Atheists Call 9-11 Memorial Cross "Grossly Offensive"

[Darwin333]

Well there's the problem right there, you're generalizing. Sure, I think the beliefs of Christianity and other religions are silly, but for the most part they aren't harmful. SOME people make them harmful. Most Christians are just people. While I do know quite a few atheists/agnostics, the huge majority of people I know are still Christian. And like maybe 2 of those people ever let their religious beliefs override common sense or scientific facts. Attacking people for believing in something fixes nothing, it just makes you look like a dick. How about you attempt being inclusive instead of abrasive? You might find you can convince people of what really matters. For example, instead of yelling at someone for believing in a god, work with them to ensure that belief doesn't extend to hating homosexuals or not accepting evolution?

Very valid points.

To be honest with you, when I first lost blind faith in god you would have never known it. Its not that I was ashamed I just didn't see a reason to talk about it. A while later came the big push to get creationism taught in the classroom and thats when I entered the debate.

I don't really go looking to start a debate at all. Now, just like then, you probably wouldn't know that I don't believe in god. With that said, when someone brings up the subject I am more than happy to debate it. At this point I enjoy the debate more than anything else, I know full well that I won't change anyones mind today nor is that why I debate it. I simply enjoy the debate.

Although it does start getting old after a while when one side or the other starts going to the absolute absurd like Buck and his rock/definition bs that he has been on for pages...

 

[Darwin333]

No deal. The facts are exactly as I state them. Talk to Buckshot about what he posted, I didn't and don't agree with it.

Why would I talk to him about backing up claims that you made?

And I didn't think you would be willing to back them up. Not to worry though bud, most of the people on your side do the same.

 

[Darwin333]

There is a difference, but atheists are not just sitting and passively setting up websites and such and waiting for people to read their information.

Can we at least agree that for the most part the above is exactly what the vast majority of atheists do?

I've seen FFRO billboards, new atheists best-selling books on shelves in book stores, youtube vids....this isn't a "sitting by" and allowing you to come and find their information -- far from it, especially with the link I shared earlier encouraging you all to "share" your non-belief.

Other than the billboard and the FFRO (whom I had absolutely no clue about until you informed me) the rest quite literally ARE "waiting for you to seek it". Books do not make you read them, you must have the desire to read it first. Youtube videos don't make you click them and almost all of the time you have to search for them or a similar video to even find it. Forum threads need to be clicked, etc, etc.... In other words, you must actively obtain the information instead of passively like when some asshole with a megaphone on Bourbon St carrying a cross starts screaming about Jesus and how fags are going to burn for eternity. I don't have a choice but to listen to that nonsense. A youtube video I can shut off, a link I can close, a book I can throw away, etc.... Now there might be a few atheist assholes who do the entire megaphone thing but I can get you dozens upon dozens of different videos taken on different days of often different people/groups doing the entire "gospel via megaphone in public" thing, if you can personally record a single atheist doing the same I would be very impressed. If you could record two different atheists doing it on two separate occasions I would be truly floored.

If you think what you have to say, as an atheist, is important and true, then you're supposed to share it....and many of you are doing so. Sure, you're not knocking on my door, but that isn't the only way to spread your non-belief.

Why would my lack of belief be "important and true"? Furthermore, I don't believe it is actually true (the guy in the clouds), I simply don't have nearly enough evidence to believe in something so outlandish. I don't spread the message about unicorns not existing either, why in the hell would I waste my time doing that?

If other atheists wish to write books or make youtube videos, good for them. I personally don't see the point (other than pointing out impossible stuff backed with actual science like the biblical flood) nor do I have a "message" to spread about my lack of belief. If anything the only message I have is "be groovy to your fellow man and try not to be an asshole". There, I have spread my message, go in peace my friend.

 

[buckshot24]

The only thing that is absurd is your line of reasoning. Everyone else understands that rocks can not be atheists because they can not choose to lack faith.

I'm not the one using a ridiculous definition for atheism. The definition that you are an atheist simply because you "lack faith in God" is absurd. I know rocks can't be atheists, that is the point!

Its actually a rather good definition. Just about everyone on the planet has a good understanding of it, except for you evidently.

What was that logical fallacy you've accused me of using?

There is no point in even considering a rock because it doesn't have the ability to have faith at all, why in hell would you even relate a term that would never apply in the first place?

To show the absurdity of the "lack belief in God" definition of atheism.

Actually its perfectly accurate but for the sake of humor what would you think is a better term?

As I've said before I think the definition that John has laid out for us where one must "reject belief in God". This is far more accurate.

Oh I most definitely am.

Me too.

 

[buckshot24]

I posted the same thing yesterday a page back. I just love the attitude of Christians like you guys. Call it what you will...it's still Christians whining.

I haven't changed my stance. Preaching, witnessing, whatever. What's good for the goose (btw, posted that yesterday as well).

I don't think I've complained about this so "like you guys" should be retracted.

 

[ThinClient]

I'm not the one using a ridiculous definition for atheism. The definition that you are an atheist simply because you "lack faith in God" is absurd. I know rocks can't be atheists, that is the point!
What was that logical fallacy you've accused me of using?
To show the absurdity of the "lack belief in God" definition of atheism.
As I've said before I think the definition that John has laid out for us where one must "reject belief in God". This is far more accurate.
Me too.

I lack belief in god because I have rejected the positive claim because it lacks evidence, dumbass. It's not the belief I'm rejecting. I'm rejecting the claim that god exists and that the bible is anything more than fairy tales. Because I reject those falsehoods, I come to the conclusion that believing in god is irrational.

 

[buckshot24]

Although it does start getting old after a while when one side or the other starts going to the absolute absurd like Buck and his rock/definition bs that he has been on for pages...

Let me try to explain to you in another way. If you proposed a definition or even if a definition already existed that birds are things with wings then one would do the following to show it is an inadequate definition.

Bats have wings but is not a bird.
The Sub-Mariner (from marvel) has wings but is not a bird.
Wasps have wings but is not a bird.
My Grandfather's 56 Chevy had wings but was not a bird.
Etc. etc. etc.

What you are in effect doing is saying that "everybody knows a car can't be a bird". The definition is fine. No, the definition is not fine if you define a bird to be something with wings.

So we propose another definition.

Birds are animals that have wings. Well that gets rid of the Sub-Mariner and the car but bats aren't and cannot be birds so you continue.

 

[ThinClient]

Oh look, more retarded analogies in a desperate attempt to reach for hairs to split.

 

[ThinClient]

Hilarious, because his analogies paint him dumber and dumber each time :awe: (and I know he's still reading my posts LOL)

 

[buckshot24]

Youtube videos don't make you click them and almost all of the time you have to search for them or a similar video to even find it.

Lots of atheist morons go around down voting theist videos and comment crap their videos. Youtube is an absolute cesspool where atheists go out of their way to "preach" to the viewers of Christian videos. That doesn't apply to all of them obviously.

 

[ThinClient]

Lots of atheist morons go around down voting theist videos and comment crap their videos. Youtube is an absolute cesspool where atheists go out of their way to "preach" to the viewers of Christian videos. That doesn't apply to all of them obviously.

It's a valid tactic. If you don't want logic and reason thrown back into your theist face, then you should disable the comments when you post a video.

 

[monovillage]

Why would I talk to him about backing up claims that you made?

And I didn't think you would be willing to back them up. Not to worry though bud, most of the people on your side do the same.

Posted by Darwin333: So according to Buckshot rocks have a belief system? You guys are getting even wackier everyday.

That's why. You asked me to respond to a claim he made.

 

[buckshot24]

That's why. You asked me to respond to a claim he made.

How can you disagree with me?()

 

[ThinClient]

How can you disagree with me?()

It's remarkably easy