoctrinate their children is threatened. You'd think the truth of the religion could stand on its own a little better without needing manipulation..

As a counterpoint, the soviet union showering children in candy to demonstrate the reliability of the state over religion was every bit as manipulative.

 

[Retro Rob]

If you think that forbidding teaching children about religion is tantamount to banning religion then you seem to be supporting his argument that people won't accept religion as rational adults.

You'd have to prove religion is harmful. With all the Christian charities and hospitals out there....well...let's just say enjoy your wet dream.

 

[ThinClient]

Ha, Atheism served as an anti-religious movement:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

I don't see Stalin mentioned anywhere in that quote.

Furthermore, your own article undermines your entire point.

The debate on how to best exterminate religion was argued among the Soviet leadership, until in the late 1920s and early 1930s, when it was resolved by Stalin who condemned the extremes of both sides, and Yaroslavsky followed suit.

Do you even READ the bullshit you sling as "evidence" for your retarded reasoning?

 

[ThinClient]

If you think that forbidding teaching children about religion is tantamount to banning religion then you seem to be supporting his argument that people won't accept religion as rational adults. A lot of freedoms legally extended to adults aren't afforded to children and for good reason; this wouldn't automatically be equivalent to denying freedom of religion. Not that preventing indoctrination is remotely practical.

I've known some people who went from agnostic or atheist as adults to religious but I agree it's probably not really the norm. I do see hardcore Christians get very scared when they think their ability to heavily indoctrinate their children is threatened. You'd think the truth of the religion could stand on its own a little better without needing manipulation..

As a counterpoint, the soviet union showering children in candy to demonstrate the reliability of the state over religion was every bit as manipulative.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't see Stalin mentioned anywhere in that quote.

Furthermore, your own article undermines your entire point.



Do you even READ the bullshit you sling as "evidence" for your retarded reasoning?

I was pointing out that atheism has been proven to be more than a "lack of belief", it's been proven a genocidal religion, as my link pointedly showed, and I quote: "if the destruction of ten million human beings....should be necessary".

One atheist is smart, a group of them are maniacs.

 

[Nebor]

You'd have to prove religion is harmful. With all the Christian charities and hospitals out there....well...let's just say enjoy your wet dream.

Abortion clinic bombings, strife in the middle east AND I bet that the overwhelming majority of people imprisoned for violent crimes in the United States are Christian. Can we start the ban now? :twisted:

 

[ThinClient]

I was pointing out that atheism has been proven to be more than a "lack of belief", it's been proven a genocidal religion, as my link pointedly showed, and I quote: "if the destruction of ten million human beings....should be necessary".

One atheist is smart, a group of them are maniacs.

Atheism is no more a religion than not-going-to-the-fair is a past time.

Why do you continue making the same stupid points in each new thread that you made in previous threads and were destroyed there, too?

 

[Nebor]

I was pointing out that atheism has been proven to be more than a "lack of belief", it's been proven a genocidal religion, as my link pointedly showed, and I quote: "if the destruction of ten million human beings....should be necessary".

One atheist is smart, a group of them are maniacs.

It's the only real solution, since banning the indoctrination of youth would never fly. Religion is a threat to the stability and advancement of the world, and always will be as long as it's allowed to exist.

One christian is a maniac, a group of them is an inquisition, the dark ages, and the Salem witch trials.

 

[Exophase]

You'd have to prove religion is harmful. With all the Christian charities and hospitals out there....well...let's just say enjoy your wet dream.

Yeah, my "wet dream" indeed. I've admitted too that religion can lead to positive effects. But if there was no religion would there be fewer charities and hospitals? Can you be assured of that? Maybe if you lost your faith now you'd lose your morality too, but if you never had any faith would you never care about other people?

I mean, I don't really know, there probably really are people who need religion to do good things. There are probably people who need the promise of a reward in heaven to try to be good or at least not do certain bad things.

But in what universe does indicating positive effect prove that no harm is being done either? People hating gays and trying to prevent them from having relationships is harmful. People pushing science out of the classroom is harmful. Suppressing women's rights is harmful. But you're not going to get the very people pushing this to see that.

 

[ThinClient]

You'd have to prove religion is harmful. With all the Christian charities and hospitals out there....well...let's just say enjoy your wet dream.

Did you really just challenge someone to provide evidence that religion is harmful? :awe:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Did you really just challenge someone to provide evidence that religion is harmful? :awe:

Some religions and aspects of them are harmful. On the other hand some are not and indeed have done great good, and in fact my mother benefited materially by such kindness.

Regardless there have been people who are atheists who went about slaughtering people because they were religious, and the reverse is true. Too many come to power who feel entitled to eliminate those who do not conform to their way of thinking and that's been the sad truth throughout all of human existence.

 

[ThinClient]

Some religions and aspects of them are harmful. On the other hand some are not and indeed have done great good, and in fact my mother benefited materially by such kindness.

Regardless there have been people who are atheists who went about slaughtering people because they were religious, and the reverse is true. Too many come to power who feel entitled to eliminate those who do not conform to their way of thinking and that's been the sad truth throughout all of human existence.

True. It's especially sad when a specific religion, written clearly in its own holy text, demands the deaths of non-believers and the deaths of everyone in the city if even one person does not believe, yet we have to sit here listening to the ignorant ramblings of the naive youth of said religion claiming that their religion is a religion of love and peace and acceptance.

 

[sandorski]

You were abused as a child. Still harboring a grudge 27 years later.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

True. It's especially sad when a specific religion, written clearly in its own holy text, demands the deaths of non-believers and the deaths of everyone in the city if even one person does not believe, yet we have to sit here listening to the ignorant ramblings of the naive youth of said religion claiming that their religion is a religion of love and peace and acceptance.

So who are the Mennonites supposed to kill? Where were you when my mother's home and a good part of her town were destroyed by tornadoes? When did Jesus say to slay the tax collectors and prostitutes?

Large numbers of Mennonites went about rebuilding homes and communities for the costs of materials and living expenses and they do this because they see it as an expression of compassion their religion requires. Having met them and seeing you and others here I'll take them any day and sorry I don't have a fear of having my throat slit because you insist on them doing things they have no inclination, nor have any directive to do. The parable of the Good Samaritan must drive you mad, because there is no fault in it.

 

[schmuckley]

Because I have never seen this happening.

I tell people all the time that God doesn't exist.

Hell, I have even tried to convert believers into atheists, in public.

Got a few stares but never felt scared for my life.

That's because they believe in God and are taught to love their fellow man;no matter what.

 

[sandorski]

That's because they believe in God and are taught to love their fellow man;no matter what.

It's because you live in a nation with core laws and rights that were founded upon the 10 commandments.

What Right is in the 10 Commandents?

 

[schmuckley]

What rights have the atheists and Muslims stripped away in the US?
Or your country for that matter?
inf1nity lives in India,or says he does;so that point is moot.

 

[ThinClient]

So who are the Mennonites supposed to kill? Where were you when my mother's home and a good part of her town were destroyed by tornadoes? When did Jesus say to slay the tax collectors and prostitutes?

Large numbers of Mennonites went about rebuilding homes and communities for the costs of materials and living expenses and they do this because they see it as an expression of compassion their religion requires. Having met them and seeing you and others here I'll take them any day and sorry I don't have a fear of having my throat slit because you insist on them doing things they have no inclination, nor have any directive to do. The parable of the Good Samaritan must drive you mad, because there is no fault in it.

No fault and also no religion, either, which is cool. You can pull that out of context, apply zero religion to it, and you have what is essentially at the heart of atheism.

Your other questions are just stupid and you know it. Would you like to try again without being intentionally intellectually dishonest?

Not all religiotards are bad, just stupid and irrational. "With or without religion, good men do good things and bad men do bad things. For good men to do bad things, that takes religion."

 

[ThinClient]

That's because they believe in God and are taught to love their fellow man;no matter what.

love their fellow man, but inject themselves into their lives and tell them how to live and judge them and be hateful bigots and interfere when things happen like a woman's right to choose or two gay men want to get married because THEY love each other

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"With or without religion, good men do good things and bad men do bad things. For good men to do bad things, that takes religion."

That's dishonest in itself. People do bad things they think are good without religious cause. The invasion of Iraq is a stellar example and while Bush may think he was anointed there were a great many atheists who were chomping to eliminate the supposed threat of Saddam and rescue the world from terrorism. Didn't work out that way. You don't get to assign values, sorry. Good people can do bad things because they think their leader, their political ideology is superior and therefore they are right. It's indistinguishable from religion in that regard.

As far as "the heart of atheism" there really isn't one. There is no moral core in any sense involved in it. Religion is a motivator. Some of it is good, and some is bad. Atheism is nothing at all, and how can it be otherwise, unless you believe that roaming groups of atheists go around doing good because they are atheists. There is no morality, no good, no evil, nothing at all in it. That doesn't keep anyone from doing good or evil, and they can do as much with their "ologies" as much as others with their religion.

Ultimately one chooses action, or a lack thereof, and there are a whole host of reasons for it, some quite pathetic but hardly unique to any philosophy.

 

[soulcougher73]

I think anyone under 16 years of age that's taken to a church should be considered abused. They're fed a pack of lies designed to enslave them for their entire lives before they're able to understand what happens to them.

I'd pose this question to all the pro-religion people in this thread: If the law said that no one was allowed to enter a place of worship, or be taught religious beliefs of any sort until they were 18 years old, what percentage of people do you think would adopt a religion as an adult, and what religion do you think they would adopt? If it's easier to work with, imagine it's done experimentally with a group of 100 kids, in a monitored environment where the no-religion rules are flawlessly enforced.

..and you wonder why an atheist would never win a Presidential Election.

He proposes and interesting hypothetical question and this is the reply you come up with? But im going to do with denial. You already know none of them would choose religion and you know youve been brainwashed, but cant accept it.

 

[schmuckley]

love their fellow man, but inject themselves into their lives and tell them how to live and judge them and be hateful bigots and interfere when things happen like a woman's right to choose or two gay men want to get married because THEY love each other

Wow;You really do espouse the left-wing ideals.

Right to choose to a baby in the womb? Whoever dreamed that up;that's some disgusting stuff.Killing babies,Unnatural sex.

I don't hate homosexuals;I have friends that are homosexual.
"Oh,he doesn't support homosexuality,so he must be a bigot"
Ummm,no.

What you're really saying is that Christians should just be quiet and let the others do whatever perversity they want to,and impose their perversity on everyone.That's not going to happen.