Atheism in a year

Gurck

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One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities. For the past ten millenia or so religion has been the central focus of most cultures, and yet we haven't a shred of evidence supporting anything supernatural (though evidence does support certain mundane things such as Jesus having existed). Interestingly, roughly ten millenia ago also marks the beginning of widespread agriculture; a far different way of life for us than our hunter-gatherer ancestors had lived previously.

The obvious question is why people would believe in the existence of their god(s) of choice, given the complete lack of supporting evidence. If we hypothesize that it's been passed down, why do those passing it down believe in it?

Like all living organisms, we compete for limited resources. Cooperating for mutual benefit requires a leap of faith; there's no guarantee that giving up something currently will lead to greater future rewards. This is the basis of society though; modern humans give up free time and direct control over many aspects of their lives in order to reap the greater benefits of living in a society. Look back to agriculture and you see a similarity; a farmer sacrifices hunting/gathering for the growing season to instead maintain his crop & help it to grow, reaping greater overall benefit, not to mention the next ~6 months off, or at least with less hunting & gathering to do, more time to ponder & place more importance on his existence, perhaps make up stories about it?

This is the tip of the iceberg, of course, I'd write more but I'd rather discuss it if it comes up and tbh I'd probably have closed the window without having posted anything within 30 seconds if I didn't somehow manage to click post :|

Thoughts? Flames from the hypocrites who hate this but are fine with christian dogma being spewed in OT? :D
 

BeauJangles

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Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.

Right. So why can't we just let everyone believe what they want? I'm not saying I do or don't believe in God, but let's just let everyone have their own beliefs if they help them live a better life.
 

Mo0o

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You're trolling way harder in this post than Stark ever did in his
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.

Right. So why can't we just let everyone believe what they want? I'm not saying I do or don't believe in God, but let's just let everyone have their own beliefs if they help them live a better life.

Not all beliefs help people live better lives. Obviously the OP is having issues with his.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you?
Those who don't believe in it are stigmatized by it.
Why try to convince people God doesn't exist?
Am I really? I'm just stating factual information, if it points toward a certain conclusion am I really to blame? At any rate, why is this not ok while someone making a post solely in order to quote the bible to us is ok?
Originally posted by: malak
He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.
So essentially your argument is that religion beats depresson/boredom?

The alternative perspective is that we should live our lives to their fullest instead of, as is the stereotype of religious folk, sitting around pointing our fingers at others, never once enjoying ourselves, in the hopes of greater enjoyment in an afterlife which likely doesn't exist.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.
I don't know, spending eternity with Fund A Mental Cases would seem even more depressing. Which denomination will get to go to Heavan and which ones won't? Will Mormons make it, how about Catholics or JW's? I wouldn't mind spending eternity with Methodist or Lutherans, they seem ok and not so annoying.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities. For the past ten millenia or so religion has been the central focus of most cultures, and yet we haven't a shred of evidence supporting anything supernatural (though evidence does support certain mundane things such as Jesus having existed). Interestingly, roughly ten millenia ago also marks the beginning of widespread agriculture; a far different way of life for us than our hunter-gatherer ancestors had lived previously.

The obvious question is why people would believe in the existence of their god(s) of choice, given the complete lack of supporting evidence. If we hypothesize that it's been passed down, why do those passing it down believe in it?

Like all living organisms, we compete for limited resources. Cooperating for mutual benefit requires a leap of faith; there's no guarantee that giving up something currently will lead to greater future rewards. This is the basis of society though; modern humans give up free time and direct control over many aspects of their lives in order to reap the greater benefits of living in a society. Look back to agriculture and you see a similarity; a farmer sacrifices hunting/gathering for the growing season to instead maintain his crop & help it to grow, reaping greater overall benefit, not to mention the next ~6 months off, or at least with less hunting & gathering to do, more time to ponder & place more importance on his existence, perhaps make up stories about it?

This is the tip of the iceberg, of course, I'd write more but I'd rather discuss it if it comes up and tbh I'd probably have closed the window without having posted anything within 30 seconds if I didn't somehow manage to click post :|

Thoughts? Flames from the hypocrites who hate this but are fine with christian dogma being spewed in OT? :D

Well your thesis lacks any evidence to support it. In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer.

The biggest issue with people like yourself is you never look for the evidence so assume it doesn't exist.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you?
Those who don't believe in it are stigmatized by it.
Why try to convince people God doesn't exist?
Am I really? I'm just stating factual information, if it points toward a certain conclusion am I really to blame? At any rate, why is this not ok while someone making a post solely in order to quote the bible to us is ok?

You don't have any facts at all, simply ignorance. Your lack of understand, lack of study, and lack of any real experience leaves you less than a student, and clearly not in any position to make any statements.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't know, spending eternity with Fund A Mental Cases would seem even more depressing. Which denomination will get to go to Heavan and which ones won't? Will Mormons make it, how about Catholics or JW's? I wouldn't mind spending eternity with Methodist or Lutherans, they seem ok and not so annoying.

You are absolutely right. Don't believe in any denomination, none of them will get you into heaven.
 

BeauJangles

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Gurck - my statements weren't meant at you. i wasn't saying YOU were attacking religion. I was more making a general statement about the sentiments here on AT.

Sorry that you misinterpreted what i said.
 

Joemonkey

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Gurck
One of the biggest problems facing religion's credibility is the complete lack of evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities. For the past ten millenia or so religion has been the central focus of most cultures, and yet we haven't a shred of evidence supporting anything supernatural (though evidence does support certain mundane things such as Jesus having existed). Interestingly, roughly ten millenia ago also marks the beginning of widespread agriculture; a far different way of life for us than our hunter-gatherer ancestors had lived previously.

The obvious question is why people would believe in the existence of their god(s) of choice, given the complete lack of supporting evidence. If we hypothesize that it's been passed down, why do those passing it down believe in it?

Like all living organisms, we compete for limited resources. Cooperating for mutual benefit requires a leap of faith; there's no guarantee that giving up something currently will lead to greater future rewards. This is the basis of society though; modern humans give up free time and direct control over many aspects of their lives in order to reap the greater benefits of living in a society. Look back to agriculture and you see a similarity; a farmer sacrifices hunting/gathering for the growing season to instead maintain his crop & help it to grow, reaping greater overall benefit, not to mention the next ~6 months off, or at least with less hunting & gathering to do, more time to ponder & place more importance on his existence, perhaps make up stories about it?

This is the tip of the iceberg, of course, I'd write more but I'd rather discuss it if it comes up and tbh I'd probably have closed the window without having posted anything within 30 seconds if I didn't somehow manage to click post :|

Thoughts? Flames from the hypocrites who hate this but are fine with christian dogma being spewed in OT? :D

Well your thesis lacks any evidence to support it. In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer.

The biggest issue with people like yourself is you never look for the evidence so assume it doesn't exist.

If someone doesn't believe in a god, and they "pretend" to pray, is that part of the brain still activated? What if they pray to their recliner? is that brain section activated then?

I'm sure theres a part of the brain that is activated only through doing long division too...
 

CRXican

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[/quote]

Well your thesis lacks any evidence to support it. In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer.

The biggest issue with people like yourself is you never look for the evidence so assume it doesn't exist.[/quote]
You've gotta be joking. LOL only activated thorugh prayer
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't know, spending eternity with Fund A Mental Cases would seem even more depressing. Which denomination will get to go to Heavan and which ones won't? Will Mormons make it, how about Catholics or JW's? I wouldn't mind spending eternity with Methodist or Lutherans, they seem ok and not so annoying.

You are absolutely right. Don't believe in any denomination, none of them will get you into heaven.
Yeayh bit Baptist feel different. WHat makes you right and them wrong?
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: CRXican

Well your thesis lacks any evidence to support it. In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer.

The biggest issue with people like yourself is you never look for the evidence so assume it doesn't exist.[/quote]
You've gotta be joking. LOL only activated thorugh prayer[/quote]

It's true. They did a study on it.

Obviously people who don't want to believe in a supernatural being won't believe in any evidence that supports it. So it's a moot exercise.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.
You know what's more depressing to me? Trying my entire life to convince myself that there's something more when every fiber of my body tells me that there's absolutely no proof that something else exists. Or worse yet, actually convincing myself only to come back to reality at the last moment and realize I've wasted the time I've had by praying to a guy that - if he does exist - is far too powerful to care if I pray to him and thank him every day.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't know, spending eternity with Fund A Mental Cases would seem even more depressing. Which denomination will get to go to Heavan and which ones won't? Will Mormons make it, how about Catholics or JW's? I wouldn't mind spending eternity with Methodist or Lutherans, they seem ok and not so annoying.

You are absolutely right. Don't believe in any denomination, none of them will get you into heaven.
Yeayh bit Baptist feel different. WHat makes you right and them wrong?

It's quite the paradox. They believe in the bible, but the bible is against denominations.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.
You know what's more depressing to me? Trying my entire life to convince myself that there's something more when every fiber of my body tells me that there's absolutely no proof that something else exists. Or worse yet, actually convincing myself only to come back to reality at the last moment and realize I've wasted the time I've had.

Well, I have more proof that God exists than that you exist.
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: malak
It's quite the paradox. They believe in the bible, but the bible is against denominations.
WTF? Stop posting gibberish and conspiracy theories.