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Atheist files suit to remove "In God we trust" from money....

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LMAO,
Okay, more "ownage" of HumblePie

Here, let me give you a good reading list to start with
the bible, all testaments including those funny mormon ones
the toran
St. Augustine
St Constantine
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Humble, you took theology for 4 years, hmmm? Would you mind telling us what the "toran' is?
Do you mean the Koran? Or the Torah?

That, and you're "mom converted to Jewish."

Yeahhhhhh, you took 4 years of theology.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
LMAO,
Okay, more "ownage" of HumblePie

Here, let me give you a good reading list to start with
the bible, all testaments including those funny mormon ones
the toran
St. Augustine
St Constantine
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Humble, you took theology for 4 years, hmmm? Would you mind telling us what the "toran' is?
Do you mean the Koran? Or the Torah?

That, and you're "mom converted to Jewish."

Yeahhhhhh, you took 4 years of theology.
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shens on humblepie taking ANY theology course.

"read the bible and all the testiments".... all two of them?
for some reason, something tells me that it the dude picked up the torah OR the koran (or the "toran"), they'd get the strange feeling they've read it before.... hm...
 
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Michael Newdow commented that he also plans to remove God from Churches. "We are supposed to have separation of church and state, and clearly any mention of God while in a public building such as a Church goes against the very foundation this nation was built upon."
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LMAO

 
Since we are a democracy, why can't we have a amendment to the constitution? Can't we makeup a resolution or something to stop these nuts from doing this nonsense. Are we of the whole. where the majority rules? Enact the law of this land that we take out and shoot these people as a threat to national security.
I bet these people will go to Canada or places elsewhere.
 
Atheism is reatarded anyway. Saying god doesn't exist is like saying aliens don't exist. We just don't know. I'm a die-hard skeptic when it comes to religions. When I get proof that God, or Allah, or Vishnu, or some pagen animal spirit is the true god, THEN I will worship appropriately.
Until that happens, I will not denounce or worship god or his supposed existance.
 
Originally posted by: scottish144
Atheism is reatarded anyway. Saying god doesn't exist is like saying aliens don't exist. We just don't know. I'm a die-hard skeptic when it comes to religions. When I get proof that God, or Allah, or Vishnu, or some pagen animal spirit is the true god, THEN I will worship appropriately.
Until that happens, I will not denounce or worship god or his supposed existance.
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The principle of "the antichrist" (and the idea of getting everyone to worship it instead of God) depends on that mentality. But skepticism is good, so long as you actually seek some answers yourself, not just wait for them to be presented to you. Odds are high that any presented material is skewed to lure you towards something and/or away from something else.

Make your own decision, but make it an educated one.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: VERTIGGO
Well the dollar is getting old... but I also think it's silly how people take traditions like that so offensively. I mean we celebrate halloween still, but traditionally, halloween is pretty disgusting. Traditionally, almost all of the men who founded our nation attributed it's success to God, and the "separation of church and state" was not "established" then, it's a notion that people came up with afterwards, who deny they themselves have any sort of "religion". But ultimately, everyone has something that fills "religion" in their lives, and it's going to influence their actions in government, and printing money. If more Americans dislike seeing "in God we trust" then it probably be changed, because it would be a national lie!

However, I feel sorry for those people on days like 9/11
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Honestly, where do you people learn American History?

The founding father's were Deists...meaning that they believe that any higher being had no influence on earthly events.
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I dont lean either way on this discussion. I do think this newdow guy is a quack, however, you are wrong. Alost all of our founding fathers were christians. Like I said, Im not leaning either way, but the fact is you have been misinformed.
 
Saying God doesn't exist is as absolute a statement as saying he/('she' for the FN's out there) does.

Absolutism is a 'religion' whether your an Athiest, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Buddhist, Racist, Nazi, etc. etc.

There is such a thing as a Fundamentalist Liberal. Republicans don't have a corner on the label and to think so, well would be Absolutism. Pot and Kettle talk.

Masses that think they know beyond doubt are dangerous fools.

I'm an agnostic, just a few good hunches 🙂.
 
Originally posted by: bluemax
Originally posted by: scottish144
Atheism is reatarded anyway. Saying god doesn't exist is like saying aliens don't exist. We just don't know. I'm a die-hard skeptic when it comes to religions. When I get proof that God, or Allah, or Vishnu, or some pagen animal spirit is the true god, THEN I will worship appropriately.
Until that happens, I will not denounce or worship god or his supposed existance.
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The principle of "the antichrist" (and the idea of getting everyone to worship it instead of God) depends on that mentality. But skepticism is good, so long as you actually seek some answers yourself, not just wait for them to be presented to you. Odds are high that any presented material is skewed to lure you towards something and/or away from something else.

Make your own decision, but make it an educated one.
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Well said. He offers the truth to those who seek it.
 
Originally posted by: FDF12389
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: VERTIGGO
Well the dollar is getting old... but I also think it's silly how people take traditions like that so offensively. I mean we celebrate halloween still, but traditionally, halloween is pretty disgusting. Traditionally, almost all of the men who founded our nation attributed it's success to God, and the "separation of church and state" was not "established" then, it's a notion that people came up with afterwards, who deny they themselves have any sort of "religion". But ultimately, everyone has something that fills "religion" in their lives, and it's going to influence their actions in government, and printing money. If more Americans dislike seeing "in God we trust" then it probably be changed, because it would be a national lie!

However, I feel sorry for those people on days like 9/11
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Honestly, where do you people learn American History?

The founding father's were Deists...meaning that they believe that any higher being had no influence on earthly events.
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I dont lean either way on this discussion. I do think this newdow guy is a quack, however, you are wrong. Alost all of our founding fathers were christians. Like I said, Im not leaning either way, but the fact is you have been misinformed.
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I agree the guy is crazy, but I agree that some of these public brandings of God should be removed.

As for the Framers, give me proof. Documents in History show otherwise: The major founding father's were Deists.

Or you could argue that they were a certain type of Christian (exceptions, but generally true). Yes, there were many protestants, but the biggest founding fathers were deists. So to say that almost all is a falacy because nearly all of the most important founding father's were not strictly Christian by today's definition.

From Benjamin Franklin's Autobiography:

. . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.
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Lighthouses are more helpful than churches
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Thomas Jefferson was so strongly against any integration of church and state:

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose.
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Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
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Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear
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Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself
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Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law.
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Treaty of Tripoli, signed by John Adams:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
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George Washington:

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]
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Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deists
 
Originally posted by: YYZ2112
Saying God doesn't exist is as absolute a statement as saying he/('she' for the FN's out there) does.

Absolutism is a 'religion' whether your an Athiest, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Buddhist, Racist, Nazi, etc. etc.

There is such a thing as a Fundamentalist Liberal. Republicans don't have a corner on the label and to think so, well would be Absolutism. Pot and Kettle talk.

Masses that think they know beyond doubt are dangerous fools.

I'm an agnostic, just a few good hunches 🙂.
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Just FYI, anyone who thinks Athiesm is an absolute needs to read more wikipedia. We went over this earlier in the thread. Athiesm includes not only those that believe the burden of prooving a god exists lies on the religion themselves but also those that simply want no part of religion. There is a difference.
 
Originally posted by: pkme2
Since we are a democracy, why can't we have a amendment to the constitution? Can't we makeup a resolution or something to stop these nuts from doing this nonsense. Are we of the whole. where the majority rules? Enact the law of this land that we take out and shoot these people as a threat to national security.
I bet these people will go to Canada or places elsewhere.
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Wow. So you don't understand the Constitution, and believe in freedom only for those who agree with you.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: pkme2
Since we are a democracy, why can't we have a amendment to the constitution? Can't we makeup a resolution or something to stop these nuts from doing this nonsense. Are we of the whole. where the majority rules? Enact the law of this land that we take out and shoot these people as a threat to national security.
I bet these people will go to Canada or places elsewhere.
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Wow. So you don't understand the Constitution, and believe in freedom only for those who agree with you.
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Agreed. Anyone that thinks we operate on majority rule doesn't understand US law.
 
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches"

I beleive he said that because the church building itself has no saving power, its just a building for worship and congregation. You can do both those things anywhere, whereas a Lighthouse saved lives and had to be in its exact location.


BTW, links on the internet dont mean anything, I could give you just as many links saying the founding fathers were religious. From my many studies I had previously concluded that there were religious. Now I will go do some more research, looking specificly for an answer. However I am almost sure I am already right. I will be back after I have furthered my knowledge.
 
Originally posted by: FDF12389
BTW, links on the internet dont mean anything, I could give you just as many links saying the founding fathers were religious. From my many studies I had previously concluded that there were religious. Now I will go do some more research, looking specificly for an answer. However I am almost sure I am already right. I will be back after I have furthered my knowledge.
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Indeed they were religious. But they were not the ideal Christians that reconstructionists want to believe.

Go grab Franklin's autobiography. Or look at the Treaty of Tripoli. Or look at Jefferson's various writings. These were not born on the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_religious_affiliations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Reason
 
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
i support this man wholly.. he is right for what he is doing.
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Yeah and Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Basically, what I am saying is that we, as a country, have bigger issues to deal with. We don't have time for such bullsh!t as crying over a phrase we put on coins/money and the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: BW86
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Continuity28
I'm atheist... and I couldn't give a damn about that expression on currency. It probably costs too much to change it, I say leave it.

This guy probably just wants publicity. 😛
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i was wondering... do atheists ever say, "oh my god" or "goddammit"?
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What about when they are having sex? Do they say, "Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in, Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in,Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in,Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in"
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rofl :laugh:
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LMAO
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Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in.... :roll: heh
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Whether you agree or disagree about "In God We Trust" on money or having "God" mentioned in the pledge, Michael Newdow is an absolute loon who only does his side of the debate a disservice.
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I think he is a rare hero
 
I personally think the the guy has not thought everything out before he made the claims that he did/does make. He is an intelligent man, in some regards, but not in others. As are most of us. But the fact remains that this nation was founded on Freedom and as such he has every right to make the case he has and use everything available to him.

I am a christian and I believe that a true christian does not need the phrase to be on the money or a building. It is something that we believe and we do for ourselves. I couldn't care less what this guy has on his adgenda. It was said pretty well by a friend of mine, a christian,
"I do not have the physical proof of what will happen when we die, but I do not want to be wrong on judgement day. Standing there before God thinking, bummer I was wrong."
 
Originally posted by: daveborg98
I personally think the the guy has not thought everything out before he made the claims that he did/does make. He is an intelligent man, in some regards, but not in others. As are most of us. But the fact remains that this nation was founded on Freedom and as such he has every right to make the case he has and use everything available to him.

I am a christian and I believe that a true christian does not need the phrase to be on the money or a building. It is something that we believe and we do for ourselves. I couldn't care less what this guy has on his adgenda. It was said pretty well by a friend of mine, a christian,
"I do not have the physical proof of what will happen when we die, but I do not want to be wrong on judgement day. Standing there before God thinking, bummer I was wrong."
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Four words: Pascal's Wager is foolish.
 
Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: BW86
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Continuity28
I'm atheist... and I couldn't give a damn about that expression on currency. It probably costs too much to change it, I say leave it.

This guy probably just wants publicity. 😛
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i was wondering... do atheists ever say, "oh my god" or "goddammit"?
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What about when they are having sex? Do they say, "Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in, Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in,Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in,Oh person-who-I-don't-believe-in"
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rofl :laugh:
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LMAO
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Well being an Atheist gives you alot of flexibility. You can use God, or you can substitute it with other fictional characters. For instance, sometimes my wife likes to use the phrase, "Oh Jesus" with me. 🙂
 
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